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Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 7:11:25 PM  My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 9:42:04 PM  It gets worse. At tonight's game an armed OU police officer was stationed in the tunnel that leads from the Rohr Room to the Convo seating area less than 10 feet from Dr. and Mrs. McDavis. That is truly sad. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 9:43:13 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! cbus - you can drop the labels any time you'd like. Calling people names does nothing for your credibility. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 10:13:46 PM  Come on Alan quit inventing straw men, it is a very short post and I didn't call anyone names. Vent your anger at the guilty party not me! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,798 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 10:17:06 PM  You use "liberal" like it's a bad term or a dirty word. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 10:55:16 PM  In the classical sense "liberal education or liberal democracy" it is not a bad term. However, liberalism with regard to classical Big Government--Social Democracy--Marxism it is a bad term. Ever wonder why Poland is one of Europe's most conservative nation states when it once was Socialist? Look at how Argentina and Brazil are turning away from Latin American Socialism and becoming more conservative. Ever wonder why many African immigrants are so conservative? I have met more than few Ugandans and Ethiopians in Columbus who are vocally conservative with little use for liberal Big Government. Last Edited: 2/7/2017 10:57:13 PM by cbus cat fan Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,408 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 11:44:14 PM  lib·er·al ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit adjective 1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. "they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people" 2. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training. con·serv·a·tive kənˈsərvədiv/ adjective 1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. noun 1. a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics. What do exorcising rights to free speech and freedom to peaceably assemble have to do with "Big Government", "Socialism", etc.? RS Bobcat Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 11:48:57 PM  Alan Swank wrote: It gets worse. At tonight's game an armed OU police officer was stationed in the tunnel that leads from the Rohr Room to the Convo seating area less than 10 feet from Dr. and Mrs. McDavis. That is truly sad. That was incredibly sad for him to go out that way. Regardless of your politics, it's a shame that the protests get violent. There's no place for that on either side of the aisle. I'll just leave this here though...if Hillary won, you better believe there would be barely any violent protests, destruction of property, etc. I just don't see it happening. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/7/2017 11:50:51 PM  RSBobcat wrote: lib·er·al ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit adjective 1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. "they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people" 2. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training. con·serv·a·tive kənˈsərvədiv/ adjective 1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. noun 1. a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics. What do exorcising rights to free speech and freedom to peaceably assemble have to do with "Big Government", "Socialism", etc.? Connotation vs. Denotation, my friend. Those may be the "dictionary" definitions, but in practice they conjure up different meanings. Liberal has become synonymous with the Democratic Party, which generally favors bigger government and socialist-leaning policies. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:03:42 AM  catfan28 wrote: RSBobcat wrote: lib·er·al ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit adjective 1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. "they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people" 2. (of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training. con·serv·a·tive kənˈsərvədiv/ adjective 1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. noun 1. a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics. What do exorcising rights to free speech and freedom to peaceably assemble have to do with "Big Government", "Socialism", etc.? Connotation vs. Denotation, my friend. Those may be the "dictionary" definitions, but in practice they conjure up different meanings. Liberal has become synonymous with the Democratic Party, which generally favors bigger government and socialist-leaning policies. How sad that you..and some of your colleagues here...are so stuck on labels that you can't get any farther, can't/won't deal with facts and reality and their likely consequences and how to proceed from those facts and consequences. A closed mind is a sad thing. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,164 Status: Online     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:37:44 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: A closed mind is a sad thing. Pot meet kettle. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 1:13:12 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: How sad that you..and some of your colleagues here...are so stuck on labels that you can't get any farther, can't/won't deal with facts and reality and their likely consequences and how to proceed from those facts and consequences. A closed mind is a sad thing. Do you disagree with that connotation? Liberal = Support for Socialist Policies and Big Government. Some people support that. I don't. But we're allowed to disagree. However, to deny that is the connotation is naive. "Facts" are so arbitrary. We have no idea what's true most of the time. Personally, I don't believe anything I hear in the media. You have to make up your own mind as to what's true. All of these "leaks" about Trump are ridiculous. Do you really think he's walking around in a bathrobe yelling at the TV? Even some of my more liberal-leaning friends have started to laugh at the coverage. The media (and liberal politicians) are jumping the shark. It won't be long until they are completely discredited...and I, for one, look forward to it. Republican Supermajority in 2018. That's the safest bet in Vegas. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 6:46:33 AM  There must be some negative connotation associated with the identifying your agenda as "liberal",at least in political circles. I notice that,for the past few years,people like Mayor Diblasio in NYC,Chuckie Schumer,Elizabeth Warren and even Mrs. Clinton,no longer identify themselves as "liberals". They now call themselves "progressives". Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 8:26:16 AM  cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! I believe these protests, and the boorish behavior of the students and faculty involved, are producing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:12:13 AM  cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! What the heck does this even have to do with liberals and conservatives? Just because someone protests they are automatically liberal? Do you forget the existence of the Tea Party? I'm proudly liberal, in the dictionary definition sense, but I have high regard for President McDavis (himself also liberal in the dictionary sense of the word). These protesters don't represent "liberals" and the situation is completely unrelated to left/right politics. Why do you always try to make things political? BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,164 Status: Online     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:14:51 AM  Ohio69 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! I believe these protests, and the boorish behavior of the students and faculty involved, are producing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve. +1 On a national scale we have the protest for protest sake crowd. I was particularly taken with the now infamous fill-in-blank protest signs against the Supreme Court nominee. I keep wondering when they are going to realize that the average Joe and Jill voter are repulsed by this behavior; one can hope that it's not until after the 2018 mid-term elections. ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:36:19 AM  Alan Swank wrote: This one is kind of sad. http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2017/02/presidential... The article wasn't exactly clear. What exactly was the planned protest against president McDavis about ? Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,472 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:39:36 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio69 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! I believe these protests, and the boorish behavior of the students and faculty involved, are producing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve. +1 On a national scale we have the protest for protest sake crowd. I was particularly taken with the now infamous fill-in-blank protest signs against the Supreme Court nominee. I keep wondering when they are going to realize that the average Joe and Jill voter are repulsed by this behavior; one can hope that it's not until after the 2018 mid-term elections. ;-) I'm genuinely curious: what's repulsive about exercising constitutional rights? Whatever happened to all that "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" talk? I mean, look, I don't agree with all or even most of what the majority of protesters argue for. But civic engagement is a net positive, and I find the idea that folks are "repulsed" by it to be really odd. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:54:36 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: I was particularly taken with the now infamous fill-in-blank protest signs against the Supreme Court nominee. What's going on,especially the "fill in the blank" signs, reminds of the old movie PCU,especially the "we're not gonna protest" scene. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,164 Status: Online     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 11:59:28 AM  You have every right to peacefully protest. Other have just as much right to think your protests are silly. That your energies would better be put to work doing something constructive. And, to conclude that whatever your protesting must indeed be a good thing not the bad thing you are claiming simply because they don't respect you as a protestor. MLK's protests were effective in the long run because after a while he gathered more and more people to his cause. It became clear to a vast majority of American's the apartheid-like conditions in the South were barbaric and had to go. He had the moral high ground. That's something that I can't say for the vast majority of the current protests. Your opinions may differ, but that's OK. But, I believe what I said above reflects the opinion of a majority of present citizenry. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:02:18 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio69 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! I believe these protests, and the boorish behavior of the students and faculty involved, are producing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve. +1 On a national scale we have the protest for protest sake crowd. I was particularly taken with the now infamous fill-in-blank protest signs against the Supreme Court nominee. I keep wondering when they are going to realize that the average Joe and Jill voter are repulsed by this behavior; one can hope that it's not until after the 2018 mid-term elections. ;-) I'm genuinely curious: what's repulsive about exercising constitutional rights? Whatever happened to all that "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" talk? I mean, look, I don't agree with all or even most of what the majority of protesters argue for. But civic engagement is a net positive, and I find the idea that folks are "repulsed" by it to be really odd. It's not a matter of what they are doing but how they are doing it or saying it. The foul language from the stage at the Women's March is just one example. People holding signs in front of the Athens courthouse that say F this or F that or grab this pu%$# are repulsive to those who might be recruited to support a cause. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,798 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:16:19 PM  catfan28 wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: How sad that you..and some of your colleagues here...are so stuck on labels that you can't get any farther, can't/won't deal with facts and reality and their likely consequences and how to proceed from those facts and consequences. A closed mind is a sad thing. Do you disagree with that connotation? Liberal = Support for Socialist Policies and Big Government. Some people support that. I don't. But we're allowed to disagree. However, to deny that is the connotation is naive. "Facts" are so arbitrary. We have no idea what's true most of the time. Personally, I don't believe anything I hear in the media. You have to make up your own mind as to what's true. All of these "leaks" about Trump are ridiculous. Do you really think he's walking around in a bathrobe yelling at the TV? Even some of my more liberal-leaning friends have started to laugh at the coverage. The media (and liberal politicians) are jumping the shark. It won't be long until they are completely discredited...and I, for one, look forward to it. Republican Supermajority in 2018. That's the safest bet in Vegas. By this definition Reagan was a big liberal as the size of government greatly increased. And when you sit down and watch Trump make claims like murders are at a 47 year high, you do not know what to believe? Seriously? The FBI has kept and tracked these stats for decades and all the sudden because this clown says something random with NO numbers to support them you believe him? When he claims that 3-5 million people committed voter fraud while offering NO evidence at all you believe him? And now we are going to spend money investigating this??? Yeah, you are a real fiscal conservative! Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,798 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:17:22 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: You have every right to peacefully protest. Other have just as much right to think your protests are silly. That your energies would better be put to work doing something constructive. And, to conclude that whatever your protesting must indeed be a good thing not the bad thing you are claiming simply because they don't respect you as a protestor. MLK's protests were effective in the long run because after a while he gathered more and more people to his cause. It became clear to a vast majority of American's the apartheid-like conditions in the South were barbaric and had to go. He had the moral high ground. That's something that I can't say for the vast majority of the current protests. Your opinions may differ, but that's OK. But, I believe what I said above reflects the opinion of a majority of present citizenry. I'm personally going to boycott every event until I get a shuttle to pick me up! Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,472 Status: Offline     RE: Another protest    Posted: 2/8/2017 12:48:48 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio69 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: My God when will this liberal nonsense end? President McDavis gives us his best years and this is the thanks he gets? To our liberal friends here, see where this is all heading. God help us all! I believe these protests, and the boorish behavior of the students and faculty involved, are producing the exact opposite of what they hope to achieve. +1 On a national scale we have the protest for protest sake crowd. I was particularly taken with the now infamous fill-in-blank protest signs against the Supreme Court nominee. I keep wondering when they are going to realize that the average Joe and Jill voter are repulsed by this behavior; one can hope that it's not until after the 2018 mid-term elections. ;-) I'm genuinely curious: what's repulsive about exercising constitutional rights? Whatever happened to all that "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend with my life your right to say it" talk? I mean, look, I don't agree with all or even most of what the majority of protesters argue for. But civic engagement is a net positive, and I find the idea that folks are "repulsed" by it to be really odd. It's not a matter of what they are doing but how they are doing it or saying it. The foul language from the stage at the Women's March is just one example. People holding signs in front of the Athens courthouse that say F this or F that or grab this pu%$# are repulsive to those who might be recruited to support a cause. I find it completely ridiculous to hold protesters outside of the Athens courthouse to a higher standard of decorum than we hold the President of the United States. "Grab this pu%$#" is a direct quote from the man that is now the president. 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