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The first floor will have an unspecified business tenant.  http://www.athensohiotoday.com/news/article_4bd60174-83f7-11e1-bc42-0019bb2963f4.html Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OUBob General User Member Since: 9/9/2010 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 278 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/25/2012 4:31:23 PM  Anybody have any idea where the mirror went that said "Eds Greenery" on the 2nd floor? n00b Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 2:03:57 PM  Now we just need to get the Woolworth's building redeveloped... How long is that prime piece of real estate going to sit empty? BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,344 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 2:49:34 PM  Based on what  I see on nearly every big intersection around the country, a Walgreen's has to be in the planning for that spot.  Everywhere CVS is, there goes Walgreen's and vice versa. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 5:13:52 PM  Bobcatbob wrote: Based on what  I see on nearly every big intersection around the country, a Walgreen's has to be in the planning for that spot.  Everywhere CVS is, there goes Walgreen's and vice versa. Maybe so. I've always said that if they subdivided that building into smaller retail spaces they would do a better job of finding tenants. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top HeHateMiami General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Mason, OH Post Count: 473 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 5:54:00 PM  DelBobcat wrote: Now we just need to get the Woolworth's building redeveloped... How long is that prime piece of real estate going to sit empty? Not to mention the old Burger King. I don't understand how the rent asking price hasn't dropped in the past 10 years if it's really that big of a barrier to getting someone in there, but to be fair it's a topic I've read/heard very little about, so I'd be interested if anyone had any insight. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 8:16:42 PM  I've always assumed that once they got apartments in the upper levels of the Woolworth's building the owners were making enough money to just leave the lower floors empty.  Last I knew those lower floors were still just big open spaces.  I figure it would take quite an investment to change it up.  No? The old Burger King site is a mystery to me.  I hear the rent is huge and the company in charge of the building is picky about the type of business they want in there.  And, again, the apartments above make it less an issue. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 4/30/2012 9:49:48 PM  I always thought that the Burger King space had something to do with unpaid property taxes... Not sure though. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top anorris General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Location: Bristol, CT Post Count: 2,262 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/1/2012 1:43:47 PM  I'm sure the apartments above make money, but it seems like they'd be pretty prime locations with good foot traffic.  Strange to me they've been shuttered so long (Burger King did have a political office in it for a few months around the '08 election, but that's it). Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/1/2012 2:54:26 PM  Ohio69 wrote: I've always assumed that once they got apartments in the upper levels of the Woolworth's building the owners were making enough money to just leave the lower floors empty.  Last I knew those lower floors were still just big open spaces.  I figure it would take quite an investment to change it up.  No? The old Burger King site is a mystery to me.  I hear the rent is huge and the company in charge of the building is picky about the type of business they want in there.  And, again, the apartments above make it less an issue. Bingo!  I called the number on the window a few years ago to inquire.  The lady wouldn't give me a rent figure.  She wanted to know what I was going to put in and I asked her why did it matter.  Her response was the rent was different for different things. I'm for eminent domain on both sites.  That block is an eyesore. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/1/2012 4:05:16 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Ohio69 wrote: I've always assumed that once they got apartments in the upper levels of the Woolworth's building the owners were making enough money to just leave the lower floors empty.  Last I knew those lower floors were still just big open spaces.  I figure it would take quite an investment to change it up.  No? The old Burger King site is a mystery to me.  I hear the rent is huge and the company in charge of the building is picky about the type of business they want in there.  And, again, the apartments above make it less an issue. Bingo!  I called the number on the window a few years ago to inquire.  The lady wouldn't give me a rent figure.  She wanted to know what I was going to put in and I asked her why did it matter.  Her response was the rent was different for different things. I'm for eminent domain on both sites.  That block is an eyesore. Interesting thought. I don't know about BID laws in Ohio but maybe the Court Street business owners could organize a BID and use the money for streetscape improvements and the possible acquisition of these properties. Then they could pursue opportunities that would complement the current makeup of businesses on the street. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/1/2012 5:12:32 PM  DelBobcat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Ohio69 wrote: I've always assumed that once they got apartments in the upper levels of the Woolworth's building the owners were making enough money to just leave the lower floors empty.  Last I knew those lower floors were still just big open spaces.  I figure it would take quite an investment to change it up.  No? The old Burger King site is a mystery to me.  I hear the rent is huge and the company in charge of the building is picky about the type of business they want in there.  And, again, the apartments above make it less an issue. Bingo!  I called the number on the window a few years ago to inquire.  The lady wouldn't give me a rent figure.  She wanted to know what I was going to put in and I asked her why did it matter.  Her response was the rent was different for different things. I'm for eminent domain on both sites.  That block is an eyesore. Interesting thought. I don't know about BID laws in Ohio but maybe the Court Street business owners could organize a BID and use the money for streetscape improvements and the possible acquisition of these properties. Then they could pursue opportunities that would complement the current makeup of businesses on the street. The problem in this town is that building owners are literally raping their tenants.  Same goes for real estate.  The Bella Vino/Sutton's One Stop was listed for $395,000 and sold for less than $250,000.   Listing prices are artificially inflated and people pay way more than they need to.  Rather than worrying about flouride in the water (believe it or not that's coming up for a vote again), the local administration should focus on affordability of housing, food and gas. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/1/2012 6:41:06 PM  Yes, they should set a rent ceiling and watch the rental units disappear. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/8/2012 1:05:54 AM  Robert Fox wrote: Yes, they should set a rent ceiling and watch the rental units disappear. Well, no one suggested a rent ceiling and that is certainly not the only strategy for promoting affordable housing. Allowing more density would be one simple strategy. Unless it has changed, the current zoning in Athens allows a maximum of 3.5 stories in the most dense residential zone. Palmer Place wanted to go taller than that and should have been allowed to do so. That would have increased the supply of housing and kept students out of the neighborhoods. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/9/2012 5:54:17 PM  DelBobcat wrote: Robert Fox wrote: Yes, they should set a rent ceiling and watch the rental units disappear. Well, no one suggested a rent ceiling and that is certainly not the only strategy for promoting affordable housing. Allowing more density would be one simple strategy. Unless it has changed, the current zoning in Athens allows a maximum of 3.5 stories in the most dense residential zone. Palmer Place wanted to go taller than that and should have been allowed to do so. That would have increased the supply of housing and kept students out of the neighborhoods. I'm afraid you have it totally backwards.  It's because of the increased density that you are seeing the problems that you have today.  The city created student ghettos and environment for the behavior that was on display at Palmerfest.  You just can't pack that many folks in a small area and not expect problems. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/10/2012 1:30:42 AM  Alan Swank wrote: DelBobcat wrote: Robert Fox wrote: Yes, they should set a rent ceiling and watch the rental units disappear. Well, no one suggested a rent ceiling and that is certainly not the only strategy for promoting affordable housing. Allowing more density would be one simple strategy. Unless it has changed, the current zoning in Athens allows a maximum of 3.5 stories in the most dense residential zone. Palmer Place wanted to go taller than that and should have been allowed to do so. That would have increased the supply of housing and kept students out of the neighborhoods. I'm afraid you have it totally backwards.  It's because of the increased density that you are seeing the problems that you have today.  The city created student ghettos and environment for the behavior that was on display at Palmerfest.  You just can't pack that many folks in a small area and not expect problems. Seriously? That's a gross generalization. There are many, many places that are much more dense than any part of Athens and do not see problems. The problems with Palmer Fest have nothing to do with the density of the neighborhood. You have people coming from out of town, with no stake in the community, that are completely fine with trashing the place. Palmer Place apartments provide very nice housing options and if they had been built more densely it would have only added to the good housing stock in the area. Instead, you have more students living in hellhole housing that isn't maintained by the slumlords in Athens. The condition of the housing is of more concern than the density. Athenians complain about students spreading out into their neighborhoods (I'm thinking Near East Side in particular) but are against increased density near campus. That doesn't make any sense. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/10/2012 8:27:11 AM  My feelings on this is why Athens is so screwy.  I don't want student housing bigger than 3 stories or whatever was listed as the maximum.  And, I also want to stop rentals from creeping into my near east side neighborhood.  Makes sense, eh? Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/10/2012 1:07:04 PM  Ohio69 wrote: My feelings on this is why Athens is so screwy.  I don't want student housing bigger than 3 stories or whatever was listed as the maximum.  And, I also want to stop rentals from creeping into my near east side neighborhood.  Makes sense, eh? Well can't have your cake and eat it too.... It is a college town and you have to put the students somewhere. Would you really be against student apartment complexes near campus that are five or six stories? Provided, of course, that they are of quality construction and well maintained? And for the record, I lived on Morris Avenue when I was at OU and we had great relationships with our neighbors. Loved living in that neighborhood. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,164 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/11/2012 1:27:03 AM  Ohio69 wrote: My feelings on this is why Athens is so screwy.  I don't want student housing bigger than 3 stories or whatever was listed as the maximum.  And, I also want to stop rentals from creeping into my near east side neighborhood.  Makes sense, eh? WARNING THE TIRADE BELOW REPRESENTS THREAD DRIFT AT ITS WORST.  VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED, FOR MATURE AUDIENCES ONLY.  That's what happens when you have a crazy hippie as mayor.  Let me add that though he is a crazy hippie, he's kind of nice guy.  At one point, the city fathers and mothers didn't want high-rise apartments for fire-safety reasons; however, the city fire department has since the 1960s had a tower truck capable of reaching the top of Bromley Hall (aka College Inn at one point) from the bottom of High Street.  Since that argument makes no sense they dropped it for the most part, and now claim it has something to do with not destroying Athens' "viewshed."  This is a term that hippies and hippie wannabes seem in love with these days.  All sorts of development-oriented and progressive steps (in the true meaning of the word) are blocked, or attempted to be blocked, in the name of saving or preserving a viewshed.  I'm all for preserving important aspects of the past -- particularly preserving old buildings with historical significance -- but I don't believe I have some Constitutional right to have a particular viewshed preserved because cutting down a few trees on a hillside or somewhere else offends my sense of dignity.  Trees, BTW, are a renewable resource.  Almost all of Ohio -- with about three small exceptions -- has been timbered at least three times since the early 1800s.  The Athens Tree Commission is a completely ridiculous attempt by hippie government to control actions of citizens that are completely a matter of personal discretion if you take your Constitutional rights seriously.     Last Edited: 5/11/2012 1:32:50 AM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/15/2012 8:22:53 AM  DelBobcat wrote: Well can't have your cake and eat it too.... It is a college town and you have to put the students somewhere. Would you really be against student apartment complexes near campus that are five or six stories? Provided, of course, that they are of quality construction and well maintained? Yes, I would vote against student apartment complexes five or six stories high.  I like the Washington DC-esque height limits in Athens. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 993 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/15/2012 11:39:46 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio69 wrote: My feelings on this is why Athens is so screwy.  I don't want student housing bigger than 3 stories or whatever was listed as the maximum.  And, I also want to stop rentals from creeping into my near east side neighborhood.  Makes sense, eh? WARNING THE TIRADE BELOW REPRESENTS THREAD DRIFT AT ITS WORST.  VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED, FOR MATURE AUDIENCES ONLY.  That's what happens when you have a crazy hippie as mayor.  Let me add that though he is a crazy hippie, he's kind of nice guy.  At one point, the city fathers and mothers didn't want high-rise apartments for fire-safety reasons; however, the city fire department has since the 1960s had a tower truck capable of reaching the top of Bromley Hall (aka College Inn at one point) from the bottom of High Street.  Since that argument makes no sense they dropped it for the most part, and now claim it has something to do with not destroying Athens' "viewshed."  This is a term that hippies and hippie wannabes seem in love with these days.  All sorts of development-oriented and progressive steps (in the true meaning of the word) are blocked, or attempted to be blocked, in the name of saving or preserving a viewshed.  I'm all for preserving important aspects of the past -- particularly preserving old buildings with historical significance -- but I don't believe I have some Constitutional right to have a particular viewshed preserved because cutting down a few trees on a hillside or somewhere else offends my sense of dignity.  Trees, BTW, are a renewable resource.  Almost all of Ohio -- with about three small exceptions -- has been timbered at least three times since the early 1800s.  The Athens Tree Commission is a completely ridiculous attempt by hippie government to control actions of citizens that are completely a matter of personal discretion if you take your Constitutional rights seriously.     I had a whole response typed up to tell you how ridiculous you are, but then I deleted it. You know what OCF, you are a genius. I completely support your anti-Hippie, Progressive campaign to make Athens a better place. Here's my simple advice to you - Cut the trees down. Chop all those f*ckers down. The constitution tells you how smart and progressive you are. Build everything 10-20 stories. No, wait. Don't stop there. Go 20-30 stories. Put up a sign that says "hey, piss in this elevator" in every building. Then give these same 2-story landlords autonomy over these 30 story buildings and let them get lax on maintenance and safety. Couple rapes here or there b/c the place is poorly lit. Couple fires here or there b/c they took a few shortcuts. No A/C in the warmer months. Elevators consistently out of service for kids on the 24th floor. This will work swimmingly. Probably should call AEP while you're at it, and incentivise them to build a coal-fired plant right there by Pruitt Field. Make sure it's dirty. Real f*cking dirty. Get it as smoggy as possible in that little hell whole of a town. What you wanna do is keep anyone from wanting to come back to spend money in 5 years. Really make sure they understand that what Athens needs is more 1/2 vacant strip malls, bare hillsides, and urban blight. What you gotta do is take away any semblance of nostalgia or beauty. Serious, get the hell rid of any kind of aesthetic draw the place might have. We can't have those hippies talking about aesthetics, green spaces, beauty, or anything like that. God, they just get in the way of progress. Man, it's good to have a Progressive brother like you, OCF. Once we take care of Athens and all this ridiculous forestry and green space, let's focus on these Casinos next. Bastards. Oops, my bad. Wait, you don't want casinos? More crime and prostitution? Nah, never proven in study after study. Jesus didn't want you to gamble? Oh, I see. We're progressives right? We want the money in Ohio? We don't? Shit, I can't follow you on all this. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/15/2012 3:01:57 PM  Ohio69 wrote: DelBobcat wrote: Well can't have your cake and eat it too.... It is a college town and you have to put the students somewhere. Would you really be against student apartment complexes near campus that are five or six stories? Provided, of course, that they are of quality construction and well maintained? Yes, I would vote against student apartment complexes five or six stories high.  I like the Washington DC-esque height limits in Athens. Hmmm... I'll give you that there needs to be height limits... But I don't think five or six stories in the low-lying areas would disturb the character of the town. The buildings uptown would still define the skyline because they sit on a hill. Without more density, students are going to keep fanning out into the neighborhoods. Of course height isn't he only was to achieve density. Philadelphia has achieved an incredibly dense downtown by utilizing the row house. In fact, until 1987 there was no building in the city taller than the statue of Billy Penn on City Hall. That gentleman's agreement was broken with the construction of One Liberty Place. But back to the point at hand. A zoning code that allows more density in the neighborhoods adjacent to the university would be very beneficial, so long as it is accompanied by very strict standards for how the buildings should look. If I were the King of Athens I would allow apartment complexes to go beyond the current 3.5 story limit (I'm thinking six or even seven stories) with the caveat that they must be constructed in the Federalist or Georgian architectural styles. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,164 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/15/2012 6:08:15 PM  Bobcat Love wrote:   Shit, I can't follow you on all this. Ditto. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/15/2012 7:20:51 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: Probably should call AEP while you're at it, and incentivise them to build a coal-fired plant right there by Pruitt Field. Uh, there's already a coal fired plant by Pruitt field.  Just sayin..... Cut OCF some slack on this thread.  There are some insanely leftist folks in Athens.  Its one of the reasons why I like living here.  But, sometimes.....they drive you mad.  Like when the tree commission/city  decided they were going to plant a tree in my yard without ever telling me.  Just showed up and started digging a hole. Last Edited: 5/15/2012 7:26:03 PM by Ohio69 Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Old Greenery Remodeled    Posted: 5/17/2012 3:25:35 PM  Ohio69 wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: Probably should call AEP while you're at it, and incentivise them to build a coal-fired plant right there by Pruitt Field. Uh, there's already a coal fired plant by Pruitt field.  Just sayin..... Cut OCF some slack on this thread.  There are some insanely leftist folks in Athens.  Its one of the reasons why I like living here.  But, sometimes.....they drive you mad.  Like when the tree commission/city  decided they were going to plant a tree in my yard without ever telling me.  Just showed up and started digging a hole. Planted in your yard or on the devil strip? 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