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bobcatsquared
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  Message Not Read  Bobcat dunks
   Posted: 3/1/2024 6:58:51 PM 
Wiz, Clayton, Hadaway, Hunter

Off the top of my head, Ohio players that have dunked this year. Am I missing any? AJB earlier in the season? James had a breakaway Tuesday night and Shareef tonight, and neither attempted a dunk, instead finishing with a lay-in. Wouldn't be surprised if Sheldon can but don't recall one in game.
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   Posted: 3/1/2024 7:33:20 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Wiz, Clayton, Hadaway, Hunter

Off the top of my head, Ohio players that have dunked this year. Am I missing any? AJB earlier in the season? James had a breakaway Tuesday night and Shareef tonight, and neither attempted a dunk, instead finishing with a lay-in. Wouldn't be surprised if Sheldon can but don't recall one in game.


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   Posted: 3/1/2024 7:54:30 PM 
Don't disagree. But I do wonder if EJ4, Shareef and Sheldon can dunk. I assume Ike can but don't think I've witnessed one.

And on this topic: who is OUr leader in # of dunks this year? AJ or Hadaway? Who shows more flash on their dunks? I have to go with Hadaway.
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   Posted: 3/1/2024 9:26:00 PM 
I'll care about dunks when they're worth more than 2 pts. Put the ball in the hole.
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   Posted: 3/1/2024 9:27:40 PM 
You're gonna think this is so on-brand of me, squared.

I thought about posting this here before, but didn't because IMO it goes past Rothstein-level nerdy. But since you asked and considering there's a guy on Davidson's board that does the same thing...

Going back to about the 2010-2011 season I've been keeping track of our dunks each year. Who's dunking, what kind of dunks, did any get on Sportscenter, etc? Why? Because dunks are fun. And they can indicate a few things, like how well we run our offense, how many opportunities we create in transition, and the level of athlete we recruit. For the past few years I've been putting these on Google Sheets, but when I started, it was pen to paper.

To answer your question, Clayton leads this year's team in dunks with 21. Hadaway has 19. Wiz has 11. Hunter has three. AJB has two.

I didn't think this would be a great dunk year, but it actually is one of our best since I started paying attention to Ohio basketball in the 2005 season. It's rare that we average more than two dunks a game but we are right there.

Hadaway's first dunk of the season came against Defiance. Oddly enough that game was the first game without AJB for good, so it stands that if Hadaway were playing as much as he is now at the beginning of the year, he would be the team's leader by a chunk.

Sheldon and EJ4 have dunks on their high school tapes. I don't know if Reef can dunk.

Best dunk game of the year was Defiance. We had seven. Seven seems to be our high water mark in a single game. I can't recall an eight dunk game. We've had seven against other non-D1s, but also had seven at Buffalo in 2019 and at Marshall in 2017. Both of those games were losses.

Most dunks in a game this year by one player is Clayton vs Buffalo with four. And all of them were alley oops. Most dunks in a game by one player in my time as a fan goes to Jon Smith throwing down six times at Akron in 2014.

Most dunks in a season by the team? Unofficially, the 2011 team. Devaughn had close to 50 on his own. The 2014 team might give that a run with Jon and Mo doing most of the work.

Most dunks in a game by an opponent. Unofficially, probably Kansas at the Sprint Center in 2007. Come on, that team won the natty. Though Youngstown State put eight on us this year.

And a bonus, since borna mentioned. Walt had one dunk in his career, but it was a good one - a two hand and-1 poster at home vs Oakland.

Sometimes I wonder how I'm not single.

Last Edited: 3/1/2024 9:55:50 PM by shabamon
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Andrew Ruck
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   Posted: 3/2/2024 12:02:39 AM 
NERD ALERT!

I love it. Good data. Sheldon can absolutely throw down as illustrated in warm-ups. Hope to see one in a game soon.

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   Posted: 3/2/2024 4:15:39 AM 
Wow. I just learned a lot. Not the least of which is that a dunk is only worth 2 points.

A treasure trove of data on the subject. Thanks, shabamon.

Last Edited: 3/2/2024 4:16:00 AM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 3/2/2024 10:04:45 AM 
shabamon wrote:
You're gonna think this is so on-brand of me, squared.

I thought about posting this here before, but didn't because IMO it goes past Rothstein-level nerdy. But since you asked and considering there's a guy on Davidson's board that does the same thing...

Going back to about the 2010-2011 season I've been keeping track of our dunks each year. Who's dunking, what kind of dunks, did any get on Sportscenter, etc? Why? Because dunks are fun. And they can indicate a few things, like how well we run our offense, how many opportunities we create in transition, and the level of athlete we recruit. For the past few years I've been putting these on Google Sheets, but when I started, it was pen to paper.

To answer your question, Clayton leads this year's team in dunks with 21. Hadaway has 19. Wiz has 11. Hunter has three. AJB has two.

I didn't think this would be a great dunk year, but it actually is one of our best since I started paying attention to Ohio basketball in the 2005 season. It's rare that we average more than two dunks a game but we are right there.

Hadaway's first dunk of the season came against Defiance. Oddly enough that game was the first game without AJB for good, so it stands that if Hadaway were playing as much as he is now at the beginning of the year, he would be the team's leader by a chunk.

Sheldon and EJ4 have dunks on their high school tapes. I don't know if Reef can dunk.

Best dunk game of the year was Defiance. We had seven. Seven seems to be our high water mark in a single game. I can't recall an eight dunk game. We've had seven against other non-D1s, but also had seven at Buffalo in 2019 and at Marshall in 2017. Both of those games were losses.

Most dunks in a game this year by one player is Clayton vs Buffalo with four. And all of them were alley oops. Most dunks in a game by one player in my time as a fan goes to Jon Smith throwing down six times at Akron in 2014.

Most dunks in a season by the team? Unofficially, the 2011 team. Devaughn had close to 50 on his own. The 2014 team might give that a run with Jon and Mo doing most of the work.

Most dunks in a game by an opponent. Unofficially, probably Kansas at the Sprint Center in 2007. Come on, that team won the natty. Though Youngstown State put eight on us this year.

And a bonus, since borna mentioned. Walt had one dunk in his career, but it was a good one - a two hand and-1 poster at home vs Oakland.

Sometimes I wonder how I'm not single.


Fantastic post.

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   Posted: 3/2/2024 10:07:23 AM 
Great stuff, it doesn't come as a surprise Devaughn Washington had close to 50 in a season. Most were thrown down with authority.

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   Posted: 3/2/2024 10:17:37 AM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Wow. I just learned a lot. Not the least of which is that a dunk is only worth 2 points.


What about a dunk starting from beyond the 3 point line?

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   Posted: 3/2/2024 10:35:14 AM 
I’ll add there are times when an aggressive two-handed dunk will result in two points and a trip to the line (2-3 points), whereas a similarly a non-aggressive shot in the paint will result in no basket and two free throw attempts (0-2 points).
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   Posted: 3/4/2024 12:01:24 PM 
You want more? I got more.

Most individual dunkers in a season. Last year, 19-20, and the 16-17 seasons each saw eight different players get a throw down. Fewest individual dunkers in a season was 08-09 with three. Washington and Tillman did most of them, but Steven Coleman got a couple. Most individual dunkers in a game goes to Kent State on Dad's weekend 200. Leon, J Fears, Troutman, Mychal Green, and Bridgewater each got one. Bill Walton in the house as a guest speaker at Mem Aud later that night. Fun day.

Twice in my time have walk-ons thrown down. Jarrell Reeves vs Marshall in 2018 and Jaylin McDonald alley oop against WMU in 2017.

Surprising guys who never got one? KVK. Yeah he was a bit of a stiff, but at 6-10 and for how much he played, you'd think he'd luck into one. Asown Sayles never got one either. We were talking about how freaking high he could jump after his first exhibition game, but he never cracked the rotation in his first two years. Then he had an injury that took a whole season and he wasn't the same. Missed a wide open breakaway vs Middle Tennessee early in the 09-10 season and that was it.
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   Posted: 3/4/2024 2:49:09 PM 
KVK was not a stiff. Solid contributor.
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   Posted: 3/4/2024 6:47:25 PM 
SBH wrote:
KVK was not a stiff. Solid contributor.


I remember people treating him like Whiz, moaning everyday. Fact is, you are correct, he got better and was a solid contributor when it was all said and done.
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   Posted: 3/4/2024 7:16:25 PM 
Great info, shabamon.

While KVK has to be in the running for the tallest Bobcat never to dunk, who would be the shortest Bobcat to throw down?
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   Posted: 3/4/2024 10:29:13 PM 
Hunter at 6'0" is the shortest I have.

Jaaron Simmons, Jay Kinney, and Allen Hester (what ever happened to that guy???) are next at 6'1".

KVK was an unathletic dude who could eat space and give starting bigs a breather and occasionally had a solid dirty work game his first three years. By year four he transformed his body and was a much more consistent shooter and rebounder, but the guy still needed a running start to dunk.

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   Posted: 3/4/2024 11:55:49 PM 
# PUT SAYLES IN!
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 10:38:31 AM 
Now THIS is what a deep dive really is. What a thorough and informative set of posts. Thanks for this. I will now be watching Bobcat games with a little different lens, watching to see who dunks. Now we need your rating system for the best dunks.
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 12:04:26 PM 
6'0" will be the shortest player to record a dunk because we've traditionally never listed a player under 6 feet on our roster (even if he were only 5'10") in the era of dunking.

Doubt Chad Estis or Gus Johnson ever dunked -- they were each about 6-0.

Spindle Graves was listed as 6'1", but I find that questionable.

I would prefer the HEAVIEST player to dunk. That opens it up a bit more, with John Beauford probably having a slight edge over the Baby Bull Vic Alexander.
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 12:15:43 PM 
Tony Campbell was listed around 280 his freshman year and had a few. How big were the other guys.
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 3:09:47 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Now THIS is what a deep dive really is. What a thorough and informative set of posts. Thanks for this. I will now be watching Bobcat games with a little different lens, watching to see who dunks. Now we need your rating system for the best dunks.


I do have a rating system! On a 1-5 scale:

1) These are dunks that either are so soft they get no reaction from the crowd or you wonder if they actually are even dunks. Maybe they didn't go in cleanly or the player didn't put any sauce on it at all. Clayton had an alley oop this year that should have been an offensive goaltending. Hadaway had one against Central where the ball really pinballed a ton before going in. These are 1s.

2) These are most dunks. Uncontested. Nice and easy. Hadaway's breakaway vs Bowling Green just now. That's a 2.

3) These have a little something extra going for them and might get special mention on this board. Maybe it was contested. Maybe it was extra aesthetically pleasing. Maybe it was a huge moment in the game. Clayton's alley oop against Akron. Mo's alley oop vs UMass. BVP's up and under against Kent in the MAC Tournament.

4) These get on Sportscenter and may have their own dedicated threads on this board. Hadaway's reverse poster against Davidson, Preston's tip slam against WMU, Doug Taylor and-1 alley oop at Ball State, Jerome's posters at Maryland.

5) Shhh. These are legends of the entire sport. If you make a highlight video of the greatest college dunks of all time, this wouldn't be out of place. Melvin Levett's helicopter put pack at UC, "Send it in Jerome!", Danny Green on Greg Paulus. In my time, I don't think we've had a 5.
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 3:21:30 PM 
shabamon wrote:
I don't think we've had a 5.


Gary Trent following Geno Ford on a break after Geno lobbed the ball up off the glass then Trent power hammered it down....the Convo crowd Exploded!



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   Posted: 3/5/2024 3:42:58 PM 
Somehow I knew you had them rated.

The showboating breakaway dunk contest like dunks are fun, but they don't impress as much as the ones that are just really really good basketball plays. Preston's putback dunk in 2020 might be my favorite. That was when I realized he wasn't just a nice passing point guard, he was a beast.

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   Posted: 3/5/2024 7:35:10 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
shabamon wrote:
I don't think we've had a 5.


Gary Trent following Geno Ford on a break after Geno lobbed the ball up off the glass then Trent power hammered it down....the Convo crowd Exploded!




Speaking of off the backboard.
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   Posted: 3/5/2024 8:01:17 PM 
shabamon wrote:
RSBobcat wrote:
shabamon wrote:
I don't think we've had a 5.


Gary Trent following Geno Ford on a break after Geno lobbed the ball up off the glass then Trent power hammered it down....the Convo crowd Exploded!




Speaking of off the backboard.


And it was not just breakaway showboating. Geno had a defender right behind him ready to block his layup - and Geno made a Great basketball play!

Sometimes dunks Are worth more than 2 points - when they get the Convo rockin' and can turn game momentum!

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