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Kevin Finnegan
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Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/7/2022 5:01:54 PM

This has become something far murkier in the last few years post-COVID. Today it was announced that the UVA football players that didn't get to finish their final season of eligibility due to the tragedy that occurred there will be granted an additional year of eligibility. I like this move by the NCAA, just find it to be so crazy how long some students are able to play college ball compared to the past. For example, Keytaon Thompson is a receiver for UVA. According to ESPN, he has announced his intention to enter the NFL draft, but if he changed his mind and returned to school, this would allow him a seventh! year of eligible stats. I don't know if he redshirted in that time, but he was a running back that ran for 446 yards and 6 touchdowns in 2017, and then played running back in 2018, 2019, and 2020, then receiver in 2021 and 2022. Theoretically, he could play receiver again in 2023 at UVA.

GoCats105
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/7/2022 6:19:10 PM

Let me tell you the tale of JT Daniels.

2018: USC - 2nd true freshman in USC history to start for the Trojans

2019: USC- torn ACL first game of the season

2020: announces transfer in April, immediately eligible at Georgia

2021: Georgia

2022: announces transfer in April, immediately eligible at WVU

2023: transfers from West Virginia and immediately eligible to play for ???

I've heard he theoretically could get another year due to the ACL tear he suffered.

The immediate eligibility change plus COVID has thrown this whole thing in a weird blender for a while.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 7:11:00 AM

Four years always felt short to me, in some instances. I'm glad there is some better flexibility with the NCAA these days.

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

Andrew Ruck
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 11:07:09 AM

I disagree and do not like how loose they are with it nowadays. Undergraduate school is a 4 year endeavor, period. They focus on the current athletes but never stop to consider the opportunities it is taking from others. A lot less roster and scholarship opportunities for kids when you've got kids sitting on the roster for 7 years. The Virginia tragedy is heartbreaking, but they played 10 of 12 games and were already assured of not playing in any type of postseason. Not enough to block incoming athletes, in my opinion.

The Covid year should have only been for the spring 2020 athletes and a few situations other situations (our 2020 football team being one of them). HS graduates from 2020 thru 2025 are going to feel the tail of it for a long time.

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Kevin Finnegan
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 11:35:52 AM

Wonder if it should be a 'games played' marker in this new world, something like once your 40th game in is played in football, you're not eligible for the next season and once your 115th game is played in basketball, you're not eligible for the next year.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 11:49:17 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

To your point:

You can see what the transfer portal did to Ohio recruiting last year.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 11:55:21 AM

I saw this last night. Sobering. It�s getting less fun or I�ve turned into old get off my lawn guy. I assume that was part of the large amount of PWO�s Ohio took last season. You start assessing how many kids would normally get D1 offers and once they see that there aren�t any or no place to go you try to grab a couple.

100%Cat
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 4:47:14 PM

I saw that the NCAA is granting an extra year for the players at UVA who were in their final year this year. Nice move to give those guys a chance to have a full final season, if they choose to take it. I can't even imagine what they went through this season.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 9:24:09 PM

LuckySparrow wrote:

Four years always felt short to me, in some instances. I'm glad there is some better flexibility with the NCAA these days.

It's 5 years, not 4. And the Courts and legislatures have dictated this.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/8/2022 9:29:34 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

To your point: You can see what the transfer portal did to Ohio recruiting last year.

Hoping we have more than 79 Ohio prospects commit to an FBS college this year. https://t.co/7ydrlDLGLs&mdash ; ScoutingOhio.com (@Mark__Porter) https://twitter.com/Mark__Porter/status/16003298846682398...

And this is NOT a Covid result, this is a let's get a kid who has proven themselves and can give us 1-2 years, and then get the next kid who can get 1-2 years over the 4 year player. Even though, over 50% of all portal players go down. That is what really drains the opportunities for High School Kids.

L.C.
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/9/2022 1:18:59 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Thinking about this, with with the knowledge that more transfer down than up, this is how I see it:
1. P5 Schools - this will help them. The will lose a few players who weren't playing anyway, opening up more new scholarships each year.
2 P5 Tier players - this will be a net positive for them. Those that end up playing will be unaffected, while some of those who would have labored on the 2d and 3rd team in obscurity will have a second chance by transferring down.
3. G5 schools - this will help them in one way, and hurt them in another. Rather that taking unknown Freshmen, many of their slots can be filled with transfers, allowing them to have programs that are more stable year after year. On the other hand, they will lose some of their best players, who will transfer up.
4. G5 Tier players - Some players who formerly took G5 offers will end up in the newly opened P5 positions, but other player who formerly got G5 offers will end up as walkons because the G5 schools will offer substantially less players each year. I'm guessing that G5 schools will end up offering 10-15 Freshmen a year instead of ~20 a year in the past.

Players in general will also benefit another way. Coaches will always have to be cognizant of the fact that any player could transfer at any time, so all coaches will have to treat all their players well. This is no different than the rest of the world, by the way, where if the manager at FictiousName Restaurant treats their employees poorly, they have a lot of turnover.

Last Edited: 12/9/2022 1:20:02 PM by L.C.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/9/2022 1:38:06 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Would love to get another year out of Wiglusz.

2018:
2019: 1 rec, 11 yards
2020:
2021: 2 rec, 14 yards
2022: 69 rec, 850 yards, 11 TD

2023: BEAST MODE

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/9/2022 2:33:25 PM

Was hoping this would be a thread discussing which of our seniors still have a Covid year available, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/9/2022 3:13:02 PM

crackerbaby00 wrote:

Was hoping this would be a thread discussing which of our seniors still have a Covid year available, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

While it would be nice to know who is returning, I'm not sure anyone knows the answer.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/9/2022 4:02:49 PM

L.C., that's a good analysis. I'm left wondering, though, where in the heck does academics fit into this picture. With some of these guys transferring every year in football and even more so it appears in basketball, how can they possibly keep on track for getting a degree? Or, is that too 20th century of a concern? Some of you scoffed at the term student-athlete, but boy was it more consistent with the concept of college athletics than the semi-pro "ringer" paradigm we seem to be in now.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 9:06:58 AM

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Nowhere.

Everyone thinks they�re going pro. School is just a roadblock to NFL millions.

Or worse yet - they neglect the chance to get a degree, for some quick NIL cash.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 9:23:22 AM

The decades of athletes enrolled in paper classes isn't worth nostalgia. Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

NIL money isn't going to get in the way of a path to a degree. If a non athlete chose to transfer, nobody would scold them about the decision or scoff about how little they care about education. Getting a degree is a personal goal, that an individual owns. It's not the job of the University or NCAA to build a prohibitive structure to enforce that it happens, and that people talk about athletes as if they need the Draconian NCAA policy to succeed in life says more about the person who feels that way than it does about the athletes.

Truly condescending nonsense. This is as simple as personal freedom. There are people here who seem to hate that idea when it's applied to college athletes. Why?

Last Edited: 12/10/2022 9:24:19 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 12:06:40 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

Simply wrong.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 1:45:12 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

School for most of these athletes are online and not in demanding majors. As evident by the fact grad rates are going up.

Last Edited: 12/10/2022 1:46:57 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 5:02:19 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

Simply wrong.

Can't argue with that soundly a supported opinion.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/10/2022 9:06:19 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

Simply wrong.

Can't argue with that soundly a supported opinion.

I would argue that "student-athletes" was a very successful way of creating upward mobility. Over the years, many people who had never had a family member go to college ended up with college scholarships. Not all of them, of course, but some of them made the most of an opportunity they would not have have had otherwise. I know many people who, after attending college on an athletic scholarship, went on to successful careers in a variety of areas.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/11/2022 9:31:35 AM

L.C. wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

Simply wrong.

Can't argue with that soundly a supported opinion.

There's no question that sending more people to college is a good thing. I'm in full agreement there.

But the NCAA acknowledges that they created the phrase "student athlete" to create a legal distinction and as a means of avoiding paying for health insurance and worker's compensation for athletes injured in NCAA athletics. The phrase needed to create a distinction between "student-athletes" and students to account for a broader range of demands (both physical and in terms of time commitment); it was only later that they coupled it with a branding blitz insisting on the nobility of the cause behind it.

That people here think NIL money or transferring is somehow antithetical to getting an education and that policy designed to limit personal freedoms is somehow justified by the noble cause of the "student athlete" is just NCAA propaganda. As mentioned, if a non athlete transferred nobody would scold them for not caring about academics. If a non-athlete made money on the side while in school, nobody would accuse them of selfishness.

That mindset exists because the NCAA willed it. It was central to their brand, and a lot of people bought it hook, line, and sinker.

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RE: Years of eligibility

Posted: 12/12/2022 4:18:44 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Student-athlete was branding you all got all fell hard for, not something reflected in the culture and actions of the NCAA or D1 schools.

Simply wrong.

Can't argue with that soundly a supported opinion.

Can you point out where it�s the NCAA that uses this as propaganda?

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