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Topic:  Foreigners the key to recruiting?
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 11:36:57 AM 
After watching the CMU BigMANZ last night, I can't help but wonder if overseas recruiting isn't the answer to our woes in finding a good big dude. As I understand it foreign students here on student visas are not eligible for NIL funds, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that several places on the interwebs. So, if true, we'd be on a more even playing field if we did a little overseas recruiting.

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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 12:41:29 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
After watching the CMU BigMANZ last night, I can't help but wonder if overseas recruiting isn't the answer to our woes in finding a good big dude. As I understand it foreign students here on student visas are not eligible for NIL funds, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read that several places on the interwebs. So, if true, we'd be on a more even playing field if we did a little overseas recruiting.


It wont be long before the NIL causes the ncaa to consider international students as employees and therefor need an H-1B visa.

And then flood gates.
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FJC31
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 2:05:49 PM 
I think turning over every rock is the key to recruiting these days.

There’s talent to fill holes and immediate/future needs at every level.
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 3:13:36 PM 
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.

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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 3:42:12 PM 
Without context this also could have been interpreted as taking money from a foreign benefactor ala LIV Golf.
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 7:49:00 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 7:51:55 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!


Foreigners? Check your calendar - it's 2025!
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/19/2025 11:58:59 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!


Foreigners? Check your calendar - it's 2025!



I purposely used the word "foreigner" because it is accurate. When I'm in another country I refer to myself as a foreigner in that country. "International student" is just another euphemism. Apparently, you need to look at the calendar, this is the year many euphemisms are being laid to rest. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to send this thread to Siberia.

Last Edited: 2/20/2025 12:00:09 AM by OhioCatFan

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JSF
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/20/2025 12:04:42 AM 
Gotta make sure they come from a country without tariffs.

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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/20/2025 11:15:44 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!


Foreigners? Check your calendar - it's 2025!



I purposely used the word "foreigner" because it is accurate. When I'm in another country I refer to myself as a foreigner in that country. "International student" is just another euphemism. Apparently, you need to look at the calendar, this is the year many euphemisms are being laid to rest. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to send this thread to Siberia.


You don't need to explain it, just ignore this nonsense.

Andrew Ruck
B.B.A. 2003

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/20/2025 5:52:31 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!


Foreigners? Check your calendar - it's 2025!



I purposely used the word "foreigner" because it is accurate. When I'm in another country I refer to myself as a foreigner in that country. "International student" is just another euphemism. Apparently, you need to look at the calendar, this is the year many euphemisms are being laid to rest. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to send this thread to Siberia.


You don't need to explain it, just ignore this nonsense.


The term that's been used in sports for quite some time is international. Foreign is just a tad antiquated and that statement has nothing to do with political correctness.

I found this little tidbit from 8 years ago.

“Foreign” is an acceptable word when used to describe policies, but referring to a person as “foreign” or a “foreigner” leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Think about it: would you like to be called foreign? Anyone called by that term is automatically labeled as “other” – someone that doesn't belong.

Last Edited: 2/20/2025 5:54:44 PM by Alan Swank
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/20/2025 10:08:17 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I thought this message was going to highlight that our student section is only impressive (and therefore a recruiting tool) when we have a large group of visiting foreigners in it.


That too!


Foreigners? Check your calendar - it's 2025!



I purposely used the word "foreigner" because it is accurate. When I'm in another country I refer to myself as a foreigner in that country. "International student" is just another euphemism. Apparently, you need to look at the calendar, this is the year many euphemisms are being laid to rest. I'd give some examples, but I don't want to send this thread to Siberia.


You don't need to explain it, just ignore this nonsense.


The term that's been used in sports for quite some time is international. Foreign is just a tad antiquated and that statement has nothing to do with political correctness.

I found this little tidbit from 8 years ago.

“Foreign” is an acceptable word when used to describe policies, but referring to a person as “foreign” or a “foreigner” leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Think about it: would you like to be called foreign? Anyone called by that term is automatically labeled as “other” – someone that doesn't belong.



Yep, I don't mind at all being called a foreigner, when I am one. In England they called me a foreigner. In Germany they called me a foreigner. In Iceland, since I'm half Icelandic, and have an Icelandic middle name, I was only a quasi-foreigner! ;-) Don't mind being called a foreigner at all. This is the same nonsense that lead to using terms like "people with diabetes" instead of "diabetic" and many other such absurdities. And, now the Cleveland Clinic on its website when discussing prostate disease talks about "people with penises" instead of using the term "men." When you go down this road of using euphemisms as replacements for clear, declarative language, there appears to be no end to the ridiculousness you will start to embrace.

This reminds me of a column that my late Uncle Björn Björnson wrote for years in the Minnesota Newspaper Association's newsletter entitled, "Syntax, Semantics and Such." One of these columns that I remember well described his limp due to childhood polio and went on to decry the modern obsession with euphemisms like "mobility impaired," etc., and then concluded that the word "lame" would be an adequate description of both him and his condition.

Foreigner doesn't mean you "don't belong." It means you are a guest in someone else's country, assuming you have the proper passport, visa, etc. Guests should be honored and treated with respect, but their rights and responsibilities are not the same as citizens of that country. Which, strangely, gets us back to the purpose of this thread -- to discuss whether or not the differing rights of foreign students versus citizen students in terms of NIL eligibility might be something OHIO could take advantage of in recruiting, especially trying to land that elusive coordinated BigManz.

Last Edited: 2/20/2025 11:58:26 PM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/20/2025 11:48:02 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:

“Foreign” is an acceptable word when used to describe policies, but referring to a person as “foreign” or a “foreigner” leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Think about it: would you like to be called foreign? Anyone called by that term is automatically labeled as “other” – someone that doesn't belong.


Stares blankly....

It's literally the definition of the word foreign.

Words have meanings. Using them properly is not hateful.

Maybe we need a dictionary safe space.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 2/21/2025 7:45:45 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:


Maybe we need a dictionary safe space.


This is exactly why I'm so glad the government is now enforcing a list of forbidden words in scientific research funded by the government. It's great when the government devotes time to trying to define which words are harmful to others and punishes their use.

Last Edited: 2/21/2025 7:51:11 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 2/21/2025 8:28:53 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:


Maybe we need a dictionary safe space.


This is exactly why I'm so glad the government is now enforcing a list of forbidden words in scientific research funded by the government. It's great when the government devotes time to trying to define which words are harmful to others and punishes their use.


Yes, basic common sense phrases like "climate change."

Oops, I said it. By the way, I moved to Dubuque Iowa. I'm NOT in Ohio.

(maybe I won't get thrown into a gulag in Gitmo now?)
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/21/2025 8:41:10 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
The term that's been used in sports for quite some time is international. Foreign is just a tad antiquated and that statement has nothing to do with political correctness.

I found this little tidbit from 8 years ago.

“Foreign” is an acceptable word when used to describe policies, but referring to a person as “foreign” or a “foreigner” leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Think about it: would you like to be called foreign? Anyone called by that term is automatically labeled as “other” – someone that doesn't belong.


Wow thank you so much for your wisdom.

Andrew Ruck
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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/21/2025 9:46:32 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Without context this also could have been interpreted as taking money from a foreign benefactor ala LIV Golf.



Aramco Arena has a nice ring to it.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/21/2025 10:52:44 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The term that's been used in sports for quite some time is international. Foreign is just a tad antiquated and that statement has nothing to do with political correctness.

I found this little tidbit from 8 years ago.

“Foreign” is an acceptable word when used to describe policies, but referring to a person as “foreign” or a “foreigner” leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Think about it: would you like to be called foreign? Anyone called by that term is automatically labeled as “other” – someone that doesn't belong.


Wow thank you so much for your wisdom.


Any time. I'd be more than happy to give some advice for coaching your youth team too.

Seriously though, words and sayings have changed over time because of their perceived meaning. When I was in elementary school, kids that today are in special ed and may or may not have IEPs were referred to as slow learners. In fact, the phrase was still in use when I was teaching in the 80s. Similarly, my high school's nickname was the Orientals and has been changed to the Dragons.. I'm not talking about some of the extreme absurdity of today that OCF has correctly referred to, but some widely used terms such as international in the world of sports is more appropriate today and more widely accepted than foreigners.
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JimLurker34
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/21/2025 11:24:14 AM 
One of the better examples I've ever seen on BA of thread drift.

Getting back on topic, I do think that OCF has a point. Does anyone know the countries where OU has exchange programs or things of that nature? As I recall there's some special relationship with the Chubu Institute in Japan. Looking into these relationships might be a place to start.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Foreigners the key to recruiting?
   Posted: 2/21/2025 3:14:54 PM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
One of the better examples I've ever seen on BA of thread drift.

Getting back on topic, I do think that OCF has a point. Does anyone know the countries where OU has exchange programs or things of that nature? As I recall there's some special relationship with the Chubu Institute in Japan. Looking into these relationships might be a place to start.


You should have been around prior to Pearl Harbor Day 2023. We wandered all over the globe and even to some foreign countries with our threads back then.
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