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Topic:  Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
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Scott Woods
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  Message Not Read  Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 11:38:48 AM 
Anyone have any more insight to this story?

http://myfox28columbus.com/news/local/sheriff-credits-gun...

Last Edited: 3/24/2016 11:49:41 AM by Scott Woods

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 12:55:09 PM 
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 1:19:09 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


Yeah, that particular story is trying to make it sound like a mass shooting was stopped because someone had a gun. That played no factor in it. It was stopped because someone stepped up and said something to authorities.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 1:57:20 PM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


Yeah, that particular story is trying to make it sound like a mass shooting was stopped because someone had a gun. That played no factor in it. It was stopped because someone stepped up and said something to authorities.


Exactly. Feelings on guns aside, I wonder what some of our trained Bobcatattack journalists think about this reporting. I agree with your point 100% UpSan.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 2:04:08 PM 
Guns aside, I'm happy someone was able to recognize that this young man was emotionally disturbed before something terrible happened.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 6:04:57 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 8:28:54 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


It doesn't fit his agenda.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/24/2016 10:17:06 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.

Last Edited: 3/24/2016 10:18:07 PM by BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/25/2016 7:53:34 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.

Last Edited: 3/25/2016 7:54:38 AM by Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/25/2016 9:48:33 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.



Which is exactly what I said. Somewhere between the original store and his ammo attempt at Walmart he bought a gun
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/26/2016 8:39:09 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.



Which is exactly what I said. Somewhere between the original store and his ammo attempt at Walmart he bought a gun


Is that true? Did that happen?

Edit: I found this story with the reference to the .22 purchase they claim happened after the Logan gun store incident:
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-police-chief-no-...

Seems a bit fishy. The story gives no name of the "Athens store" that sold the .22 rifle. It says the gun was "newly purchased," which would seem to indicate it was in a retail bag, or there was a receipt, or something to indicate it was newly purchased. The story does rightly point out the immediate question: why did the guy not buy ammo at the store where he allegedly bought the .22?

Last Edited: 3/26/2016 8:51:10 AM by Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 12:02:59 AM 
So I take it there's no "waiting period" to purchase a firearm in Ohio?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 12:07:50 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


Yeah, that particular story is trying to make it sound like a mass shooting was stopped because someone had a gun. That played no factor in it. It was stopped because someone stepped up and said something to authorities.


Exactly. Feelings on guns aside, I wonder what some of our trained Bobcatattack journalists think about this reporting. I agree with your point 100% UpSan.



We all need to be careful about what we consider "reporting" and "journalism". I would not consider a blog post by someone only known as "Brandon" as journalism. That said, I don't see an issue with the "headline" used.

Last Edited: 3/28/2016 12:12:14 AM by OhioStunter
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 9:55:17 AM 
From today's post:

http://www.thepostathens.com/news/ou-police-chief-caution...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 9:33:46 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.



Which is exactly what I said. Somewhere between the original store and his ammo attempt at Walmart he bought a gun


Is that true? Did that happen?

Edit: I found this story with the reference to the .22 purchase they claim happened after the Logan gun store incident:
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-police-chief-no-...

Seems a bit fishy. The story gives no name of the "Athens store" that sold the .22 rifle. It says the gun was "newly purchased," which would seem to indicate it was in a retail bag, or there was a receipt, or something to indicate it was newly purchased. The story does rightly point out the immediate question: why did the guy not buy ammo at the store where he allegedly bought the .22?




If you shoot much, .22LR shells can be hard to come by, Walmart is the best bet at purchasing these shells in a store, but the .22LR has been in short supply for a few years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 10:37:59 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.



Which is exactly what I said. Somewhere between the original store and his ammo attempt at Walmart he bought a gun


Is that true? Did that happen?

Edit: I found this story with the reference to the .22 purchase they claim happened after the Logan gun store incident:
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-police-chief-no-...

Seems a bit fishy. The story gives no name of the "Athens store" that sold the .22 rifle. It says the gun was "newly purchased," which would seem to indicate it was in a retail bag, or there was a receipt, or something to indicate it was newly purchased. The story does rightly point out the immediate question: why did the guy not buy ammo at the store where he allegedly bought the .22?




If you shoot much, .22LR shells can be hard to come by, Walmart is the best bet at purchasing these shells in a store, but the .22LR has been in short supply for a few years.


You are a real renaissance man Billy. Hit the hide out of stock ammo and almost everything disappears. Interesting way to spell whether in the first paragraph of the ad.

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/22-long-rifle-ammo-c-202.aspx

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/28/2016 10:49:21 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
This made the rounds of FB yesterday with a very misleading headline. Seems like the point they were trying to make is that if everyone had a gun like this gun store owner, we would all be safer.

http://knowledgeglue.com/mass-shooting-in-athens-ohio-pre...

Looks like the store owner took his legal responsibilities seriously and perhaps prevented the loss of one or more lives.


I don't see the problem, Alan. Here's the headline: Mass shooting in Athens Ohio prevented by law abiding gun store owner.

What's the error?


The un-stated issue here, after the appropriate credit to the owner who was diligent, is the fact this guy left the shop where he was denied, and went and purchased a gun at another store while in the same mental state.


According to the story, he was not buying a gun at Wal-Mart, but attempting to buy ammo: Deputies located Howard inside the store at the firearms counter attempting to purchase a large quantity of ammunition, gloves and camouflage clothing.

It does say they found a "newly purchased" gun inside his car, but it doesn't say when or where that gun was purchased, or who purchased it.



Which is exactly what I said. Somewhere between the original store and his ammo attempt at Walmart he bought a gun


Is that true? Did that happen?

Edit: I found this story with the reference to the .22 purchase they claim happened after the Logan gun store incident:
http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-police-chief-no-...

Seems a bit fishy. The story gives no name of the "Athens store" that sold the .22 rifle. It says the gun was "newly purchased," which would seem to indicate it was in a retail bag, or there was a receipt, or something to indicate it was newly purchased. The story does rightly point out the immediate question: why did the guy not buy ammo at the store where he allegedly bought the .22?




If you shoot much, .22LR shells can be hard to come by, Walmart is the best bet at purchasing these shells in a store, but the .22LR has been in short supply for a few years.


You are a real renaissance man Billy. Hit the hide out of stock ammo and almost everything disappears. Interesting way to spell whether in the first paragraph of the ad.

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/22-long-rifle-ammo-c-202.aspx



on line sales Al, Is the only way I buy mine, by the brick (5,000 rounds) but many stores struggle to keep the .22LR in stock

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/11/19/keefe... /

Last Edited: 3/28/2016 10:57:26 PM by BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/29/2016 1:17:44 PM 
This will fire you up Robert

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-gun-store-owner-john-dow... /
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Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sheriff credits gun shop owner with thwarting possible shooting at Ohio University
   Posted: 3/29/2016 2:48:12 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
This will fire you up Robert

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-gun-store-owner-john-dow... /


How so?

One point of interest: the ammo was either .22 or now possibly shotgun shells. Everything else in the story is old news. Yes?
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