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  Message Not Read  Start Fundraising Now (NT)
   Posted: 10/30/2010 7:26:15 PM 

Last Edited: 10/30/2010 10:10:49 PM by Speak up Now
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I_Need_Zoloft
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 7:54:04 PM 
Dear valued member since 10/30/2010;

Solich gets a 10% bonus if he wins a MAC championship or Bowl game roughly valued at $40,000, according to the Athens Messenger.  In my mind, when they win a big game, the LOVE will be shown.  This is of course in addition to the minimum $400,000/yr salary already paid to him. 

Solich contract breakdown

Base Salary 330,000
Radio/TV compensation 70,000
SUV Rental/Golf Membership 10,000
Incentive Package Maximum 215,000

Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.
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Bobcat Love
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 8:05:43 PM 
I find this solicitation utterly offensive, and I'll expound on that when I have more time. Very poor taste though.

You do realize that unemployment currently hovers around 10% in this country and most of us live in a state that has been pounded by the recession?

Speak up now....wow, no problem. I'll do it....against this crazy post. More to follow, but good god is this a ridiculous post.

Last Edited: 10/30/2010 8:06:41 PM by Bobcat Love
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 8:05:48 PM 

Last Edited: 10/30/2010 10:11:15 PM by Speak up Now
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Flomo-genized
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 10:00:19 PM 
I can't help but question why we should feel compelled to pay out bonuses simply on the basis of going to a bottom tier bowl game, one that we lost I might add, when 58% of all Division I-A teams go bowling, and the university lost tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of dollars in the process.  I doubt that many posters here receive a bonus at work for doing something that over half of their peers accomplish as well. 

In this day and age, going to a bowl game isn't so much an accomplishment, as not going to one is a failure.

Last Edited: 10/30/2010 10:02:58 PM by Flomo-genized
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 10:15:32 PM 
Wow.....you all missed the point completely and are total idiots. It's so hypocritical to appear as though you care about the success of the team, but knock down posts that you disagree with. Why are you even on here? 
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 10:52:30 PM 
I hope he gets every penny!  GO OHIO!
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   Posted: 10/30/2010 11:48:18 PM 
Gallia Cat wrote:
I hope he gets every penny!  GO OHIO!


Me too, and more!  I think the idea of the thread was to encourage thinking out of the box and for the need for additional athletic fund raising.  You may considered it obscene, BL, but there is a need and there are already efforts aimed at enhancing our athletic coffers.  We should all try to do our part if we are true OHIO fans.  In bad economic times we should try hard and dig deeper into our own pockets.  GO OHIO!

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I_Need_Zoloft
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 12:22:32 AM 
Speak up Now wrote:
Why are you even on here? 


coming from a poster who joined today...

Why would you label anyone who questions the wisdom of paying bonuses on lost games to folks making over a half million dollars a year in an economy with double digit unemployment as a total idiot? Get some perspective.
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Bobcat Love
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 2:09:21 AM 
Where are the original posts? Stand by your statements.

A. I should pony up for bonuses for a staff that has lost two MAC Championships and won Zero?
B. I should pony up for bonuses for a staff that has made a conscious decision to schedule terrible OOC games year after year for the next 5 years?
C. I should pony up for bonuses for a staff that consciously chose to play Marshall (blah) in a middling bowl game last year?
D. I should pony up for bonuses for a staff after I'm constantly bombarded for monetary requests by the athletic department for this, that, and the other?

Absolutely abhorrent. No. No. No. Let me preface this by saying I really like Frank Solich and the job he's done, but for some random jagoff to get on here and lobby the masses to pay bonuses to the Assistant Coaches is past ridiculous. Like my comments A-D above and Flomo's comments....what have you really done? Get me to a National Championship game or a BCS bowl and then we'll talk......beating Kent State like a drum every year really doesn't cut it.

Let me tell you how the real world works...you negotiate these numbers ahead of time....before you sign on the dotted line. It happens at my work and hopefully it happens within the framework of collegiate athletics. You don't come clawing for money after the fact. I don't do it, and really...you shouldn't either.

I am seriously offended by this poster. My personal guess is that it is a wife of an Assistant Coach who is unhappy with the bonus (or lack thereof) garnered by her husband.  Again, in the real world - we negotiate these things prior to signing a contract. We don't sign the contract, do the job, then call supporters for a handout. Shameful. Really shameful.

Let me look at what's important to me:

1. Have you scheduled appropriately? - No. I don't need to beat this horse.
2. Have you beaten Ohio State? - No. 0 for 2.
3. Have you been to a real bowl game? - No. Pizza and GMAC.
4. Have you won a MAC Title? - No.

What the hell am I supposed to start shelling out money for?????

Seriously, where is the original post? Absolutely yellow to pull it down. Just yellow. Let's have the discussion, and have it right.

We're idiots? No, we're the ones footing the bills, and coming from this particular booster - I expect more.


Last Edited: 10/31/2010 2:10:00 AM by Bobcat Love
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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Start Fundraising Now
   Posted: 10/31/2010 12:47:42 PM 
What the heck was the original post?  All I saw was the subject line with the NT notation.  

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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 2:34:10 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:


Let me tell you how the real world works...you negotiate these numbers ahead of time....before you sign on the dotted line. It happens at my work and hopefully it happens within the framework of collegiate athletics. You don't come clawing for money after the fact. I don't do it, and really...you shouldn't either.

I am seriously offended by this poster. My personal guess is that it is a wife of an Assistant Coach who is unhappy with the bonus (or lack thereof) garnered by her husband.  Again, in the real world - we negotiate these things prior to signing a contract. We don't sign the contract, do the job, then call supporters for a handout.




This may or may not be an accurate summary of finance for high level athletics in the modern world.

And given the no-concern-at-all attitude shown by many businesses for their employees, it's difficult to say that one shouldn't use one's leverage to get paid what one can, especially given the limited number of prime years in the working career.  (I am not at all saying that is the case here.)


And, if the bonus achievement levels were built into the contract when it was first signed, on what basis can anyone complain?

Last Edited: 10/31/2010 2:35:45 PM by Monroe Slavin

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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 2:53:43 PM 
If you give to the Bobcat Club, you are already contributing to coaching bonuses.  If you'd like that pool of money to be larger, just donate more to the Bobcat Club.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 2:53:46 PM 
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:


Let me tell you how the real world works...you negotiate these numbers ahead of time....before you sign on the dotted line. It happens at my work and hopefully it happens within the framework of collegiate athletics. You don't come clawing for money after the fact. I don't do it, and really...you shouldn't either.

I am seriously offended by this poster. My personal guess is that it is a wife of an Assistant Coach who is unhappy with the bonus (or lack thereof) garnered by her husband.  Again, in the real world - we negotiate these things prior to signing a contract. We don't sign the contract, do the job, then call supporters for a handout.




This may or may not be an accurate summary of finance for high level athletics in the modern world.

And given the no-concern-at-all attitude shown by many businesses for their employees, it's difficult to say that one shouldn't use one's leverage to get paid what one can, especially given the limited number of prime years in the working career.  (I am not at all saying that is the case here.)


And, if the bonus achievement levels were built into the contract when it was first signed, on what basis can anyone complain?



How can we finance future success if we can't finance the moderate level of success we're having now? This program simply will never be what we want. The attendance yesterday proves that.
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 3:23:26 PM 
I_Need_Zoloft wrote:


Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.




Not that cheap to live in Athens.

Last Edited: 10/31/2010 3:23:59 PM by Dietz80

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   Posted: 10/31/2010 4:34:13 PM 
Dietz80 wrote:
I_Need_Zoloft wrote:


Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.




Not that cheap to live in Athens.


Does it even matter when you make 1500% the average American salary?

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   Posted: 10/31/2010 5:28:18 PM 
I_Need_Zoloft wrote:

Solich contract breakdown

Base Salary 330,000
Radio/TV compensation 70,000
SUV Rental/Golf Membership 10,000
Incentive Package Maximum 215,000

Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.


According to a press release dating back to November of 2003, OUr man Frank made a bounty on top of what he currently makes at Ohio. "He was paid an annual base salary of $321,260, with another $518,000 in guaranteed supplemental compensation."

Total  Guaranteed Package Value (Before Bowl and Big 12 Championship compensation): $839,260

Total Guaranteed Package Value Adjusted for Inflation (Using CP Index '03-'10): $996,343.02

Let me start by saying Frank Solich is the BEST case scenario Ohio University football fans could have asked for as a head football coach... and we got him at day after Thanksgiving prices. I would go further to say the whole mess was a miracle. Don't let these past 5 years ruin your sound judgement. Do not be that weak Ohio State type of fan that will never be happy, never satisfied, never uses perspective. We were awful and there was no reason to be hopeful!

Even in the best case scenario where Ohio makes both the MAC championship and Bowl game, Solich is making just 63% of what he was paid (guaranteed) when he was asked to leave Lincoln. Economic times or no economic times, this man is over-qualified for this job and this pay scale.

So insert the Love comments or any art professor/ Post comments here and I will respond. Yes were playing for the Joe Schmo Bowl after winning the Joe the Plumber Conference Championship, but that's what we're tied to, and so is Frank. This has not changed and it probably never will unless OU leaves the MAC. So by "Real Bowl" you must mean a BCS bowl. Only the Tostitos, Orange, and Sugar Bowl have at-large tie ins. That means Ohio University must be one of the top three teams out of 114 not to win a Big Six conference to get into these "Real Bowls". Well that might be a reasonable expectation if Frank Solich was one of the top 3 highest paid coaches in college football instead of the 4th highest paid coach in the MAC. He has a salary that's less than half of his Big 6 peers.

As far as scheduling goes, that's what he's paid to do. It's safe to say a respectable university, Nebraska, used sound judgement in the hiring and developing of Frank. And it's safe to say that university trusted his judgement enough to pay him a million a year. I too trust he knows what he's doing when he brings in the Ragin' Cajun's. I would argue that a lesser  university asking for Solich's expertise would be inclined to pay him more than was he was paid at his Big 12 job. Imagine if the CEO of Apple came to work at Tractor Supply as the CEO and took a 40% pay cut. Is the grass really always green on the other side for you cholo's?

Moral of the story is... if you want to come on here and try and take away from what Frank has done for this University, establish a unit price first. What are you willing to pay per win ($$$/games won)? What are you willing to pay per BCS home opponent ($$$$/Purdue)? If you want to talk dollars talk dollars.

Some of you people remind me of my time at Best Buy as a TV salesman. (Enter middle-aged man and wife) "We want a really good TV, it doesn't have to be huge, but it has to be as good as Sony but not at the Sony price though, "we're on a budget"." You know what that couple always walked away with? Insignia. Insignia is not as good as Sony.

Go hug a tree if you're not down with Frank.

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Last Edited: 10/31/2010 5:40:49 PM by The Situation
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 7:04:30 PM 
Dietz80 wrote:
I_Need_Zoloft wrote:


Total Package Value 625,000
Considering the cost of living in Athens, I'm guessing this stretches even farther.




Not that cheap to live in Athens.
Have you lived elsewhere?  Athens surely doesn't tip the scales on the cost of living.
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 7:58:15 PM 
The issue is not Frank's compensation. The issue is the unbelievable post that was placed on this thread by someone pleading with us to start fundraising now for some sort of bonus pool for the Assistant Coaches.

This post mysteriously disappeared and the poster subsequently called me and others "idiots" after they took their post down.

I'm not kidding, this is absolutely egregious use of this site. As someone above said, we make a forced donation to the Ohio Bobcat Club each year as season ticket holders. If you have an issue with compensation:

A. You should have negotiated a better agreement PRIOR to taking this job. (As the rest of us do in life)
B. You need to take up your issues with Jim Schaus or whoever is designating the use of the OBC funds.

We give them money, they designate where it goes unless we designate it prior to making the donation.

I just find it very bizarre that this post is now gone. It was a dandy, let me tell ya.
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Ohio69
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:09:37 PM 

I liked the original post.

Athletics should start fundraising now.  Those who can should donate money.

Bonuses for hoops and football coaches are standard operating procedure at every Div I university.  If you don't like it, good luck finding a program to support.

Speak Up Now:  Don't fear Bobcat Love and his one man sophomoric band.  And spend much effort arguing with him either.  He's not worth your time.









Last Edited: 10/31/2010 8:12:09 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:11:56 PM 
So you are saying we should direct funds away from the IPF and move it squarely to personnel bonuses?

Just trying to get clarity on the direction everyone wants to head here.

You realize we're lucky to be able to afford salaries at this point, much less bonuses?

What world are you people living in? Must be nice hanging out on Neptune with the martians....

Read Flomo's post and then explain to me why we are contemplating bonus payments for being right in the middle of FBS football programs. Shouldn't a bonus be a reward for being in at least the top 1/3 of programs?

Not beating up on a schedule ranked 100 by Sagarin. Wow.

Last Edited: 10/31/2010 8:14:09 PM by Bobcat Love
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:14:59 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
So you are saying we should direct funds away from the IPF and move it squarely to personnel bonuses?


I assume the bonuses are already accounted for in Athletics budget.  And, if not, I'm sure the development folks can walk and chew gum at the same time when it comes to an indoor practice facility and meeting other fundraising goals including contractual obligations like bonuses.




Last Edited: 10/31/2010 8:15:26 PM by Ohio69

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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:23:51 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
So you are saying we should direct funds away from the IPF and move it squarely to personnel bonuses?


I assume the bonuses are already accounted for in Athletics budget.  And, if not, I'm sure the development folks can walk and chew gum at the same time when it comes to an indoor practice facility and meeting other fundraising goals including contractual obligations like bonuses.


Wasn't there an argument in the original post that we couldn't pay for the Assistant's families to get to Detroit for the bowl game last year?

No offense, but I travel at least 12 days of the month for work. It sucks. I hate it and I hate leaving my family. However, I've yet to meet a fellow employee at the middle manager level who demands that his wife and kids are allowed to travel with him at company expense.

"Yeah Boss, I'm leaving for Sioux Falls tomorrow at 6am. Big meeting at 2pm. Flight wasn't that great though. Even worse, my wife and kids had to take a later flight for a couple hundred dollars more. Good thing I could get multiple rooms at the Hampton Inn though. We'll probably all go to Outback tonight for dinner and a few beers. I'll make sure I get everything on my expense report."

When did we become the travel agency and money pool for families of University employees to get on the dole for travel? This whole thing is absolutely crazy to me.

People obviously aren't writing checks for the crummy IPF b/c they see that the Administration and Football Department don't want to take things to the next level. The commitment just isn't there. Why would those same donors then turn around and start showering money on Assistants for losing MAC Championship games and Bowl Games ranked as the worst in the country?

Just admit I'm right and move on. It's so much easier that way.
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:37:02 PM 
I'm bummed I missed the original post. Sounds like it was a good one..
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 10/31/2010 8:42:46 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
So you are saying we should direct funds away from the IPF and move it squarely to personnel bonuses?


I assume the bonuses are already accounted for in Athletics budget.  And, if not, I'm sure the development folks can walk and chew gum at the same time when it comes to an indoor practice facility and meeting other fundraising goals including contractual obligations like bonuses.






69, bonuses are paid with OBC funds unless those contributions have been designated.  A worse case scenario would be if all OBC funds were designated, there would be no money for bonuses.
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