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Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/1/2023 9:25:30 PM

I already liked Ohio’s chances vs ISU, now I really like them. He started every game last season and threw for over 3,000 yards and better than 66%. Massive blow to the Cyclones.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38117323...

Last Edited: 8/1/2023 9:32:41 PM by OhioBobcat

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 9:05:22 AM

I wouldn't get too excited quite yet, that's still a team full big BIG 12 athletes. I'm sure QB2 is no slouch.

They return some good players on the FOURTH ranked defense in the entire country last season.

They're still gonna be tough. Will probably still be favored 2-3 TD.

Last Edited: 8/9/2023 9:45:23 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 9:44:48 AM

It looks like there is a real problem within the program. As is many of these cases there could be more info and possible athletes involved.
Stay tuned the story is not over.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 10:24:41 AM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

They return some good players on the FOURTH ranked defense in the entire country last season.

I have told people that was probably the best defense in the Big XII and have gotten some funny looks. It was the most efficient even after adjusting for opponent strength. You can still make an argument for KSU or Texas because there reaches a point where your offense is so much worse than most of the offenses on your schedule that the opponent stops worrying about scoring and more about running out the clock.

Most years I calculate the most lopsided team in the country as in who in the FBS would have the highest and lowest over/under if they could play themself. Iowa St. was the most defensively lopsided but not but a huge margin because Iowa was very lopsided too. I have that Iowa St. would have been projected to score 8.5 points against itself. That's a crazy low total but haven't looked to see if it the lowest in my data going back to the Division 1 split in 1978. I am sure that it is up there. Iowa and Iowa St. played each other and Iowa, who had beaten S. Dakota St. 7-3 the prior week on the strength of their punter pinning SDSU an unbelievable number of times, won 10-7. It must have been painful to watch.

They scored 43 points against Ohio which was their most on the season. After about 6 weeks I had Ohio as the most offensively lopsided team in the FBS. We did not finish anywhere close to first (32nd).

EDIT: ISU beat Iowa 10-7 and not the other way around.

Last Edited: 8/2/2023 1:10:31 PM by Victory

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 10:58:25 AM

With legalized sports betting all the rage these days, I suspect that we are going to see a lot more of this type of situation in college athletics, particularly football and basketball. Point shaving scandals will probably not be far behind.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 11:32:47 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

The legalization of sports betting just makes it possible to catch people who are doing this.

We'll see more cases, but I don't think that necessarily means it's happening more, rather that the infrastructure exists to regulate and monitor sports betting in a way that brings this activity to light.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 12:47:41 PM

And now another story about an Iowa kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/iowa-kick... /

Word is he bet the under on the Iowa-Iowa State game and won. LMFAO.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 1:09:15 PM

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And now another story about an Iowa kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/iowa-kick... /

Word is he bet the under on the Iowa-Iowa State game and won. LMFAO.

If you are a kicker and you take the under that almost feels like betting against your team. He was 0-1 on Field Goals and 1-1 on XP. The FG he missed was 48 yards and would have sent it into OT.

I got it wrong in my earlier post. ISU won that game 10-7. The O/U on this game was 39 so it was really never in doubt but who know what happens if there are a bunch of overtimes. 39 is really low but I don't think anywhere near as low as it would have been if played a few weeks later and Vegas had a better indication of just how abnormal these two teams were. I'm pretty sure it would have easily set the record or the lowest O/U in college history and would have been in the twenties.

Betting is so common with some of these kids today that you'd hope that this wasn't an amount any more than his other bets and he just did it hardly thinking about it and maybe it didn't even cross his mind while on the field. Still, no matter what this sort of thing just can't be allowed. I've heard people wonder how committing a felony is often a lesser suspension than betting. But a crime is against society and society will punish you far more than the game will. Betting is a crime against the game and it can destroy the game.

EDIT: I was wrong once again. The game in question is the 2021 game in which he did not play.

Last Edited: 8/2/2023 2:02:06 PM by Victory

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 1:22:13 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

What was his log in name? HunterDekkersQB. Further proof we're not surrounding these kids with the proper guidance. At least use Dunter Hekkers. Cmon man.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 1:30:34 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

What was his log in name? HunterDekkersQB. Further proof we're not surrounding these kids with the proper guidance. At least use Dunter Hekkers. Cmon man.

I believe that DraftKings and the like require users to enable location access on their phone. Bet that these guys were making bets from campus and maybe even athletics facilities. Pretty sure that's how at least one of the NFL suspensions was flagged.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 1:42:51 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

What was his log in name? HunterDekkersQB. Further proof we're not surrounding these kids with the proper guidance. At least use Dunter Hekkers. Cmon man.

Imagine betting the under on your team... sitting in the locker room. Beautiful.

Last Edited: 8/2/2023 1:43:15 PM by M.D.W.S.T

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 2:51:18 PM

"The affidavit alleges Dekkers was under 21, the legal betting age in Iowa, when most of the bets were placed but that he disguised his identity with the help of his parents, Scott and Jami Dekkers."

This part....is just sad.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 2:55:43 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

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Surprise, surprise. We disagree. I think that not only will it be uncovered more, but that it'll be happening more. There's just a looser attitude today about betting.

A somewhat related tangent: I remember in the early 1970s when the Ohio constitutional amendment was on the ballot to allow for the creation of the Ohio Lottery, there were those who said it would only shift illegal betting to legal betting (which seemed like a good idea to me), but others warned that it would increase the number of people betting (which seemed like a bad idea to me). I could not decide which was more likely, so I left that line on the ballot blank. Knowing what I know today, I would have voted against it. What I didn't comprehend at the time was that the state lottery would run all kinds of deceptive ads encouraging folks to bet. The number of people gambling today in Ohio is astronomically higher than before the lottery was created, and many of those who do so are those who can least afford it. As someone once put it, the lottery is a tax on ignorance.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 3:09:03 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Surprise, surprise. We disagree. I think that not only will it be uncovered more, but that it'll be happening more. There's just a looser attitude today about betting.

Actually, I suspect you're probably right that gambling's more common. Almost certainly true that there's far more money bet now than 10 years ago. It's a tough comparison to make because you don't really know the baseline (hard to know with any certainty how much money moved in illegal betting markets), but access to app based gambling probably increases the number of bets made, and the percentage of people making bets.

That said, not convinced that point shaving scandals follow. I think that betting was a black market run by criminals probably increased the likelihood of point shaving scandals. In the point shaving scandals college sports has had in the past, there was basically always a member of organized crime -- usually the market maker -- approaching players with the opportunity to make easy money. That's also how it went down with the NBA Ref, if you believe his side of things.

In today's world, there's just far more transparency and visibility into betting markets and in only a few short years there have been players and coaches have been caught just making small bets. If the money moving is substantial enough to incentivize point shaving, it'll get caught pretty easily.

OhioCatFan wrote:

A somewhat related tangent: I remember in the early 1970s when the Ohio constitutional amendment was on the ballot to allow for the creation of the Ohio Lottery, there were those who said it would only shift illegal betting to legal betting (which seemed like a good idea to me), but others warned that it would increase the number of people betting (which seemed like a bad idea to me). I could not decide which was more likely, so I left that line on the ballot blank. Knowing what I know today, I would have voted against it. What I didn't comprehend at the time was that the state lottery would run all kinds of deceptive ads encouraging folks to bet. The number of people gambling today in Ohio is astronomically higher than before the lottery was created, and many of those who do so are those who can least afford it. As someone once put it, the lottery is a tax on ignorance.

Reminds me, gotta go buy a powerball ticket.

But generally, we agree about the lottery. At least in some states it funds education.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 5:27:14 PM

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Yes, I think the lottery preys on those who can least afford it and I agree that, for the most part, it can be called a tax on ignorance. To a slightly lesser extent so can sports betting. Unlike the lottery there actually is some skill involved but almost nobody has the skill to beat the house. This is actually almost more of a trap for the ignorant than the lottery because the most ignorant people are often the most prone to actually believing that the one to beat the house is going to be them without much justification of that belief. And why I say "for the most part" is there are some that are not ignorant and choose to play anyway with the understanding that they are nearly certain to lose money over time. When I go to the movies I expect to lose money. I make that decision purely for entertainment. It is possible to gamble solely for the sake of entertainment, know that you are going to lose money, budget for and be able to afford that loss, and not get addicted. But it often doesn't work like that in the end.

But I think you are also mostly harming yourself and the argument doesn't come down to just is it harmful. Even in the case where something is harmful to others and not just to yourself we also have to consider personal freedom. I mean I think that is is wrong to not call your mother but I don't think that means you should be legally required to do so. If it is only harmful to yourself then I think that it has to be very destructive before we would start limiting your ability to make your own decisions. Yes, I understand that also doesn't mean the government has to promote poor decision making themselves and that this poor decision affects your family and to a smaller extent others.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

But generally, we agree about the lottery. At least in some states it funds education.

One could argue that if the lottery is mostly a tax on ignorance then if it is doing its job in improving education then it should not be able to exist.

Last Edited: 8/2/2023 8:33:13 PM by Victory

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 5:43:36 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

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Exactly right, these people do not understand how the algorithms and such are working to detect these bets.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 6:06:26 PM

Victory wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

And now another story about an Iowa kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/iowa-kick... /

Word is he bet the under on the Iowa-Iowa State game and won. LMFAO.

I don't think he's betting against his team. I think he knows Iowa's offense under Brian Ferentz is god awful. At least he's smart about his bets.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/2/2023 8:29:57 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Victory wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

And now another story about an Iowa kicker.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/iowa-kick... /

Word is he bet the under on the Iowa-Iowa State game and won. LMFAO.

I don't think he's betting against his team. I think he knows Iowa's offense under Brian Ferentz is god awful. At least he's smart about his bets.

Yeah, that's basically what I was saying. These kids make so many little bets that I don't think that this is an unreasonable argument. In some of these cases, even if it could be interpreted as in this case as betting against yourself, it probably wasn't done with malice like suddenly making one huge bet and playing poorly to make it make good. He might of just been thinking that he was making a smart bet. But there is still no way the game can tolerate it happening.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/3/2023 10:51:25 AM

BLSS & Victory: You both make some good points. I guess we'll have to see if we end up with some point shaving scandals in the next year or two. BTC may be correct that the algorithms used will catch them quickly, but there are always people who think they can get away with cheating, and sometimes they do, or at least did in the past.

Does anyone remember the details of the point-shaving scandal at Toledo a number of years ago? If I'm remembering correctly, UT has been caught twice with basketball point shaving scandals -- one way, way back (maybe 1950s) and the other relatively more recent. This is just from memory, and as SBH will tell you, my memory is fallible.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/4/2023 8:23:33 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree. This stuff is so easy to access.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/4/2023 12:35:55 PM

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The State of Iowa doesn't care much about kids' ywell-being . They're letting under 18s work in dangerous industries such as meat packing plants and mines so long as it's part of an "educational" program.. Laughable.

We're already seeing a lot of gambling issues. Several baseball programs were hit this past spring, including Bama and I think one of the Iowa teams, because players were gambling on some pro sports. NCAA rules prohibit gambling on any sport that the NCAA regulates, no matter what level. Some of the baseball players had bet on pro football games and because the NCAA regulates college football, the players violated the rules.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/4/2023 11:36:27 PM

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spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

Sadly, the under 18 had fake ID's as many of us did in Athens. This has nothing to do with Iowa.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/9/2023 10:21:43 AM

Who needed a fake ID in Athens? We just walked right into the bars as freshmen (1979). I had the same pleasant experience at the State Liquor Store.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/9/2023 10:44:10 AM

SBH wrote:

Who needed a fake ID in Athens? We just walked right into the bars as freshmen (1979). I had the same pleasant experience at the State Liquor Store.

Perhaps you looked mature beyond your years.

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RE: Iowa State’s starting QB likely done

Posted: 8/9/2023 11:00:36 AM

SBH wrote:

Who needed a fake ID in Athens? We just walked right into the bars as freshmen (1979). I had the same pleasant experience at the State Liquor Store.

They never carded anyone in my days 1977-1981. The story I heard back then from a bar owner was that the local police know it was going on. Once every few years they would bust one of the bars. The owners knew they had to take their turn every once in a while.

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