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Diamond Cat
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  Message Not Read  NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/14/2023 10:20:40 AM 
May be old news but I saw Beau Blankenship's employer (or his company) signed Kurtis to NIL deal.
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   Posted: 1/14/2023 11:13:30 AM 
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?
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   Posted: 1/14/2023 11:48:31 AM 
I guess that means Rodney Matthews will be back next year. Much needed on the D-line

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   Posted: 1/14/2023 12:48:45 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate?


Canucks wintering in Florida? Unheard of!

Nice to see formers being successful and who among the formers has an acronym in OHIO Football lore?

BUTM!

Last Edited: 1/14/2023 12:50:59 PM by MonroeClassmate
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/14/2023 8:49:26 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.
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   Posted: 1/16/2023 12:52:55 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/16/2023 1:28:59 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?

Last Edited: 1/16/2023 1:35:42 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/16/2023 4:46:24 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys. The downsides have been stated on here and others places, not going to repeat them. It won’t make any difference to you anyway.
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   Posted: 1/16/2023 5:00:20 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys. The downsides have been stated on here and others places, not going to repeat them. It won’t make any difference to you anyway.



Okie doke. Good when it's good for OU, bad otherwise. Got it.
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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/16/2023 6:20:03 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys. The downsides have been stated on here and others places, not going to repeat them. It won’t make any difference to you anyway.



Okie doke. Good when it's good for OU, bad otherwise. Got it.
not what I said at all - but that’s normal for you

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/16/2023 6:24:34 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys. The downsides have been stated on here and others places, not going to repeat them. It won’t make any difference to you anyway.



Okie doke. Good when it's good for OU, bad otherwise. Got it.
not what I said at all - but that’s normal for you



Yeah, I know, that's not what you said. I'm just giving you a hard time because in your last post you said "it won't make any difference to you anyway." Not sure what I did to offend you or why you're so sensitive.

I asked a question to understand your perspective here. You don't want to explain. That's cool.
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIL deal for Kurtis
   Posted: 1/17/2023 12:25:04 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:

Simply funneling money to athletes.


Been the practice for 70+ years in Athens and everywhere else. And I'm sure under the table payments are still taking place even with NIL.
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 12:26:47 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys.


We never have been able to keep up - even even when it was hidden envelopes, cars, meals, girls, etc. Ohio dabbled. Others dominated.

Last Edited: 1/17/2023 12:27:33 PM by cc-cat
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 12:35:45 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:

I’m not particularly unhappy when our guys get it, just not sure that we can keep up with the big boys.


We never have been able to keep up - even even when it was hidden envelopes, cars, meals, girls, etc. Ohio dabbled. Others dominated.


And you don’t think that it’s going to be worse not that’s it’s legal? I do.

Last Edited: 1/17/2023 12:46:05 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 1:28:03 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
[QUOTE=cc-cat]
And you don’t think that it’s going to be worse not that’s it’s legal? I do.


Is there a good reason to criminalize this?
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 3:57:41 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
[QUOTE=cc-cat]
And you don’t think that it’s going to be worse not that’s it’s legal? I do.


Is there a good reason to criminalize this?


And why do you words like criminalize? I said it’s getting legal not criminal. You just can’t keep from judging things people say and making it something it’s not , can you?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 4:49:51 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
[QUOTE=cc-cat]
And you don’t think that it’s going to be worse not that’s it’s legal? I do.


Is there a good reason to criminalize this?


And why do you words like criminalize? I said it’s getting legal not criminal. You just can’t keep from judging things people say and making it something it’s not , can you?


You gotta take a deep breath, my man. I'm not trying to "make it something it's not" and I'm not judging the things you said.

I asked a question and used the word 'criminalize' because it's the opposite of legal. And because people have ended up in jail for paying college athletes prior to this being legalized.

You seem to be opposed to this being legal. I'm wondering why that is.
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L.C.
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 8:10:29 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?
...

I'm neither happy nor unhappy about this. It opens up a whole different economic system, and that will have some aspects better than the old one, and some ones that are worse. To be expected is that it will likely deepen the divide between the haves and the have nots. Pro teams realized a long time ago that the league itself would be healthier if every team had a chance of winning, so they built into the system some revenue sharing systems to equalize things. Most likely, college football is too fractured, and the individual schools are too selfish to ever implement something like this, so we'll just have to see what develops.

The one thing that leaves me scratching my head, though, is that some here seem to strongly favor paying players based on the market price of their skills, yet the same people don't think market value should be relevant to coach's salaries.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 1/17/2023 9:02:53 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?
...

I'm neither happy nor unhappy about this. It opens up a whole different economic system, and that will have some aspects better than the old one, and some ones that are worse. To be expected is that it will likely deepen the divide between the haves and the have nots. Pro teams realized a long time ago that the league itself would be healthier if every team had a chance of winning, so they built into the system some revenue sharing systems to equalize things. Most likely, college football is too fractured, and the individual schools are too selfish to ever implement something like this, so we'll just have to see what develops.

The one thing that leaves me scratching my head, though, is that some here seem to strongly favor paying players based on the market price of their skills, yet the same people don't think market value should be relevant to coach's salaries.


Agree regarding revenue sharing. I think the most apt professional sports comparison for college basketball and football is professional soccer in England (and much of Europe). There are hundreds of pro teams at multiple tiers, but revenue sharing only becomes meaningful after sustained success at the top tier. It wouldn't surprise me to see college sports end up somewhere similar. It's a more relevant model than US sports given how many teams there are and disparity in resources.

As for coaches salaries, I'm all for the free market determining coaches salaries. I just don't think coaching salaries are a particularly rational market. It's hard to consider something a "free market" when the labor can't share in revenue generated or be compensated in any direct way.

Last Edited: 1/17/2023 9:03:59 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 1/17/2023 10:21:30 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?


So, athletes getting 5 years at Ohio, at say $30K a year in education, $150K isn't enough? Really?

The portal and NIL is destroying sports at the intercollegiate level.

I recall Daz Patterson, on full scholarship, bagging groceries in Athens.

What's next, college football becomes "professional"? Oh wait, it already is.
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   Posted: 1/18/2023 3:12:14 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?


So, athletes getting 5 years at Ohio, at say $30K a year in education, $150K isn't enough? Really?

The portal and NIL is destroying sports at the intercollegiate level.

I recall Daz Patterson, on full scholarship, bagging groceries in Athens.

What's next, college football becomes "professional"? Oh wait, it already is.


It's not clear to me how this addresses the post is in response to.
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   Posted: 1/18/2023 10:27:20 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Good for him, and potentially OU in total, but I'm really curious how something like this plays out? I've seen it at a couple other schools.

Is Kurtis going to be appearing in marketing in south Florida real estate? He going to be selling apartments on the side? or is it just a way to funnel money to athletes?


Simply funneling money to athletes.



That’s apparently what’s it’s all about. Folks asked for it so now they have it. Hope everybody is happy now.


Question for you: why are you unhappy about this?

In what way does Beau Blankenship and Kurtis Roarke's financial relationship impact you? Everybody keeps saying things like "Hope everybody is happy now" as if this is some obviously bad thing; was the prior world, where Beau Blankenship's money had to be funneled through the university and ended up as a hydrotherapy pool better in some meaningful way?

Why is the outcome of money going directly to a talented, hardworking kid worse? I don't understand the morality at play here. How has people earning money come to be interpreted by so many people as inherently bad?


So, athletes getting 5 years at Ohio, at say $30K a year in education, $150K isn't enough? Really?

The portal and NIL is destroying sports at the intercollegiate level.

I recall Daz Patterson, on full scholarship, bagging groceries in Athens.

What's next, college football becomes "professional"? Oh wait, it already is.


No it’s not enough.


Some people, wanted NIL, thought it would be so EA Sports would bring back their favorite game or kids get lunch money for being on a sign. Not sure why some never realized this would be what it actually is
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   Posted: 1/18/2023 11:49:39 AM 
And some understood that NIL is simply pulling the hood off and showing college sports as it always has been from Athens to Athens, State College to College Station, Columbus to Columbia, Youngsville to Starksville. Those "with" - play/pay with big money and those "without" - play/pay but at a much lower level.

Back on topic, good for Kurtis and thank you to Beau for getting some money for him.
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   Posted: 1/19/2023 7:27:03 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
So, athletes getting 5 years at Ohio, at say $30K a year in education, $150K isn't enough? Really?

The portal and NIL is destroying sports at the intercollegiate level.

I recall Daz Patterson, on full scholarship, bagging groceries in Athens.

What's next, college football becomes "professional"? Oh wait, it already is.

In addition to scholarships, I worked at a copy/print shop to pay my expenses, or at other times, as a TA. The problem with football, for a student, is that it requires a massive time commitment that leaves little time for other things, such as studying, working jobs, etc. I think that rules prohibit them from part time jobs during season, but even if they don't, they clearly can't work as many hours as most other students. I've always viewed the benefits they receive (scholarships, room & board, academic tutoring) as appropriate, given the time they have to spend on football.

The problem is, that they are a one size fits all solution. Everyone gets the same thing (at least, in theory), so it's socialism in action. Take from each according to their ability, and give to each according to their needs. On the positive side, it was a massively successful program for affirmative action, which gave many people a college education whose families had never before had such an opportunity, and many people took advantage of that to leave poverty behind and move into financially lucrative careers. On the negative side, it created corruption, where people used money under the table to recruit the true stars.

Can the new NIL system maintain the positives of the past, but also avoid the corruption of the past, and result in a fairer system, and without destroying the entire system by further increasing the differences between the "have" schools and the "have not" schools? We shall see. Life is an adventure. Things change. Often when old problems are fixed, new ones emerge, but that's no excuse for avoiding attempts to progress.

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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