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Topic:  It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em

Topic:  It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
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FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/15/2018 6:25:25 PM 
Having observed Ohio's recruiting process since 1973, I realize it takes away part of the fun, but you just can't realistically evaluate these high school ballers until they're actually in a Bobcats uniform and put under the eye test.

There have been several guys who came to Athens with a suitcase full of press clippings who didn't pan out. Then there have been recruits like Caris LeVert, his never putting on an Ohio uniform notwithstanding. You want a good laugh? Go back and look up his rating (if you can find one!) and what the recruiting gurus had to say about him after coach John Groce got the commitment prior to his senior season. Ditto for Dave Jamerson.

I remember having a conversation with one of the late Larry Hunter's assistant coaches after their big recruiting haul, in which he believed Jason Kent was the prized catch. That turned out to be Gary Trent.

So you just don't know. But it is fun to project, isn't it?



Last Edited: 5/17/2018 1:15:38 PM by FlashGary
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  Message Not Read  RE: It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/16/2018 1:03:25 PM 
FlashGary, oh how very true. Not only are BA pontificators sometimes wrong, so are coaches. Who would have thunk it?

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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/17/2018 10:43:59 AM 
FlashGary wrote:
Having observed Ohio's recruiting process since 1973, I realize it takes away part of the fun, but you just can't realistically evaluate these high school ballers until they're actually in a Bobcats uniform and put under the eye test.

There have been several guys who came to Athens with a suitcase full of press clippings who didn't pan out. Then there have been recruits like Caris LeVert, his never putting on an Ohio uniform notwithstanding. You want a good laugh? Go back and look up his rating (if you can find one!) and what the recruiting gurus had to say about him after coach Jim Christian got the commitment prior to his senior season. Ditto for Dave Jamerson.




While your premise makes sense, I don't think the test case pans out. I think a recruit like Caris was a guy who had accolades. First off, he had offers from Dayton and Michigan (though that one came late). Secondly, I believe that he was a Groce recruit, not a Christian recruit, right?

Caris, according to Rivals, also had interest from Iowa and Purdue. He was a three star recruit who was the 250th best prospect in the nation. I wouldn't consider him a fly-under-the-radar type.
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  Message Not Read  RE: It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/17/2018 1:15:13 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
Having observed Ohio's recruiting process since 1973, I realize it takes away part of the fun, but you just can't realistically evaluate these high school ballers until they're actually in a Bobcats uniform and put under the eye test.

There have been several guys who came to Athens with a suitcase full of press clippings who didn't pan out. Then there have been recruits like Caris LeVert, his never putting on an Ohio uniform notwithstanding. You want a good laugh? Go back and look up his rating (if you can find one!) and what the recruiting gurus had to say about him after coach Jim Christian got the commitment prior to his senior season. Ditto for Dave Jamerson.




While your premise makes sense, I don't think the test case pans out. I think a recruit like Caris was a guy who had accolades. First off, he had offers from Dayton and Michigan (though that one came late). Secondly, I believe that he was a Groce recruit, not a Christian recruit, right?

Caris, according to Rivals, also had interest from Iowa and Purdue. He was a three star recruit who was the 250th best prospect in the nation. I wouldn't consider him a fly-under-the-radar type.


Thanks for picking it up, finnOhio, that I named the wrong coach. It was John Groce, indeed, who recruited Caris. As for his other offers, I distinctly remember looking this up when LeVert committed early before his senior school year and, to the best of my recollection, he was completely off everyone's radar. I do believe the offers began to file in later, once he began playing as a senior.

And as Lt. Columbo would said, "One more thing." Not looking to intentionally bust open a healed scab or cause anyone to bellow, "Oh, the pain!" once again, but every time I think of LeVert, I can't help but wonder what would have happened IF John Groce had stayed for at least one more season and Caris would have come in as a freshman to play with the D.J. Cooper-led team that had EVERYONE returning from a Sweet 16 appearance that fell a missed Walter Offutt free throw against North Carolina shy of reaching the Final 8. Okay, I'll say it, "Oh, the pain!"
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  Message Not Read  RE: It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/18/2018 8:49:20 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
finnOhio wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
Having observed Ohio's recruiting process since 1973, I realize it takes away part of the fun, but you just can't realistically evaluate these high school ballers until they're actually in a Bobcats uniform and put under the eye test.

There have been several guys who came to Athens with a suitcase full of press clippings who didn't pan out. Then there have been recruits like Caris LeVert, his never putting on an Ohio uniform notwithstanding. You want a good laugh? Go back and look up his rating (if you can find one!) and what the recruiting gurus had to say about him after coach Jim Christian got the commitment prior to his senior season. Ditto for Dave Jamerson.




While your premise makes sense, I don't think the test case pans out. I think a recruit like Caris was a guy who had accolades. First off, he had offers from Dayton and Michigan (though that one came late). Secondly, I believe that he was a Groce recruit, not a Christian recruit, right?

Caris, according to Rivals, also had interest from Iowa and Purdue. He was a three star recruit who was the 250th best prospect in the nation. I wouldn't consider him a fly-under-the-radar type.


Thanks for picking it up, finnOhio, that I named the wrong coach. It was John Groce, indeed, who recruited Caris. As for his other offers, I distinctly remember looking this up when LeVert committed early before his senior school year and, to the best of my recollection, he was completely off everyone's radar. I do believe the offers began to file in later, once he began playing as a senior.

And as Lt. Columbo would said, "One more thing." Not looking to intentionally bust open a healed scab or cause anyone to bellow, "Oh, the pain!" once again, but every time I think of LeVert, I can't help but wonder what would have happened IF John Groce had stayed for at least one more season and Caris would have come in as a freshman to play with the D.J. Cooper-led team that had EVERYONE returning from a Sweet 16 appearance that fell a missed Walter Offutt free throw against North Carolina shy of reaching the Final 8. Okay, I'll say it, "Oh, the pain!"



Timeline on Caris
Ohio 12/2011
Dayton 4/2012
Michigan 5/2012
Purdue 6/2012
X 6/2012

No reports of an Iowa offer.

Groce had a good eye for seeing talent before anyone else was on them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: It's fun to project, but we've gotta see 'em to know 'em
   Posted: 5/21/2018 4:33:34 AM 
Strongly agree.

It's fun projecting recruits and dreaming about their potential in an OHIO uniform, but no one really KNOWS. These are 17 and 18 year old kids. Anything could happen. Way too many variables at play.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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