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Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/18/2011 1:31:10 PM

I had thought a more national scheduling philosophy was the way to go with Ohio playing in CA, TX, FL recruiting grounds but I'm wondering if a strict midwest emphasis is the way to go. Ohio has only averaged about 1 Big Ten team every other year on the schedule mixed in usually with Big East and SEC. Since it is universially agreed that Big Ten football is king in the state of Ohio and that is where most Ohio alumni live shouldn't we be playing at least 2 Big Tens a year? A road game at Nebraska, OSU, Michigan, Penn State mixed in with 1 for 1's with Northwestern and Indiana type team with one Big Ten at home every year. Okay maybe a Big Ten at home isn't possible every year but also substitute in some Big East on the 1 for 1's. That would give Ohio more TV exposure on the Big Ten network and high visability throughout the non-conference season. The strong scheduling would also give Ohio if undefeated a chance to contend for a national championship and that is completely impossible with todays weak scheduling.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/18/2011 10:01:23 PM

Right. Plus you don't have to play The Vest, Jo Pa or Annie Arbor every year, or even win most of the games you do play vs. Big 6, to get recognized. NIU played Ill. & Minn. plus a mediocre Iowa State team last year. They went 1-2 against them. But then they crushed the MAC Worst and cracked the Top 25. Playing well against three Big 6 schools and beating one had to help their overall image in the minds of the voters.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/19/2011 8:33:14 AM

Pataskala wrote:

Right. Plus you don't have to play The Vest, Jo Pa or Annie Arbor every year, or even win most of the games you do play vs. Big 6, to get recognized. NIU played Ill. & Minn. plus a mediocre Iowa State team last year. They went 1-2 against them. But then they crushed the MAC Worst and cracked the Top 25. Playing well against three Big 6 schools and beating one had to help their overall image in the minds of the voters.

Yes what you are saying basically is the more cracks you take against the BCS the more times you'll end up victorious. The Ohio program as it is taking one crack a year has little chance of regularly winning against the BCS. Ohio has 4 non conference games a year, 2 of those are desired to be at home. Marshall takes 1 of those non-conference spots and in turn gives Ohio 1 home game every other year. To ensure 6 home games and keep the Marshall series in place with and additionally have generall 1 and 1 BCS approach for the remaining 3 non-conference games Ohio wouldn't have any room for big money games if it wanted 1 to 2 Big Ten schools in Peden stadium every year out of the 2 non-conference games. The only way a yearly money game could be perserved is to only have 1 Big Ten in the house every year (Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota), go on the road to Nebraska, PSU, OSU, Michigan State, and in the years we don't play Marshall at home have a FCS team in the stadium. That would make for: 1) One Big Ten team in the stadium every year, 2) The 6th home game would rotate between Marshall and a FCS squad, 3) Two Big Ten games on the road every year, one of which for big money.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/19/2011 8:43:28 AM

My philosophy would be to schedule bigger names that in a good year we can be competitive with. This type of schedule would attract excitement from current students, alumni, and recruits. If we win some we'd be taken seriously. A problem, of course, is getting these teams to play in Athens.

I'll also say again, however, that as long as the MAC stays where it is in terms of teams, our hopes of having any real success at a national level is very limited. You simply can't have as many mediocre DI teams competing for recruits in such a small geographic area. Some schools need to drop to I-AA & focus on basketball if national football competitiveness is a priority.

Priority I (no particular order)

Maryland, Virginia, Duke, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Syracuse, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt

Priority II

Ohio State (2% chance to win, but great for fans, alumni & recruiting), NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, Connecticut, Rutgers, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue, Navy, Army

Priority III

Colorado, Kansas, Colorado State, Tennessee, Notre Dame

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/19/2011 12:32:14 PM

I thinking that we schedule based upon the following criteria; income, winability, payout for visiting teams.
What with the economics situation today money games are more important than ever,
Frank is also looking at building a program that can become a consistant winner.
We do not have a large enough stadium to attract and payout $ to a BCS school.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/20/2011 4:29:45 PM

71 BOBCAT wrote:

I thinking that we schedule based upon the following criteria; income, winability, payout for visiting teams.
What with the economics situation today money games are more important than ever,
Frank is also looking at building a program that can become a consistant winner.
We do not have a large enough stadium to attract and payout $ to a BCS school.

The way it works is that when you have a school come to your stadium on a 1 and done basis, you have to payout cash to that school. When we play the likes of a Wofford, the receive in the neighborhood of 400k just to play in Athens. When the BCS schools shell out cash for the non-BCS they play upwards of 1 million dollars a game to get those schools to come in. Well that works out just fine if you are a BCS school with a huge fanbase playing in a 80,000 seat stadium. If the BCS school is only averaging 30,000 themselves that becomes a problem and it would make more sense to then go 1 for 1 with a quality non-BCS where neither school exchanges payment for a home-away 2 game series. The 1 for 1 arrangement is what Ohio has in place for Marshall and the SBC/WAC teams.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/20/2011 7:47:31 PM

genessee wrote:

Priority I (no particular order)

Maryland, Virginia, Duke, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Syracuse, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt

This is a good list up here. 1) I would set up the schedule so there is at least 1 BCS school in Peden Stadium every year. Contact every BCS school within an 8 hour radius that doesn't make money on home games and offer them a 1 for 1 series. For the Bobcats, that would be Northwestern, Illinios, Purdue, Indiana, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Maryland, Virginia, Duke, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt. Those schools would save money by a home and home arrangement with the Bobcats. 2) Annually play 1 of the large Big Ten schools a year on the road for a money game defined as Penn St, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska. This would keep the Bobcats more visible in Big Ten country. 3) Only as needed on an every other year basis to ensure 6 home games when Marshall is not on the schedule play an FCS school on the schedule instead of having a FCS every season.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/20/2011 8:26:28 PM

Some time before I started this thread, I decided to create a cast study on ECU which has implemented a policy of having local BCS schools on the schedule and the impact on attendance. The results are shockling in favor of upgrading the opponents as ECU increased football attendance from 30,000 a game to 50,000 almost exclusively independent of record. To grow attendance, it starts by getting a program on sound footing but its fueled by playing large names early to set the tone for the entire season and drive ticket demand for late season games. The chart below will show you exactly how East Carolina changed its scheduling and attendance along with it. Note that games defined with "^" are played at a neutral site counting toward attendance numbers. The low point in ECU attendance came in 2002 off a string of solid seasons, attendance dipped to under 30k when no non-conference games were played at all. The next year the team was terrible but attendance was up 11.5% with some BCS in the house. The records for ECU during this stretch are only slightly better than Ohio during the same time period.

East Carolina Attendance Study

Season	Attendance	Overall Record	Non-Conference Opponnets
2010	49,665	6-7	@Virginia Tech, @North Carolina, NC State, Navy
2009	41,742	9-5	Appy State, @West Virginia, @North Carolina, Virginia Tech
2008	42,016	9-5	^Virginia Tech, West Virginia, @NC State, @Virginia
2007	41,537	8-5	@Virginia Tech, North Carolina, @West Virginia, NC State
2006	37,168	7-6	@Navy, West Virginia, Virginia, @ NC State
2005	33,046	5-6	Duke, @Wake Forest, @West Virginia,
2004	30,684	2-9	@West Virginia, Wake Forest, ^NC State
2003	33,012	1-11	West Virginia, @Miami FL, Wake Forest
2002	29,629	4-8	@Duke, @Wake Forest, @West Virginia
2001	37,375	6-6	Wake Forest, W&M, @Syracuse, @North Carolina,
2000	36,290	8-4	@Duke, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, @West Virginia
1999	42,036	9-3	^West Virginia, Duke, @South Carolina, ^Miami FL, @UAB
1998	31,743	6-5	@Virginia Tech, Tenn-Chattanooga, @Alabama, @Ohio, UAB
1997	32,875	5-6	@West Virginia, South Carolina, @Syracuse, @NC State

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/20/2011 9:51:27 PM

I just returned from a trip to Ann Arbor today, and my friends and I that were up there were blown away by how similar Ann Arbor and Athens are to one another. Then, we drove by the Big House. Can you imagine the 110 (which was the brainchild of a former U of M section leader and director) getting to play in front of a packed stadium like that? I'm surprised Michigan hasn't been mentioned more as an out of conference possibility, unless there's been a sour history there in the past.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/20/2011 11:32:19 PM

We pay $400,000 for a non-BCS team's visit to Peden? Could be but that sounds way high. I'd expect about half that, tops.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/21/2011 9:30:47 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

If the BCS school is only averaging 30,000 themselves that becomes a problem and it would make more sense to then go 1 for 1 with a quality non-BCS where neither school exchanges payment for a home-away 2 game series. The 1 for 1 arrangement is what Ohio has in place for Marshall and the SBC/WAC teams.

I agree, but the problem is that Solich is apparently only willing to play one BCS level opponent per year. Therefore, if we went with a one-for-one, we'd lose out on the money game payday we need each year to meet revenues. So until Solich is willing to play a more challenging schedule, I don't think it's happening.

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RE: Scheduling Philosophy

Posted: 3/23/2011 1:05:27 AM

Uncle Wes wrote:

71 BOBCAT wrote:

I thinking that we schedule based upon the following criteria; income, winability, payout for visiting teams.
What with the economics situation today money games are more important than ever,
Frank is also looking at building a program that can become a consistant winner.
We do not have a large enough stadium to attract and payout $ to a BCS school.

The way it works is that when you have a school come to your stadium on a 1 and done basis, you have to payout cash to that school. When we play the likes of a Wofford, the receive in the neighborhood of 400k just to play in Athens. When the BCS schools shell out cash for the non-BCS they play upwards of 1 million dollars a game to get those schools to come in. Well that works out just fine if you are a BCS school with a huge fanbase playing in a 80,000 seat stadium. If the BCS school is only averaging 30,000 themselves that becomes a problem and it would make more sense to then go 1 for 1 with a quality non-BCS where neither school exchanges payment for a home-away 2 game series. The 1 for 1 arrangement is what Ohio has in place for Marshall and the SBC/WAC teams.

Wes you had better check your facts, we are not close to 400k for a non-league opponent to come to Athens.

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