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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  Student Senate
   Posted: 4/15/2014 2:37:13 PM 
I see in The Post that this week is the Student Senate election.

I was wondering if anyone out there could answer a couple of questions on the Student Senate.

1.Does anyone know when the Student Senate started.
 I went to O.U. in the mid 70's and don't remeber ever hearing anything about it.

2.Does the Student Senate have any real "power"  as it comes to University policyies or are they just an advisory group.
 I looked on their "what we do " web page,but it was blank. (Which, if what  The Post says is true,seems appropriate).
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/16/2014 12:32:43 AM 
Student Senate has control over SAC funds... and that's pretty much it. They spend more time campaigning than actually doing anything.

Wait, that sounds familiar...


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/16/2014 4:17:24 PM 
If I'm not mistaken, our resident haiku specialist Monroe was student senate president in the 1970s.  Ran on the platform of "Party Naked."  Seriously.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/18/2014 12:27:40 AM 
SBH wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, our resident haiku specialist Monroe was student senate president in the 1970s. Ran on the platform of "Party Naked." Seriously.


Was that a threat if he lost?
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/26/2014 9:11:46 AM 
With the recently elected senate, you may for the first time in years see a period of student activism.  This is a rubber stamp group.  In fact the young lady elected president was one of the folks arrested last year at a board of trustees meeting.  Could be an interesting year here at OU.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/27/2014 11:34:39 PM 
You mean it's not a rubber stamp group?


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 4/28/2014 11:39:33 AM 
JSF wrote:
You mean it's not a rubber stamp group?


For the first time in quite some time they aren't a rubber stamp group.  That said, there is a right way and a wrong way to accomplish their agenda.  I hope they choose the former.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 5/31/2014 1:13:17 PM 
SBH wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, our resident haiku specialist Monroe was student senate president in the 1970s.  Ran on the platform of "Party Naked."  Seriously.





You are mistaken about the platform.  I cannot recall the platform upon which I was elected.  I think I have the flyer that I used somewhere but can't at this time find it so that I can here state the specifics.


"Get naked with Student Senate" buttons were during the fall, after the election (held the prior spring) in order to rev up excitement about the new student government.  (Prior student govt disbanded itself during my soph year, new constitution written, and my election, in my junior year.)

It ain't..wasn't... genius:  We could provide services and there'd be little opposition.  We could pursue issues but had little sway--no official/legal role (nothing required our approval) and we'd be gone in nine months so could largely be ignored.  My first memory is that we had no budget but I think that it was actually $2800.  No one was paid or got any tuition waiver/assistance or anything.  (Other state schools gave at least the top execs some pay or tuition assistance.)

We had an amazing group.  I'll slight too many by only mentioning a few here (my bad memory) but Virginia Mansfield, Peter Adler, Jeff Mason, John Elliott and Mike DeNoma (the infamous and hilarious 'some other schmuck' speech) deserve mention.

Did the 'naked' campaign work, were we effective?  Do your research and also read the editorial in The Post after Mike pointed out the facts at a party to people who he didn't know were the top execs at The Post.



sbh--you've cracked a number of times about student senate under me.  those are unfounded, inaccurate cheap shots.  and you know that you haven't researched the truth and are just going on what you want to think.













 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 7/4/2014 4:17:47 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
JSF wrote:
You mean it's not a rubber stamp group?


For the first time in quite some time they aren't a rubber stamp group.  That said, there is a right way and a wrong way to accomplish their agenda.  I hope they choose the former.

The problem is it went from a bunch of rubber stamping administrative kiss-asses straight to all out anarchists, so all that has changed is the reason why nothing of any remote value will be accomplished. Something in between would probably be better, but like real politics, there is no middle anymore.

The year I was asked to be on it was a borderline waste. I hadn't spent the 3 years prior to my election kissing the butt of administrators (outside of the department I worked for, which was Res Life), so I was just kind of along for the rubber stamping ride as an "outsider". Didn't realize it until it was too late.

The Post seemed to cover Senate pretty fairly this year to what I could see. It's leaps and bounds better than when Will Klatt comandeered the newspaper and had the editors operating it as his daily anarchist bulletin back in the late 2000's.

Last Edited: 7/4/2014 4:20:11 PM by ts1227

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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 7/6/2014 6:03:26 PM 
Stupid question, but what types of change and things does one expect to be accomplished via a Student Senate? I for one do not see students really having a seat at the table, more like a kids table in the next room at Thanksgiving dinner, and you still must eat your stuffing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 7/8/2014 11:43:05 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Stupid question, but what types of change and things does one expect to be accomplished via a Student Senate? I for one do not see students really having a seat at the table, more like a kids table in the next room at Thanksgiving dinner, and you still must eat your stuffing.


May be true. But remember the saying -- "if you aren't at the table, you're on the menu."
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 7/26/2014 11:33:08 PM 
ts1227 wrote:
The Post seemed to cover Senate pretty fairly this year to what I could see. It's leaps and bounds better than when Will Klatt comandeered the newspaper and had the editors operating it as his daily anarchist bulletin back in the late 2000's.

I won't argue this point, but I will just say that if you want to see a real anarchist daily you should go back and read The Post in the late 1960s.  The daily calls to burn down Cutler Hall in the name of flower power and peace were a bit too much . . . and I'm exaggerating only slightly.  Hyperbole in the search of truth is no vice . . . 

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/3/2014 7:12:04 PM 
cc cat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Stupid question, but what types of change and things does one expect to be accomplished via a Student Senate? I for one do not see students really having a seat at the table, more like a kids table in the next room at Thanksgiving dinner, and you still must eat your stuffing.


May be true. But remember the saying -- "if you aren't at the table, you're on the menu."
Some of the administrators do a pretty good job of keeping students at the table, and if they don't care they at least do a good job of pretending that they care, but the Trustees don't even pretend to give a damn. There's not even a kids table there, you just get a plate and fork and go sit in the other room.

Last Edited: 8/3/2014 7:14:03 PM by ts1227

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David E Brightbill
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/3/2014 8:18:33 PM 
In fact there are 2 student trustees appointed by the Governor, who attend every trustee meeting, all committee meetings, including executive committee meetings
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/3/2014 9:55:00 PM 
David E Brightbill wrote:
In fact there are 2 student trustees appointed by the Governor, who attend every trustee meeting, all committee meetings, including executive committee meetings


Big deal.  They can't vote.  If you really want to do something, propose a resolution where they can vote.  The folks in The Bunch of Grapes Tavern were firmly opposed to "no taxation without representation."

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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/4/2014 8:55:38 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
David E Brightbill wrote:
In fact there are 2 student trustees appointed by the Governor, who attend every trustee meeting, all committee meetings, including executive committee meetings


Big deal. They can't vote. If you really want to do something, propose a resolution where they can vote. The folks in The Bunch of Grapes Tavern were firmly opposed to "no taxation without representation."


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/4/2014 9:14:25 PM 

Ohio's Student Senate Alumni Society hosted a forum in February in Columbus which focused on HB 111 which would give public university boards of trustees in the state the option of voting to make student trustees full voting members. The bill, co-sponsored by Rep. Mike Duffey (R-Worthington) and Stinziano (D-Columbus) passed the House last fall, but hadn't worked its way through the Ohio Senate.

I attended the event which  featured a panel including Rep. Stinziano, then Student Senate President Anna Morton and alum Erik Roush who is an instructor at OSU and has experience in state government. I think Rep. Duffey was a late cancellation due to a committee meeting that day. The session was moderated by Greg Moore, past Student Senate president, who has been involved in voting rights advocacy and campaigns throughout his career. Trustee Sandra Anderson attended , as did Student Trustee Keith Wilbur. Other attendees included other Student Senate members, university staff and alums.

As I understand it, our board has nine voting members by law. In addition to the two non-voting student members, there are a few other non-voting members who also have full participation. Is this correct David?

I'll try to research the bill's status and let everyone know where it stands.

Edited for typos.

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David E Brightbill
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/4/2014 9:21:44 PM 
You are correct. The President of the Alumni Association and two national trustees are also members and attend all meetings.
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/5/2014 9:40:25 PM 
David E Brightbill wrote:
You are correct. The President of the Alumni Association and two national trustees are also members and attend all meetings.


But at the end of the day the hand picked students still can't vote.  Come on David, give them a voice.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/5/2014 9:56:11 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
David E Brightbill wrote:
You are correct. The President of the Alumni Association and two national trustees are also members and attend all meetings.


But at the end of the day the hand picked students still can't vote. Come on David, give them a voice.


I agree with Alan, you can claim this and that, but at the end of the day, they are two token students who have no voice in representing the students! And the sad thing is those who support this bloated bureaucracy are the ones with no say in the process.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/5/2014 11:22:28 PM 
Based on Joe's reply above, sounds like it's not up to David or other trustees at this point in time.  No?


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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/6/2014 6:33:43 PM 
Ryan Carey wrote:
Based on Joe's reply above, sounds like it's not up to David or other trustees at this point in time.  No?

 
You are absolutely right Ryan but the current administration at OU has publicly opposed letting student trustees vote.  By let them vote, I meant the first step here at OU is for the administration and board to publicly support the bill as the former president of osu did.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/6/2014 8:17:29 PM 
The administration has not taken a position against student trustees voting in fact the organization representing Ohio's public 4 year universities voted unanimously to support the proposed legislation which would have left it up to each board of trustees. President McDavis is of course a member and as I said it was a unanimous vote.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/10/2014 7:03:29 AM 
My favorite is when student trustee applicants actively oppose voting power. It's digusting. Why would I want someone representing me who doesn't actually want the ability to do anything meaningful? How can you possibly convince me you're not just resume building and want to play nice?


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Student Senate
   Posted: 8/10/2014 10:45:30 AM 
David E Brightbill wrote:
The administration has not taken a position against student trustees voting in fact the organization representing Ohio's public 4 year universities voted unanimously to support the proposed legislation which would have left it up to each board of trustees. President McDavis is of course a member and as I said it was a unanimous vote.


Hogwash!  Unanimous vote to give each board of trustees the final decision and based on this and many other articles, we know what OU's adminstration's decision would be.  This unanimous vote is far different than one that would have supported giving student trustees and actual vote.  Don't you just love corporate speak.  The readers of this board are a tad more sophiticated that than - thank goodness many of them received an OU education.

http://www.athensnews.com/ohio/article-41153-optional-student-trustee-vote-probably-worthless.html

Last Edited: 8/10/2014 2:45:42 PM by Alan Swank

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