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Author Message Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/21/2025 9:02:08 PM  Let's just do a public examination of how bad (or good) this really is. We all know the Ohio State $1.9 Million is already an atrocity, but I'm willing to have an educated discussion about Cromer, Gonzalez, and my perception that they DO NOT have the University's best financial interests at heart, especially as Cromer pursues her P4 job. People have hinted that allegedly the WVU contract is abysmal and reeks of poor judgement, but we have never seen it in black and white. I have donated consistently to the Ohio Bobcat Club (I believe I am one of 10-15 donors who has donated to the OBC from Day 1) -> and I will be there long after this current administration departs. Hell, I've already outlasted Mac, Boeh, Schaus, Joke-Cutt, and I'll keep going long after Cromer is feeding at the 479 Trough. Someone find and post the contracts (or send them to me via PM), and I'll start the discussion. They should all be in the public domain. Let's go. Time to put up or shut up. There's millions at stake for Ohio, I don't give a damn who wants to go work in the SEC or Big 10, and I'm certainly not out to line the pockets of Greg Sankey, Tony Pettiti, or Ross Bjork. I care about Ohio, first and foremost. Let's take the gloves off. LOVE Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,711 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 8:55:34 AM  FOIA? Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 9:13:12 AM  So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 9:47:58 AM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc We improved on Kent’s terrible work? Um, great job. Julie put earrings on the hog. Go away dude. You have no charisma, no intellect, and honestly - you are stale. Post the contracts. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 10:25:43 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc We improved on Kent’s terrible work? Um, great job. Julie put earrings on the hog. Go away dude. You have no charisma, no intellect, and honestly - you are stale. Post the contracts. Embarrassed by facts and logic and you lash out like a child. No surprise here. I just posted the contracts. We got a 26% higher rate than other MAC schools. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 10:39:43 AM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc We improved on Kent’s terrible work? Um, great job. Julie put earrings on the hog. Go away dude. You have no charisma, no intellect, and honestly - you are stale. Post the contracts. Embarrassed by facts and logic and you lash out like a child. No surprise here. I just posted the contracts. We got a 26% higher rate than other MAC schools. You posted the contracts??? Where? Nobody cares how interesting the games are. It’s about inventory. The G5 has inventory of games and the P4 needs the inventory, and can’t survive without it. Keep up you dolt, adults are talking here. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 10:53:05 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc We improved on Kent’s terrible work? Um, great job. Julie put earrings on the hog. Go away dude. You have no charisma, no intellect, and honestly - you are stale. Post the contracts. Embarrassed by facts and logic and you lash out like a child. No surprise here. I just posted the contracts. We got a 26% higher rate than other MAC schools. You posted the contracts??? Where? Nobody cares how interesting the games are. It’s about inventory. The G5 has inventory of games and the P4 needs the inventory, and can’t survive without it. Keep up you dolt, adults are talking here. Really? Cause it seems like you're just crying to yourself like always while actual adults ignore you. You've been given the facts, again, like a child, and choose to ignore them. How on earth you've reached these fatuous thoughts with literally no argument or fact-based musings other than again - you have money, me want money - has long grown dull and boring. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,185 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 11:03:36 AM  Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: So other than just yapping, what is your proposal? What leverage do we have? What do we bring to the table? Other than "you HAVE money, we WANT money... give us money"... Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M I'll just stop there, can someone get Cromer, Gonzalez on the line? BL wants to apologize. OU was able to get a 26% raise on the going rate? Incredible work. Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc We improved on Kent’s terrible work? Um, great job. Julie put earrings on the hog. Go away dude. You have no charisma, no intellect, and honestly - you are stale. Post the contracts. Embarrassed by facts and logic and you lash out like a child. No surprise here. I just posted the contracts. We got a 26% higher rate than other MAC schools. You posted the contracts??? Where? Nobody cares how interesting the games are. It’s about inventory. The G5 has inventory of games and the P4 needs the inventory, and can’t survive without it. Keep up you dolt, adults are talking here. This smells of "Mexico will pay for every penny of the wall." Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,140 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 12:53:51 PM  Quote: Gonzalez also highlighted the recent successes of Ohio University’s football team, which won the 2024 Cure Bowl and its first Mid-American Conference Championship since 1968 in December of last year and also its new head coach, Brian Smith. She said the GPA of Ohio University’s football team is the highest in the program’s history at 3.02. “We are really fortunate to have him at the helm of our football team,” Gonzalez said. “Students want to come to a school while your teams are winning, so this will be a defining feature for us in that way.” https://www.athensmessenger.com/news/president-gonzalez-g... Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,362 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 1:52:22 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. Last Edited: 1/22/2025 1:53:21 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 2:21:02 PM  GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. Last Edited: 1/22/2025 2:25:19 PM by M.D.W.S.T Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 2:57:21 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. Even as Alabama’s AD just said they want more non-P4 non conference games….but continue your drivel, Slappy White. You literally wouldn’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,362 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 3:04:29 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. There's only so many buy games to go around for the Power Four to choose from and if they want to sniff the CFP what is the easiest thing to do? Schedule more easier wins at home. Now, depending on who you ask, some people think more OOC games between power schools are coming for television. Maybe, but they also want to pad their stats and coffers with home game Ws. If the argument against this is maybe eventually the top tier breaks away and only schedules each other, I think that's a completely seperate argument for a different day. But that's obviously not happening in the nearest of near futures. The gap between what revenue a Group of Five team makes compared to a Power Four team makes grows every season. "In 2005, the average power conference football program generated about $10.9 million in annual revenue, compared with about $4.4 million for the average Group of 5 team. By the 2022-23 academic year, that gap in football revenue had grown to more than $30 million -- a more than four-fold increase." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41207867... Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 3:50:22 PM  GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. There's only so many buy games to go around for the Power Four to choose from and if they want to sniff the CFP what is the easiest thing to do? Schedule more easier wins at home. Now, depending on who you ask, some people think more OOC games between power schools are coming for television. Maybe, but they also want to pad their stats and coffers with home game Ws. If the argument against this is maybe eventually the top tier breaks away and only schedules each other, I think that's a completely seperate argument for a different day. But that's obviously not happening in the nearest of near futures. The gap between what revenue a Group of Five team makes compared to a Power Four team makes grows every season. "In 2005, the average power conference football program generated about $10.9 million in annual revenue, compared with about $4.4 million for the average Group of 5 team. By the 2022-23 academic year, that gap in football revenue had grown to more than $30 million -- a more than four-fold increase." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41207867... Again. You have money, me want money is not an argument. Rolling over a team at home is not hard to find. BL this 2nd account is almost as embarrassing as your main. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 4:52:12 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. There's only so many buy games to go around for the Power Four to choose from and if they want to sniff the CFP what is the easiest thing to do? Schedule more easier wins at home. Now, depending on who you ask, some people think more OOC games between power schools are coming for television. Maybe, but they also want to pad their stats and coffers with home game Ws. If the argument against this is maybe eventually the top tier breaks away and only schedules each other, I think that's a completely seperate argument for a different day. But that's obviously not happening in the nearest of near futures. The gap between what revenue a Group of Five team makes compared to a Power Four team makes grows every season. "In 2005, the average power conference football program generated about $10.9 million in annual revenue, compared with about $4.4 million for the average Group of 5 team. By the 2022-23 academic year, that gap in football revenue had grown to more than $30 million -- a more than four-fold increase." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41207867... Again. You have money, me want money is not an argument. Rolling over a team at home is not hard to find. BL this 2nd account is almost as embarrassing as your main. Ted, Ryan, Jeff.....can we possibly administer a 3rd Grade level proficiency test before we allow people to post on this board. We have some absolute morons in our presence. Seriously, if you are an illiterate carpetbagger like MDWST, you shouldn't be allowed to have a drivers license, BA account, or the right to vote. My god, the stupidity is off the charts. "You have money, we want money is not an argument" "I'm sure Duke is dying to join the MAC" Does this moron have an original thought? It's dumbassery on the lowest scale with this clown. Don't get pissed that some people are starting to come around to the level of critical thinking where I've been operating for decades. Maybe have the lobotomy reversed and you can join us in some basic problem solving. This is about inventory, not a re-distribution of wealth - MORON. I'm done with you. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 5:10:46 PM  While we're at it, we should see the Nebraska and Illinois contracts as well. I would assume that there is a sliding payment in there that would have Ohio take home an amount commensurate with the future value of the game from when the contracts were signed. If we signed a contract in 2020 (under Cromer's watch) for a 2027 Nebraska game, I would assume there are clauses for the Ohio payment to increase in value, as Nebraska's CFP and Big 10 payouts increased. Nebraska made $143 Million in 2022 and $200 Million in 2023....should our payment remain stagnant in the face of those revenue increases on the backs of our labor? To me, this is a minimum $8 Million Game. Not a penny less. If Nebraska doesn't like it, they have two choices. They can play Nebraska-Kearney and give their fans ZERO entertainment....OR....they can bring in Texas A&M for a Home and Home and take an early loss to put their CFP hopes in jeopardy. Pick your posion. If you think this kind of financial management is normal or competant - we have much bigger issues at this place. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 5:56:13 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. There's only so many buy games to go around for the Power Four to choose from and if they want to sniff the CFP what is the easiest thing to do? Schedule more easier wins at home. Now, depending on who you ask, some people think more OOC games between power schools are coming for television. Maybe, but they also want to pad their stats and coffers with home game Ws. If the argument against this is maybe eventually the top tier breaks away and only schedules each other, I think that's a completely seperate argument for a different day. But that's obviously not happening in the nearest of near futures. The gap between what revenue a Group of Five team makes compared to a Power Four team makes grows every season. "In 2005, the average power conference football program generated about $10.9 million in annual revenue, compared with about $4.4 million for the average Group of 5 team. By the 2022-23 academic year, that gap in football revenue had grown to more than $30 million -- a more than four-fold increase." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41207867... Again. You have money, me want money is not an argument. Rolling over a team at home is not hard to find. BL this 2nd account is almost as embarrassing as your main. Ted, Ryan, Jeff.....can we possibly administer a 3rd Grade level proficiency test before we allow people to post on this board. We have some absolute morons in our presence. Seriously, if you are an illiterate carpetbagger like MDWST, you shouldn't be allowed to have a drivers license, BA account, or the right to vote. My god, the stupidity is off the charts. "You have money, we want money is not an argument" "I'm sure Duke is dying to join the MAC" Does this moron have an original thought? It's dumbassery on the lowest scale with this clown. Don't get pissed that some people are starting to come around to the level of critical thinking where I've been operating for decades. Maybe have the lobotomy reversed and you can join us in some basic problem solving. This is about inventory, not a re-distribution of wealth - MORON. I'm done with you. Your third grade read level and room temperature IQ are no match for us. You have - once again - embarrassed yourself and continue to lash out because your inferiority complex can’t process a rational thought. It’s sad to watch the spiral. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,718 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 6:14:29 PM  Bobcat Love wrote: To me, this is a minimum $8 Million Game. Not a penny less. YoUvE oNlY gOt TwO oPtIoNs ! PlaY aNy oF tHe nEaRlY tWo HuNdReD OtHeR D1 sChOoLs OuTsIdE tHe PoWeR fIVe oR PlAy A bRaNcH cAmPuS aNd NoT gIvE tHeM a ShOw ! I DeMaNd EiGhT bIlLiOn DoLlArSsSs LMAOOOOOOOO Delete this goobers account and call the authorities. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,013 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 8:50:48 PM  Have no idea what Rutgers deal is but I've heard Ohio State is $1.9 Million. I have also heard WVU is a three game series for a net of $1 million for the total of this three game series. This is what I have been told. Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,193 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 9:24:17 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat Love wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: GoCats105 wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Here are some recent pay-games. 2024: Ohio State - Kent State: $1.5M Just for fun... Notre Dame paid NIU $1.4M Those games have a ceiling on revenue, they're not marquee match-ups and don't bring in as much money. That would be obvious to most people. OU doesn't bring the bargaining power or money as even a bottom tier power five team that travels better or drives more interest... even a game against Purdue you have a larger crowd that spends more money on tickets, parking, concessions, tv ads, etc They might have a ceiling, but the ceiling should absolutely be raised. Big Ten schools are about to make $100 MILLION per year, per school in their new media package. One. Hundred. Million. This is almost doubling the amount they've received in the previous deal. The value they've given to schools in the past was based off the old media package. And that doesn't even count the other revenue on top that Ohio State, by far the biggest brand in college sports, brings in on annual basis through gate receipts, merchandise, etc. $1.9 million is peanuts compared to what they could or perhaps should pay. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34417911... "The Big Ten is projected to eventually distribute $80 million to $100 million per year to each of its 16 members. According to USA Today, the league distributed $54.3 million to most of its members during the most recent fiscal year (2019-20) not impacted by the coronavirus pandemic." Those $100 million payments kick in Year 3, which, wouldn't you know it, is 2025. That’s just not how anything works. Does OU drive ticket sales, parking revenue, concessions, tv audiences? Again, “you have money, me want money” is not a sound argument. The fact of the matter is these pay games are going to become less and less, not more. Because they don’t drive additional revenue. Simple fact. Ohio State playing OU or any G5 for that matter doesn’t move the needle. It’s not a quality win. There is no true incentive for OSU to increase any payouts. And saying but but but we want $3M to lose ! is not an argument. They’ll just go down to the next taker. If they consider another G5 opponent at all. There's only so many buy games to go around for the Power Four to choose from and if they want to sniff the CFP what is the easiest thing to do? Schedule more easier wins at home. Now, depending on who you ask, some people think more OOC games between power schools are coming for television. Maybe, but they also want to pad their stats and coffers with home game Ws. If the argument against this is maybe eventually the top tier breaks away and only schedules each other, I think that's a completely seperate argument for a different day. But that's obviously not happening in the nearest of near futures. The gap between what revenue a Group of Five team makes compared to a Power Four team makes grows every season. "In 2005, the average power conference football program generated about $10.9 million in annual revenue, compared with about $4.4 million for the average Group of 5 team. By the 2022-23 academic year, that gap in football revenue had grown to more than $30 million -- a more than four-fold increase." https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/41207867... Again. You have money, me want money is not an argument. Rolling over a team at home is not hard to find. BL this 2nd account is almost as embarrassing as your main. Ted, Ryan, Jeff.....can we possibly administer a 3rd Grade level proficiency test before we allow people to post on this board. We have some absolute morons in our presence. Seriously, if you are an illiterate carpetbagger like MDWST, you shouldn't be allowed to have a drivers license, BA account, or the right to vote. My god, the stupidity is off the charts. "You have money, we want money is not an argument" "I'm sure Duke is dying to join the MAC" Does this moron have an original thought? It's dumbassery on the lowest scale with this clown. Don't get pissed that some people are starting to come around to the level of critical thinking where I've been operating for decades. Maybe have the lobotomy reversed and you can join us in some basic problem solving. This is about inventory, not a re-distribution of wealth - MORON. I'm done with you. Your third grade read level and room temperature IQ are no match for us. You have - once again - embarrassed yourself and continue to lash out because your inferiority complex can’t process a rational thought. It’s sad to watch the spiral. Solid grammar. Very solid. "Your third grade read level" - maybe that earns passing marks in the Gloucester school system..... Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,579 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/22/2025 10:36:08 PM  Hey, guys and gals, is this the most dysfunctional thread in the history BA? Or, is it simply the most humorous? The level of mudslinging here would make James Callender blush. [A BA Huzzah for anyone who knows who Callender is without doing an internet search.] The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,711 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/23/2025 9:22:58 AM  How can we (Ohio) make these kinds of demands if the the rest of the G5 is not willing to do the same? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,362 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/23/2025 10:47:07 AM  shabamon wrote: How can we (Ohio) make these kinds of demands if the the rest of the G5 is not willing to do the same? This is where I believe the G5 leaders need to start banding together, and it should be Oregon State and Washington State leading that charge since they were affected the most. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,946 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/23/2025 10:55:58 AM  GoCats105 wrote: shabamon wrote: How can we (Ohio) make these kinds of demands if the the rest of the G5 is not willing to do the same? This is where I believe the G5 leaders need to start banding together, and it should be Oregon State and Washington State leading that charge since they were affected the most. How do they do so without it being blatant collusion? Personally, it's very hard for me to think that the path to sustainability for the G5 is about charging P5 teams more to lose to them, but what do I know? Doesn't feel particularly compelling that we can't generate revenue based on our actual product, and instead need to charge more for the bit part we play in college football's real product. As far as business models go, that's a very bad one, because none of it is in our control, and all it takes for that to fall apart completely is a scheduling change by the P5. But thankfully, the college sports landscape is very, very stable right now and not changing at all, so we should be good. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,452 Status: Offline     RE: Someone post the WVU, OSU, and Rutgers contracts and the LOVE will take the gloves off.....    Posted: 1/23/2025 11:04:44 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: GoCats105 wrote: shabamon wrote: How can we (Ohio) make these kinds of demands if the the rest of the G5 is not willing to do the same? This is where I believe the G5 leaders need to start banding together, and it should be Oregon State and Washington State leading that charge since they were affected the most. How do they do so without it being blatant collusion? Personally, it's very hard for me to think that the path to sustainability for the G5 is about charging P5 teams more to lose to them, but what do I know? Doesn't feel particularly compelling that we can't generate revenue based on our actual product, and instead need to charge more for the bit part we play in college football's real product. As far as business models go, that's a very bad one, because none of it is in our control, and all it takes for that to fall apart completely is a scheduling change by the P5. But thankfully, the college sports landscape is very, very stable right now and not changing at all, so we should be good. I don't want to argue numbers here, but it's also wrong to argue that the P5 doesn't need us. The P5 needs G5 games! Would they play them if they didn't? If a P5 wants a game but they don't want to return the game, then they should be paying a hefty ransom. Remember, they're not paying us to come there, THEY'RE PAYING US TO GIVE UP A RETURN GAME. They get their cake and they eat it, but we do deserve a bigger lick of frosting. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 80 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3 | 4    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 401 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 401 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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