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Topic: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

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TexasOfficial
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OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:17:43 PM

As a bystander in this game between Ohio and Temple it really irks me when my brotheren get a call wrong. Ohio clearly did not recover that fumble in the first quarter. The instant replay man should be removed from future games for getting it wrong. The ball is clearly under the Ohio LB #51 but not in his possession. The ball can be seen lying on the ground next to his knees when he lands on top of it. The Temple player dives towards the ball and pulls it into his arms while it is lying on the ground. Then he immediatly jumps up with the ball. The officials on the field just made a judgement call and didn't see what they called. As an official, you cannot make a call if you don't see it. Just because #51 jumped on the ball didn't mean he recovered the fumble. The replay shows the ball was not in his possession "ever" and then recovered by #84 of Temple. I don't care who wins - but it was a bad call. I hope the replay official gets dinged from the Supervisor of Officials tonight after the game.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:18:54 PM

Oh well.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:24:06 PM

Uh....do you want an apology?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:41:42 PM

TexasOfficial wrote:

Glad you do not referee around here. You had it dead wrong! Buy a new TV, your video must be on the blink!!

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:48:41 PM

If you could see that OUr #51 Dak Notestine did not or did not have possession, then the U.S. security agencies need your vision. Couldn't tell whether he did or did not have it from what TV showed.

I don't think their guy jumped out of there with the ball until well after the scrum was unpiling. First, if he had come out right away, then Golden and the temples would've been wildly celebrating and have gone nuts after the call went OHIO's way. Second, that guy (their 84) was a body or two away from the ball at the point when our #51 was around it. For 84 to end up with it, well it would have taken him some time to pull it out of the mass of humanity. So, no, he didn't come away with it cleanly right away.

Good call by me.

Now, if you're wondering why OHIO didn't call a time out to protest the possession call when the temples qb got hit before his arm was going forward on 3rd down at their 30 late first quarter, then I'm with you. Looked like our 92 had the ball trapped in his body as he dove for it--might have been that OHIO ended up with your possession.

2nd good call by the person possessing my body at this moment.

Last Edited: 11/16/2010 9:50:59 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:52:48 PM

You signed up on this fan site just to say this? Really?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:54:08 PM

It was ruled a fumble on the field recovered by Ohio. Even if you are right, you cannot tell me that you saw something indistputable to say Temple recovered it. That is the replay rule. Please tell me you at least know that.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 9:59:39 PM

Looked to me like Dak was on it easily. Temple pulls it out when he is already down. No camera angle could help your argument.

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TexasOfficial
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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:03:41 PM

Truly sad responses from Ohio fans...typical. A true homer will never agree that a call was good when it goes against them. It would be the same had I posted this on Temples website but that would have cost money. $8.99 a month to join their blogosphere.

Clearly the ball is lying next to his knee when the camera angle from the 50 yard line press box view is used. The ball has a white stripe on it and it is clearly visible next to his knee when #51 is on the ground. The Temple coach had a good view of what happened and he was right in this situation. The on-field officials should have (especially the L) showed a little a more enthusiasm while watching the fumble occur. The mechanic for that is to beanbag the spot and move into a good position to see the pile when it is out on the wings. He just stood there and didn't even try to look into the pile to see what was going on. He just assumed that #51 jumped on it and had possession which clearly didn't happen. He was clearly shocked when #84 jumped up with the ball and then he was thinking, "Oh crap, how did he get the ball" ! You can see it in his face. LOL The other zebra's let him hang on that one. No one was in position to help although the umpire should have had a good view from the middle of the field.

Really, the ones who are saying it happened when they were unpiling? You can clearly see #84 pull the ball in from #51's legs proving he never had possession just a second after he hits the ground. Secondly, #51, a giant LB let #84, skinny WR pull the ball out of his grip? Really? He never had a hand on it and that is why the Temple player recovered it. It was free and loose under #51 but not in his possession. That is the rule.

All the technical jabs and physical jabs at me can be sumed up with this answer: Maybe my 65" LCD HDTV has a little better quality than yours? My uncorrected vision is 20/15 in my right eye and 20/20 in my left. Yes, I am a NCAA official and that was a bad call by the MAC replay official. To some of you, if I worked in the MAC, it would be a better conference. Have a good night and rest of season.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:07:49 PM

Don't really care, one play doesn't make a game and we would have gotten the ball on the punt anyways.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:07:54 PM

you live in Texas and you go out of your way to find this message board, hurry up and join just to share your opinion? Really? You have a sad life!

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:09:05 PM

TexasOfficial wrote:

All the technical jabs and physical jabs at me can be sumed up with this answer: Maybe my 65" LCD HDTV has a little better quality than yours? My uncorrected vision is 20/15 in my right eye and 20/20 in my left. Yes, I am a NCAA official and that was a bad call by the MAC replay official. To some of you, if I worked in the MAC, it would be a better conference. Have a good night and rest of season.

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That's a lot of chest pounding you're doing to just be completely wrong.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:15:32 PM

ts1227 wrote:

TexasOfficial wrote:

I'M A DIVISION MANAGER! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!

That's a lot of chest pounding you're doing to just be completely wrong.

Hey, who are you to question a man who once shook Kinky Friedman's hand in the early 1980s, recorded it on his $2,000 Betamax, and watched it on his 55-inch Zenith COLOR TELEVISION...WITH CABLE!!!!

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:21:35 PM

ts1227 wrote:

TexasOfficial wrote:

I'M A DIVISION MANAGER! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!

That's a lot of chest pounding you're doing to just be completely wrong.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:37:05 PM

Well, since I am PC literate, it took all of 5 minutes to find your little blog site. It wasn't like I had to do anything other than type in MAC blog spots and like magic this little PC thing-a-ma-jig showed me your blog. Wow, this PC thing may catch on in the future?

The fact that only 3.8% of this post viewers chose to either say something negative or make an ignorant statement proves to me that the other 96% of your fans are pretty intelligent.

This is America and I can voice my opinion on any blog I wish to visit. Tonight I was watching ESPN 2 and saw a play that I disagreed with so I voiced my opinion with the public that the result of the play favored. I stated that I have no bias in the matter of who wins. So it isn't okay to come here and post an educated opinion about something that affects your team negatively? How many NCAA officiating training classes have you been too? How many NCAA football games have you officiated? How many NCAA clinics have you been too? How many years have you been an NCAA official? I bet your answer will be "zero"?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:40:49 PM

message board != blog

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bobcat695
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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/16/2010 11:42:02 PM

My number is -0-. (My number of times wondering why you are still arguing about it two hours after the call has just hit double digits, though.) Also, are you related to MH55 or UBBigBobby?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 7:57:18 AM

Apparently, the TV analysts were biased also because they agreed with the replay call. I think there is a good chance that Ohio never really recovered the fumble, but it cannot be proven from any replay that was shown on TV, so it has to stand as called. There were a few plays like that, as mentioned before. It seemed like Ohio might have covered the fumble by Temple's QB as he was about to pass, but it was ruled that Temple got it and there was no way for replay to conclusively say otherwise, so it also stayed the same. It's almost like a court of law. Replay has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the official was wrong, and there is more than a little doubt on both of those plays, one that went for us and one that went against us.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:10:47 AM

Can we put a request in to get TexasOfficial to ref some of our games? I always wondered what it would be like to have one of our games reffed by a completely righteous individual.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:18:21 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

It seemed like Ohio might have covered the fumble by Temple's QB as he was about to pass, but it was ruled that Temple got it and there was no way for replay to conclusively say otherwise, so it also stayed the same.

I do have a question about this particular play. Wasn't a flag thrown saying that it was illegally touched by the lineman? Doesn't that mean they ruled that it was a pass? If it's a fumble, anyone is allowed to touch it, no?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:30:40 AM

Yes, that's true, but I don't think the ball ever hit the ground.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:45:09 AM

TexasOfficial wrote:

They could not overturn the ruling on the field if there was not enough visual evidence. And There wasn't any evidence via video that could reverse the call. No one is losing their job over that.....calm down.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:52:46 AM

Giving the replay official the benefit of the doubt and an aside to Texas, maybe he did get it wrong. Certainly not the first time this has occurred by an NCAA official and certainly won't be the last. Quite frankly, I think the entire replay thing is WAY overused, it's taking the "human" element out of officiating. This continual review of every other play is maddening in my opinion. Give the Head coaches a challenge or two during a game and play on. Speaking of blown replay calls though Texas, couldn't the replay official have declared Boykin's forward progress stopped when the bevy of Temple players had him stood up and were doing nothing more than trying to rip the ball out of his arms late in the game? What's that old saying these calls tend to even out?

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:55:44 AM

I know where you're coming from Texas cat but the fact was there was not a good replay to show when 84 got the ball back even if he did, in all likelihood, recover his own fumble. But let's not forget that that was early in the game and if I remember correctly Ohio punted on that ensuing possession anyway. Also, if 84 does not fumble, then we, nor anyone else even mentions the play at all. You can't just toss up the football and expect good things to happen. So while I see your angle, let's not forget that not everything is black and white and mistakes will be made. How you deal with adversity is what makes you, others, or a team, truly successful.

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RE: OHIO gets break from missed fumble

Posted: 11/17/2010 8:58:02 AM

TexasOfficial wrote:

Want some Cheese to go with your Whine? That one play, did NOT cause the outcome of the game, so get over it.

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