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OUOhYeah2428
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And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/1/2013 9:02:24 PM

Possible season ending injuries to starting OL Sam Johnson and John Lechner. Also Moore went out after 4 plays with an ankle injury. This is not good. Trying to stay positive

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 8:12:21 AM

Any guesses who starts at guard this week? I know injuries happen but why does it seem like it's always where Ohio is already thin?
Good opportunities for some of the young players to step up. Very tough for Lechner and Johnson to have their season end if it is indeed true.

OUOhYeah2428
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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 8:53:30 AM

It looks like Everhart is the back up for Lechner at LG and Mike Lucas is the back up for Sam Johnson at RG. Although Lucas started the game at Center, so i think the next person in line for RG is McQueen or Nick Gibbons. Depth is going to be an issue if these injuries are as serious as they sound, they will have to start shuffling guys around to play different positions kind of like what they are doing with Lucas (who normally plays guard) or hope the young guys can step up.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 10:37:22 AM

OUOhYeah2428 wrote:

I think McQueen would make an excellent right guard.

Everhart and Lucas will do....hopefully Smith comes back in a few weeks either to play guard or help out at center. It seems like we never have enough depth on the o line. A few guys like Welter and Gibbons will need to step up. I hate to use true freshman but Durrell Wood at 6'3"-345 makes a hellacious right guard.....it seems all the Cardinal o-line guys were about that weight.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 11:08:36 AM

Agreed. I feel pretty confident in the backups, like Watson and McQueen. Hopefully Smith gets healthy soon and Lucas Powell so we can put Mike Lucas back at guard to give some more depth . Luckily we play the hardest of the MAC schedule (Kent State and BG) towards the end of the season. I'm only assuming/hoping that the OL and DL will get better as the season moves along.

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And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 11:12:34 AM

How's the Walk-on program doing?
It's always been a good source for kickers and linemen.
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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 12:11:25 PM

If these are season enders each will be getting a medical redshirt, no?

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/2/2013 10:00:20 PM

Jon Lechner also had a shoulder injury. Sounds fairly serious, but I'm not sure of the details.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 1:38:09 AM

When will Moore be back?

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 2:44:55 PM

Arkley said "very very questionable" for North Texas game.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 6:09:36 PM

C Money wrote:

If these are season enders each will be getting a medical redshirt, no?

Zack Murdock OL
Jake Schany WLB
Devin Jones S

Out for year

John Tanner TE (career may be over)
Davon Henry (TE)

Out for at least a few weeks

Justin Wyatt WR (ankle)
Ray Lichtenstein K (groin?)
Mark Smith #2 C/LG (hand)
Jon Lechner #1LG (shoulder)
Sam Johnson #1 RG (ankle)

Out for unknown amount

Keith Moore #1 WLB (ankle)
Lucas Powell #1 C (ankle)
Landon Smith WR (shoulder)

Losing Moore is not good, but the real problem here is the offensive line, where you've lost the starting LG, RG, and both the first and second string centers.

Last Edited: 9/3/2013 8:33:12 PM by L.C.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 6:51:01 PM

L.C. wrote:

C Money wrote:

If these are season enders each will be getting a medical redshirt, no?

Both Lechner and Johnson redshirted in 2009. If they redshirted due to injury, or missed enough of an other season due to injury, they could apply for a 6th year, but I'm not sure either qualifies. The good news is that Moore is "very very questionable for NT" and Lechner and Jonhson are "out for NT", but none are as yet listed as "Out for the year". Hopefully all will be back for the MAC.

Speaking of applying for a 6th year, it seems to me that Dovell could be eligible to apply for another year, if he wants it. He missed his Freshman year due to an injury in High School, and he missed last year due to injury.

Here is the injury situation, from what I've read:
Still recovering from surgery Zack Murdock OL
Jake Schany WLB
Devin Jones S
Out for year John Tanner TE (career may be over)
Davon Henry (TE) Out for at least a few weeks Justin Wyatt WR (ankle)
Ray Lichtenstein K (groin?)
Mark Smith #2 C/LG (hand)
Jon Lechner #1LG (shoulder)
Sam Johnson #1 RG (ankle)
Out for unknown amount Keith Moore #1 WLB (ankle)
Lucas Powell #1 C (ankle)

Losing Moore is not good, but the real problem here is the offensive line, where you've lost the starting LG, RG, and both the first and second string centers.

How do you spell disaster? You're looking at it.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 7:19:33 PM

Glad to hear Jovon Johnson is back this week. Taking the spot for the injured K. Moore. No idea who the 3rd string LB is.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 7:20:49 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

L.C. wrote:

C Money wrote:

If these are season enders each will be getting a medical redshirt, no?

How do you spell disaster? You're looking at it.

You could add WR Landon Smith to that list, out with a shoulder issue

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 9:01:15 PM

OK, I added Landon Smith.

While it looks like a lot of numbers, only a few positions are affected:
TE - lost Davon Henry and John Tanner, which means that Troy Mangen gave up his redshirt, and Mason Morgan may as well. Since this is down at 3d string, it should have little impact.
WR - Wyatt probably would have redshirted anyway, and losing Landon hurts, but you still have Watters, Reid, Foster, Sebastian Smith, Dovell, Cochran and Dixon.
WLB - Schany would probably have been number 3 on the depth chart, and obviously Moore was the starter, and losing him hurts a lot. That leaves you with Jovon Johnson. I have no idea who his backup will be. Hopefully Moore will be back in another week or so, and hopefully Schany will be game ready at some point this season.

but, then there is....
LG/C/RG - This is the biggest problem, by far. You start by losing Skyler Allen, J.D. Bales, Vince Carlotta, and Eric Herman to graduation. Then, in scrimmages you lose Powell and Smith, and in the first game you lose Lechner and Johnson, and now you are out of proven Centers/Guards. Mike Lucas has played some, and he can play either Center or Right Guard, but not both. So, who plays the other two spots? Others in the mix:
LG - Seth Everhart - former walkon, Redshirt Sophomore (10 snaps last year)
C - Bubba Williams - walkon redshirt Junior (0 snaps), Jacob Welter red shirt Sophmore (0 snaps)
RG - Nic Gibbons - redshirt Freshman (0 snaps)

Doc suggested that Mike McQueen might play LG instead of his normal LT backup spot, which is possible. I suspect that Lighner will find some guys that will do OK, but I hope they mature in a hurry. Louisville stacked the outside, and dared Ohio to take it up the middle. With the starting interior linemen gone, Ohio wasn't able to do that with much success. NT won't have as good a front seven as Louisville had, so hopefully it will go a little better this week.

Last Edited: 9/3/2013 11:22:06 PM by L.C.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 11:03:07 PM

When did Powell go down?

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/3/2013 11:20:32 PM

shabamon wrote:

When did Powell go down?

It was an ankle injury in the First scrimmage.

Edit- In reviewing the game notes for NT, I see that Powell was able to play 23 snaps at Louisville. If he can go the full game at NT, then Lucas can move back to RG. Also, I see that McQueen played 49 snaps, but 31 of those were at LG. Thus, we may see a starting OL Saturday of Prior-McQueen-Powell-Lucas-McGrath. I also see some respectable OL grades for Everhart and Watson in spot roles, but that may have been late in the game against Louisville reserves.

Smith had a hand injury, and they said it might take several weeks, but hopefully he'll be back before the MAC season starts, and that will add one more person into the mix.

An important difference between this year and last year that last year it was always season ending injuries.

Last Edited: 9/4/2013 9:53:48 AM by L.C.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/4/2013 10:18:25 AM

L.C. wrote:

shabamon wrote:

When did Powell go down?

Right, you had me worried that Powell was another casualty from Sunday. An Arkley blog update does not mention Powell as out for North Texas.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/4/2013 11:09:47 AM

Just read Akley's twitter. He thinks Powell should be ready to start, meaning Lucas at RG, and McQueen at LG. Also mentioned that Smith will be back in about 2 weeks. There is no mention of when Lechner and Johnson might return. Here's a revised list:

Still recovering from surgery

Zack Murdock reserve OL - (will no doubt redshirt)
Jake Schany 3d string WLB - (back later this season?)
Devin Jones 3d string nickle/S - (back later this season?)

Out for year

John Tanner 3d string TE (shoulder, career may be over)
Davon Henry 3d string TE (shoulder popped)

Out for at least a few weeks

Justin Wyatt 3d string WR - (ankle sprain, out for a few weeks, may redshirt)
Ray Lichtenstein competitor for K job - (groin?)
Mark Smith #2 C/LG - (hand injury, out for about 2 more weeks)
Jon Lechner #1LG - (shoulder, had MRI, no announcements on injury)
Sam Johnson #1 RG - (ankle, had MRI, no announcement on injury)

Out for unknown amount

Keith Moore #1 WLB - (ankle, out this week at least, may be back shortly)
Landon Smith #2 WR - (shoulder, unknown when he will be back)
Mario Dovell #1 WR - (out for NT, unknown injury)

Again, note that while there are a lot of names here, unlike last year most of these are not season ending injuries, and most of them will return to action in a few weeks. Also, only 6 of these injuries affect players that were first or second string. It's not a great start for a year, but not close to last year.

Edit - Added Dovell to the list out for NT, per Arkley's twitter.

Last Edited: 9/4/2013 10:38:38 PM by L.C.

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RE: And it begins...Injuries

Posted: 9/5/2013 8:03:19 AM

Jon Lechner's update on his injury is relatively good news:

Labrum is torn but great news is its not gonna require surgery due to some science stuff I wasn't listening to. This means ill be able to play towards later in the season. Very thankful

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Weak

Posted: 9/5/2013 10:00:38 AM

To me, too often Ohio looks weak.

A year or two ago when the topic of Ohio's strength program arose again, I posited that relative weakness could lead to more injuries. Some said "pish tosh" - or something similar - to that argument.

With a bit of perspective, let me posit again that relative weakness increases the chance of injuries.

During my high school footballing years, only once during game preparations did I see that I would be pitted against an opponent much larger - and presumably stronger - than I. Once the game started, that perception was born out. He stood 3-4 inches taller than I and had me by some 45 pounds - 225 to 180.

Only with technique and guile was I, for the most part, able to hold my own. But there were a few plays when my assignment had me taking him head on. Here is a clear memory of those plays: For the first and only time during those years I felt vulnerable to injury. Why? Because when his superior strength opposed my relative weakness, I had less control over my body and how it reacted. It was forced into awkward positions.

Ohio, especially its DL and OL, too often seem "out-strengthed" by opposing linemen. If that perception is accurate, then to me there is little doubt that Ohio linemen are more susceptible to injury.

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RE: Weak

Posted: 9/5/2013 10:18:30 AM

Mike Johnson wrote:

For whatever reason Sonny Sano has his supporters here despite this organization being plagued with season-ruining injuries nearly every single season.

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RE: Weak

Posted: 9/5/2013 10:20:29 AM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Where is your data that OHIO is weak? purely observation? Doesn't Coach Sano post testing results? And seems that every summer guys salivate over the "strength" of these players. I need more data than they "look weak".

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RE: Weak

Posted: 9/5/2013 10:21:25 AM

Tim Burke wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:

For whatever reason Sonny Sano has his supporters here despite this organization being plagued with season-ruining injuries nearly every single season.

Sano obviously has Frank's support, and I'm pretty sure Frank is more capable of making program decisions than any of us, so I'll go with it.

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RE: Weak

Posted: 9/5/2013 10:27:52 AM

Oh oh...Looks like more pish-toshing.

My "data?"

* The seemingly never-ending avalanche of serious injuries to our OL and DL, especially to knees.
* The chronic inability of Ohio DL to create a pass rush. Too often our DL look like kids trying to get past those opposing OL "bullies."

To me, lifting results are less consequential than what takes place - and can be observed - on the field.

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