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When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. GraffZ06 wrote: Sure you have to get more creative for it to make sense for non-local entities but that brings CBus, Cleveland, Cincy, Chicago etc all into play. Not sure on recent alumni demographics but maybe even Philly or NJ as we used to have a lot of east coast students from there. Doesn't the vast majority of money have basically nothing to do with businesses at all? I thought that, at this point, it's basically just individual donor money going into collectives. Am I wrong about that? Yup....big money boosters and alums fund collectives or a large portion of it. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,452 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 7:51:48 PM  FearLeon wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Alan Swank wrote: If we're dependent on NIL funds, I'm not sure we will ever compete with the "urban centered" schools in the MAC. When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. GraffZ06 wrote: Sure you have to get more creative for it to make sense for non-local entities but that brings CBus, Cleveland, Cincy, Chicago etc all into play. Not sure on recent alumni demographics but maybe even Philly or NJ as we used to have a lot of east coast students from there. Doesn't the vast majority of money have basically nothing to do with businesses at all? I thought that, at this point, it's basically just individual donor money going into collectives. Am I wrong about that? Yup....big money boosters and alums fund collectives or a large portion of it. Yeah, that's what I thought. Ultimately, that's a good thing for us. Means the market's less relevant. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,987 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 7:54:18 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: It was lack of NIL funds. How is that a "mistake"? If we're dependent on NIL funds, I'm not sure we will ever compete with the "urban centered" schools in the MAC. When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. Backing this discussion up at the top the best NIL deals go to 5 star skill players signing with top schools already with 1 million social media followers. Role players that are signing with top schools often don't have any social media presence and NIL money to go with it. What it says to me is NIL valuation has to be developed. Top programs in basketball are now not only subject to 1 and done concerns but also transferring in upper classmen which leaves more quality underclassmen to find their way to a mid major. The pitch at a job like Ohio need to be the staff will develop NIL value then as an upperclassmen the can go to Alabama like Sears did. The offer of playing time looms more imporant since the driver is big NIL money. Players can get 20k here, 20k there on an endorsement but the lotto ticket is becoming all conference in a power conference. NIL expectations are tied to conferences. I don't anticipate Akron or EMU if you can call themselves an urban school having an edge. Sponsorships are regional rather than local. A player can also walk into the MAC with their own NIL deals. Rules around direct university support are changing and those with better finances are going to be able to stay in the game. Its worth noting Akron and EMU do not have large enrollments or endowments given their location in population centers. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,987 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 8:05:44 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Alan Swank wrote: If we're dependent on NIL funds, I'm not sure we will ever compete with the "urban centered" schools in the MAC. When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. GraffZ06 wrote: Sure you have to get more creative for it to make sense for non-local entities but that brings CBus, Cleveland, Cincy, Chicago etc all into play. Not sure on recent alumni demographics but maybe even Philly or NJ as we used to have a lot of east coast students from there. Doesn't the vast majority of money have basically nothing to do with businesses at all? I thought that, at this point, it's basically just individual donor money going into collectives. Am I wrong about that? Individual money in a collective is more where Ohio is and its different than a business sponsorship. Business sponsorships require appearance fees. The question then is how many sponsorship appearances can one guy service when they are requiring 20 appearances a piece? When I'm looking at the databases I'm seeing players with maybe 3. Thus if you are a player with a lot of value you don't have the bandwidth for the smaller paying NIL deals. That creates a second tier market for the 3 star players. We know that recruiting wasn't as much of an exact science in the 70s as it is today. NIL for the mid-major in 2024 is still an experiment. Rules are still evolving and universites may pay direct as employees. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,987 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 8:12:53 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: FearLeon wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Alan Swank wrote: If we're dependent on NIL funds, I'm not sure we will ever compete with the "urban centered" schools in the MAC. When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. GraffZ06 wrote: Sure you have to get more creative for it to make sense for non-local entities but that brings CBus, Cleveland, Cincy, Chicago etc all into play. Not sure on recent alumni demographics but maybe even Philly or NJ as we used to have a lot of east coast students from there. Doesn't the vast majority of money have basically nothing to do with businesses at all? I thought that, at this point, it's basically just individual donor money going into collectives. Am I wrong about that? Yup....big money boosters and alums fund collectives or a large portion of it. Yeah, that's what I thought. Ultimately, that's a good thing for us. Means the market's less relevant. If the players are walking into OU with their sponsorships the university community may not even be relevant. NIL is more complex than fundraising for facilities which is helped tremendously when you have a local Fortune 500 employer that can step in. Its not a benefactor giving 50 million its often marketing deal for a player. Donor collectives are going to take a backseat to university compensation at mid majors it this is where it ends up. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,112 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 8:17:46 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: GraffZ06 wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: It was lack of NIL funds. How is that a "mistake"? Better figure out a way to raise more "funds" going forward, or the results aren't going to change. We need impact big men bad. Pony up, put your concern into action and help out mailto:mailto:mailto:INFO@1804SPORTCOLLECTIVE.COM https://1804sportcollective.com/#popup-menu-anchor Already have but I assure you the dent I can make is peanuts to what we need. Have to find the donors and businesses with 5 or more zeros. That's Boals and athletics job. Not mine. This is a bit disingenuous. Boals cannot create money and sources where they don’t exist. Look at this board. These are some of the most committed fans. If we/they are not ponying up money, it’s hard to imagine where it comes from. Boals can do all he wants, but if we aren’t willing to open the wallets to big money, it doesn’t matter how hard he sells a recruit. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,987 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 8:39:41 PM  Kevin Finnegan wrote: GraffZ06 wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: GraffZ06 wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: It was lack of NIL funds. How is that a "mistake"? Better figure out a way to raise more "funds" going forward, or the results aren't going to change. We need impact big men bad. Pony up, put your concern into action and help out mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:mailto:INFO@1804SPORTCOLLECTIVE.COM https://1804sportcollective.com/#popup-menu-anchor Already have but I assure you the dent I can make is peanuts to what we need. Have to find the donors and businesses with 5 or more zeros. That's Boals and athletics job. Not mine. This is a bit disingenuous. Boals cannot create money and sources where they don’t exist. Look at this board. These are some of the most committed fans. If we/they are not ponying up money, it’s hard to imagine where it comes from. Boals can do all he wants, but if we aren’t willing to open the wallets to big money, it doesn’t matter how hard he sells a recruit. Recruits at our level are not getting the big money anyways. 1804 could try to pay 2 million to a player but he will still play at a blueblood basketball school. Further its not an approach the university should be encouraging when that donation could go to something more valuable than athletics. The answer for the mid major is having the university pick up the tab since there is no realism to be able to get 10 millon a year off of donors at the mid major level. Last Edited: 3/17/2024 8:40:09 PM by TWT Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,395 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/17/2024 11:50:24 PM  sigh "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,036 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/18/2024 10:25:01 AM  JSF wrote: sigh At least you tried. Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/18/2024 3:09:52 PM  Campus Flow wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Alan Swank wrote: If we're dependent on NIL funds, I'm not sure we will ever compete with the "urban centered" schools in the MAC. When your largest local private employer is Quidel (a medical company), those bucks are hard to come by. GraffZ06 wrote: Sure you have to get more creative for it to make sense for non-local entities but that brings CBus, Cleveland, Cincy, Chicago etc all into play. Not sure on recent alumni demographics but maybe even Philly or NJ as we used to have a lot of east coast students from there. Doesn't the vast majority of money have basically nothing to do with businesses at all? I thought that, at this point, it's basically just individual donor money going into collectives. Am I wrong about that? Individual money in a collective is more where Ohio is and its different than a business sponsorship. Business sponsorships require appearance fees. The question then is how many sponsorship appearances can one guy service when they are requiring 20 appearances a piece? When I'm looking at the databases I'm seeing players with maybe 3. Thus if you are a player with a lot of value you don't have the bandwidth for the smaller paying NIL deals. That creates a second tier market for the 3 star players. We know that recruiting wasn't as much of an exact science in the 70s as it is today. NIL for the mid-major in 2024 is still an experiment. Rules are still evolving and universites may pay direct as employees. Just curious if anyone knows........ For the companies that do sponsor Ohio Athletics with logos around the Convo or say Par Mar Stores with the media backdrop-what's the going rate for some of these opportunities? What all is being offered to a sponsor in exchange for cash? I would guess there are different tiers? A Google search didn't offer up anything definitive. Ohio-The State University Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,203 Status: Offline     RE: Still Love Our Bobcats    Posted: 3/18/2024 3:29:39 PM  Is Labatt Blue allowed to pony up for NIL? I was paying $8 per can of their product at the Hardwood whatever it's called over there before games. It's good beer imho but out of that 8 bucks, some of it could benefit the reason people are actually in the building. 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