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Topic: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

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TWT
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How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 12:50:16 PM

The last couple of weeks have watched Ohio take Kent State to over time while Miami defeats Kent by 3. Ohio doesn't look too far from the top of the division. Buffalo is 3-0 in the MAC but they lost to Holy Cross. From a competitive standpoint Ohio is within a TD of the top of the division. TA did beat Miami last year and Buffalo is at home so a victory in one of those games is possible. Possible the east title will be on the line for that Buffalo game.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 1:30:09 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

I think Ohio is going to win the East. Thrown Akron and BG out of the mix right now, they won't be there. Kent State already washed away its win over Ohio with a loss to Miami and still has Toledo on deck. Miami blew its game vs Buffalo and beat Kent State but looks very different at QB without Brett Gabbert (out for the season, huge loss) and doesn't have the firepower to match an offense like Ohio's. Buffalo's next MAC foes is Toledo and they still have to play Kent State, and let's face it - the Bulls can't win in Athens, which is where the game is played this year. Also, Ohio's crossover schedule couldn't look more favorable at this point as WMU looks lousy, and MAC preseason favorite Northern Illinois looks even worse and is essentially already eliminated in the MAC at 1-5, 0-2 with both MAC losses to divisional opponents! AND, QB Rocky Lombardi is still out and may miss the entire season at this point. Ball State will come back to earth in November. I think Ohio's weak crossover schedule is the edge right now. And if that isn't the deciding factor, I could see a 3-way or 4-way tie in the East with Ohio getting the tie-breaking nods with wins over Miami and Buffalo as the deciding factors.

Last Edited: 10/9/2022 1:31:49 PM by OhioBobcat

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 1:46:50 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Its not inconceivable for Ohio to win the East but Buffalo 3-0 means Ohio might not be able to afford a loss down the stretch to win the division. Regardless the season seems to be shaping up toward a 7-5 type season which is 4-2 down the stretch is entirely possible.

Last Edited: 10/9/2022 1:47:16 PM by TWT

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 2:52:18 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Man, this forum is bipolar. No way we win the east. I'd be happy with 6-6, okay with 5-7

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 3:32:09 PM

SBH wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Man, this forum is bipolar. No way we win the east. I'd be happy with 6-6, okay with 5-7

What Nostradumus (aka OhioBobcat) says might be accurate this time. I can see that happening. I can also see us not winning another game. I think the WMU may be decisive. Win that game and I think the team gains a little more confidence and could start to roll. Lose the WMU game and the wheels may come off. I put a lot of stock in the concepts of team momentum, confidence and esprit de corps. If teams are evenly matched, or close to it, I think these intangibles often make the difference between winning and losing. To paraphrase and add another dimension to what BTC said in a recent post: "It's not the Xs and Os but the skill and the attitude of the Johnnys and Joes." Here's hoping that OHIO has these mental factors on its side going forward. Go OHIO!

P.S. Despite what I and many others on this board have said negative about Albin, and many times legitimately so, one thing that I've consistently heard -- from a number of sources -- is that the players love Albin and that they have great confidence in him.

Last Edited: 10/9/2022 3:36:25 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 4:29:35 PM

One thing I don't think we can really tell how tough WMU or NIU will be based on their records. We could have the offense to take them right out of there or it could end up a Kent State style dogfight. Win those two and the cats are 5-3.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/9/2022 8:17:58 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

First, we have to see if the team can win on the road--couldn't get it done with Rourke and Company at Kent while 2nd stringer at Miami was able to beat the Flashes. Saturday is the 2nd test of winning on the road. Then of course there is winning on the road in November to hurdle.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/10/2022 7:38:47 AM

MonroeClassmate wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Kent also had something like 7 starters out with injury, mostly defensive, from our game against Miami.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/10/2022 9:45:05 AM

I get the perspective that we are a TD away from being at the top...but we were VERY lucky to be so close at Kent. They stomped us in everything but just had bad luck on the bottom line scoring. Kent was clearly the better team.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/10/2022 9:51:44 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

That's true. I was thinking with respect to Miami and Buffalo are probably not more than a TD better than what Ohio is.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/10/2022 2:42:38 PM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Kent kept getting to the edge of FG range on every drive with almost no resistance. Then Ohio managed to stop them sometimes with it sometimes being the result of mistakes from Kent. But, that, as we discussed in another thread might literally be the strategy right now. If OUr main concern on defense has to be not giving up a TD on the next play until the opponent gets into FG range then I do not understand why we would hardly ever punt if we have the ball between the 35 yard lines.

We had an 85+% chance to win that game for a lot of the fourth quarter on ESPN's site so some might argue that we were unlucky in losing the game. But I agree, no matter the defensive strategy, if you give up 286 more yards than you gain you will usually lose by about 3 TDs even if you have a two turnover advantage. We did have a small edge in return yards but their FG was a lot longer so that doesn't really help explain it away. It is almost entirely a result of where so many of Kent's drives ended leaving them with punting, kicking, or going for it all often not being a great option. We had 259 more punting yards as a result. I looked at being ahead in the game in the first place as much more lucky on OUr part than being unlucky in finding a way to lose a game that was close to in hand.

For a ball park assessment teamrankings gives Ohio a 6% chance to win the East so I'd think of this as in the still plausible but quite unlikely category.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/team/ohio-b...

Last Edited: 10/10/2022 6:20:15 PM by Victory

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/12/2022 12:49:34 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

That's true. I was thinking with respect to Miami and Buffalo are probably not more than a TD better than what Ohio is.

I was at the OU/KSU game and Kent wasn't clearly the better team at all. Yes, they certainly had more yards, but they had far more mistakes and poor execution throughout the game than Ohio did. Kent had more mishaps last week again vs Miami and this time it ended up costing them and as they lost a game they should have won. They're lucky to not be 0-2 in the MAC right now. This week they're at Toledo and I think Ohio will cruise by WMU so you're very likely going to see Ohio 2-1 and Kent 1-2 in the MAC after Saturday.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/12/2022 3:42:13 PM

Hustle belt gave us a B+ mid season grade.

Basic assessment is that our Defense needs to have a pulse.

We all know if somehow going to Detroit (not sure if the MAC Championship game is there anymore) comes down to the BGSU game that we will lay a big ole ostrich egg.

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2022/10/12/23397960/2022-mac-f...

Last Edited: 10/12/2022 4:00:15 PM by Urban Bobcat

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/22/2022 9:10:47 PM

With Toledo's loss to Buffalo and Ohio's defensive improvement one has to think the next game against Buffalo or Toledo in Detroit if it happens would be within a FG on the betting line. The problem is Ohio has to keep pace with Buffalo in the loss column by defeating them to keep it in the teams destiny and then winning the three remaining games to be safe. If Buffalo defeats Ohio with the tie-breaker UB would have to lose its 3 remaining games and Ohio has to win out to take the East. Buffalo has Akron yet on the schedule so forget about them losing out.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/22/2022 10:18:08 PM

Campus Flow wrote:

After Buffalo's somewhat surprising win against Toledo, Ohio very likely needs to run the table, which would mean entering the bowl game on a seven game winning streak, to win the MAC. Buffalo had a more impressive win that Ohio this week and the line is probably more in Buffalo's favor that it would have been last week. I don't know if it will be within a FG. We were a 3 point underdog at home to a 2 win team today. I am still expecting to be about a 4.5 point underdog on our own field. Anyone else want to guess?

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/22/2022 10:37:32 PM

Victory wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

I could care less what Vegas has to say aside from the money Ohio is making me in the MAC this season. But the scoreboard will say Ohio with more points than Buffalo when the clock hits zero. This team is going to Detroit.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/22/2022 11:40:29 PM

Victory wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

When I say FG here I mean to say how much better UB is rather than betting line. They might be a hair better than Ohio right now at best. In my estimation right now we have better chances of winning in Detroit than making it there with all the games the Cats have to go through yet. I can remember Ohio making it to Detroit in 2006 and 2009 as huge underdogs without an offense that could keep up. Based on what Ohio's done to Buffalo and Toledo in recent seasons blasting them right off the field I feel good about playing them in a championship situation, for the MAC East or Detroit. That is only half the battle with Miami, Ball St and BG to go through which from this weeks vantage point looms as a larger challenge than having enough to handle Buffalo or Toledo in a single game.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/22/2022 11:45:29 PM

Urban Bobcat wrote:

B+ and some want to fire a coach after 15 months.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/23/2022 2:11:57 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Urban Bobcat wrote:

B+ and some want to fire a coach after 15 months.

TA has intangibles going for him. Julie is still here. Frank is still involved. Sherman is moving on after this school year. Of course they are going to sign him back on for next season. Who will be the next president of OU and what will their philosophy be toward athletics? For a potential decision to retain or fire TA over the next 2-3 months.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/23/2022 9:39:18 AM

I've seen enough from Tim Albin to retain him imo.
Has anyone actually looked at this team? Rourke is looking like a Legitimate NFL QB and the defense gets better week to week..guys are HYPED..back ups are HYPE. They're flying around having fun.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/23/2022 11:18:18 AM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Victory wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Yeah but you say that every year before every game.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/23/2022 12:46:38 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

Victory wrote:

Campus Flow wrote:

Yeah but you say that every year before every game.

Yeah, I don't want to be a buzzkill....and I'm not saying that Ohio is going to lose next week. Go Bobcats! Bear Buffalo!. But if I were you I'd quit while you are ahead this year or at least consider it as an entertainment expense you are doing for fun like going out to dinner or going to games and not a way to make money. That goes for everyone reading this. There are a few people out there that are good enough at prognostication to beat the house. But the casino's and websites are making so much money because the are just that, "A few". They take "juice" on bets so even if you are slightly better than the guys billionaire businessmen single out to pay to set the lines, and the wisdom of the crowd that moves it, and practically nobody is, you are still likely to lose anyway.

There is a scene in the children's classic movie "The Princess Bride" where the hero, Westley, challenges a mastermind villain, Vizzini, to a battle of wits. Vizzini is so confidant in his own genius that he is willing to accept the challenge even before the challenge is defined. This is where he is the ultimate fool and lost the game of wits before it began. Westley puts out two glasses of wine and challenges Vizzini to determine which is poisoned and to pick which one he will drink and which one Westley will drink. Afterward, Westly admits to the heroine that he spent the last few years building up an immunity to the poison and he had put poison in both glasses. Betting with a book is just like that. If you accept a battle of wits with the terms defined by the other side you are going to lose. In this case you will win some of the time but that's intentionally part of the terms they set. It's that way intentionally and with subtlety to make you think you might be able to come you ahead because they can't actually force anyone to play. Over time you almost certainly won't win.

Last Edited: 10/23/2022 12:49:27 PM by Victory

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/23/2022 6:25:24 PM

Victory wrote:

. . . . In this case you will win some of the time but that's intentionally part of the terms they set. It's that way intentionally and with subtlety to make you think you might be able to come you ahead because they can't actually force anyone to play. Over time you almost certainly won't win.

I have a relative who is a "betaholic." I wish someone could get this truth across to him. But, he's always looking for the "big one." And, of course, it never comes. He gets these small wins and then gets suckered in every time. This has cost him dearly over many years. I won't go into detail, but he'd be much better off today if he'd never wagered at all. He's also an alcholic, but he's been on the wagon now for close to 15 years and attends AA meetings regularly. But, the gambling addiction still has its hold on him.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/24/2022 4:01:22 PM

While I would like to take the optimistic route that the Bobcats could grow into being the best team in the East, history has typically shown we blow a crucial game somewhere while on the journey to Detroit. Whether it's losing to the eventual East Champ or blowing a game against a team we should beat we almost always falter somewhere. I won't be confident until we have finished the regular season as 9-3 and are making plans for Detroit.

I will say that I don't see Albin losing his job as long as he splits the next 4 games. If god forbid we lose 3 out of the last 4 I could see the negative momentum and alumni feedback being hard for the AD to ignore.

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RE: How does Ohio stack up in the East?

Posted: 10/26/2022 12:40:19 PM

The race to Detroit is on:

https://www.hustlebelt.com/2022/10/25/23418965/mac-footba...

Ohio controls destiny. Even if we beat Buffalo, BG is sitting there at 3-1 with us as well.

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