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  Message Not Read  Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/24/2024 11:46:09 AM 
https://theathletic.com/5439967/2024/04/23/group-of-5-pla... /

In summary, the five conferences are discussing the the possibility of a playoff of their own. Many conference leaders seem to like the idea to generate more interest (and money). A few have said it would further separate the conferences from the others, but some of those guys who feel that way are retiring. The idea has been discussed a while but with the Big Ten and SEC reshaping the playoff contract to get even more money while G5 schools get no extra, administrators in the other conferences feel like they need to move quickly. One idea is a replacement for bowl games. One of the ideas is for the G5 conferences to reorganize geographically, but that more applies to the AAC, Sun Belt and Conference USA and not really the MAC and Mount West, which already are reasonably geographic. TV contracts would be the key to whether this would happen.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/24/2024 12:00:16 PM 
Make it happen.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/24/2024 2:39:54 PM 
I think many agree that this would be a plausible move forward, but I'm not so sure I feel it would ever evolve beyond talking stages, because essentially a large swath of these folks dont want to make it official that they are the have-nots. These decisions are being made without the G5, I think it's beyond time to start making some decisions for themselves.

Also shoutout to the guy who made OU the headline photo lol

Last Edited: 4/24/2024 2:41:00 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/24/2024 7:00:13 PM 
I agree with those who say that this is very unlikely to happen. What I could see is the top four G5 teams having a play-in series to determine who gets into the CFP. That would be quite exciting and would generate interest the whole season as teams jockey for position for those slots. This could rotate between some of the better of the G5 bowl games.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/24/2024 9:10:53 PM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
I agree with those who say that this is very unlikely to happen. What I could see is the top four G5 teams having a play-in series to determine who gets into the CFP. That would be quite exciting and would generate interest the whole season as teams jockey for position for those slots. This could rotate between some of the better of the G5 bowl games.


I don't think this can happen. The CFP will start in mid-December because the CFP is four rounds. I mean, if you pushed the playoff start back a week you could sneak in two rounds of play-in games between between the conference championships and the first round. I don't see that happening. But the other problem is that you are up to 19 possible games for the winner.

Last Edited: 4/24/2024 10:55:04 PM by Victory
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/25/2024 6:31:55 AM 
Concept that I found interesting was the term private equity
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/25/2024 10:49:59 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Concept that I found interesting was the term private equity


Imagine the world economy taking a nosedive because some PE firm put too much money into someone like New Mexico State.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/25/2024 9:41:29 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Concept that I found interesting was the term private equity


Imagine the world economy taking a nosedive because some PE firm put too much money into someone like New Mexico State.


That is not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is they are obviously thinking corporate sponsorship,and you have to be talking serious cash. That has me interested in what they think they have line up. As well as TV money. I would hope they have done ground work before they state this publicly
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/25/2024 9:59:25 PM 
By doing nothing and letting the G5 get proportionately bent over a barrel (9% of 1.3 Billion - sure, Julie), Cromer and her AD/President colleagues in the G5 are blatantly guilty of BREACH OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.

Additionally, any G5 school not re-negotiating or tearing up their P5 Buy Game (Ohio State, Nebraska) contracts and demanding more money in lieu of the significantly increased CFP money distributions from the networks is also committing the same BREACH. There should be lawsuits galore from people that don't want to watch Ohio State play 17 home games and face Alabama in the Playoff every year. Unfortunately, Cromer wants to be a part of that facade.

The Ohio Game at Ohio State is highway robbery for the economic impact to Ohio State, the football program, the athletic department, and the city of Columbus. Only a fool would think $1.9 Million (roughly what they are paying Will Howard) is a good deal for Ohio. This is absolutely atrocious, sad, and a terrible business decision. Who is allowing this nonsense? Any normal business person would be fired on the spot for accepting this. Playing Nebraska in 2026 for $1-$2 Million?????? (Time value of money anyone???) - Matt Rhule has a $74 MILLION Contract. Stop it already - Cromer is a laughing stock. Either kick Cromer and the other G5 Cronies to the curb and bring in some real businessmen, or hold her ass to the fire. The Bobcats - Like a Cuckold sitting in the corner right now. Time to get some adults in the room in the G5 discussions.

It's time these AD's started looking out for the people CURRENTLY PAYING THEIR SALARIES instead of looking for the next job at the P5. I'm sick of the poor strategic decisions being made (or more specifically, the lax inaction) as these carpetbaggers hunt for the next gig at Virginia or Maryland or Kansas.

Look no further than Ryan White -> Smug goofball used Ohio and abused Ohio - symptomatic of what's going on at every G5 school. Came to Ohio, tried to fake a few smiles and raise a few dollars like he did at UVA, then bolted for Kansas at the first chance he got. I saw right through it and told anyone who would listen.

These AD's and Presidents make horrific financial decisions at their current schools while their future employers make cuckolds out of them. Who loses? Us. Someone needs to hold these people to a higher standard. Class Action Lawsuit anyone - I'm in? - LOVE

PS - I said it to Schaus, I said to Groce, I said it to O'Shea, I said it to Ryan White, I said it to Jim Christian - I'm going to outlast every one of you single son of a bitches in driving my ass to Athens and supporting Ohio. I'll be here long after they are gone. And dead to rights - I've been correct every single time. The rest of you line up to slob on the knobs, and thus - we find ourselves in this very precarious position.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/26/2024 8:04:00 AM 
Victory wrote:
JimLurker34 wrote:
I agree with those who say that this is very unlikely to happen. What I could see is the top four G5 teams having a play-in series to determine who gets into the CFP. That would be quite exciting and would generate interest the whole season as teams jockey for position for those slots. This could rotate between some of the better of the G5 bowl games.


I don't think this can happen. The CFP will start in mid-December because the CFP is four rounds. I mean, if you pushed the playoff start back a week you could sneak in two rounds of play-in games between between the conference championships and the first round. I don't see that happening. But the other problem is that you are up to 19 possible games for the winner.


I think you essentially need to pull the whole rug, not just a thread.

I think it's a good idea to have the G5 playoff winner basically get a shot at the big boys... but I don't see the calendar lining up.

Which will be one of the reasons AD's from C-USA, Fun Belt, even Toledo, hell maybe even Julie - I would be interested in hearing her perspective - would be against. Cromer is the head of the NCAA Division I Transformation Committee. (was? still is?) I'm sure perspective is incredibly unique. Maybe I'll show up at one of the Bobcat Caravans and ask her.

Toledo had an outside shot. Liberty was only ranked #23 or #24. Looking back if it came together for OU, they had an outside shot. If Toledo played OU and they were both ranked. There's a chance the winner leaps Liberty. Miami didn't really get some momentum until the end, but THAT close could keep the carrot out there. So there has to be some sort of equal carrot... what kind of money could the "G5 National Championship" draw? Could we get a $4M-$5M pay-out for the winner? One big pot at the end. I don't think that seems like a lot. (Fiesta Bowl pays $4M for each team)

Last Edited: 4/26/2024 8:21:02 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/26/2024 9:16:01 AM 
If the G5 moves forward with this, they have to very much lean into amateurism, and sell the idea that these are students who play football because they like playing football.

They can't just be a less-than version of the P5, and they need to very proactively lean into the fact that they're what everybody claims to love about college sports. It doesn't work to just be the minor leagues.

But ultimately, I'm skeptical that there are enough G5 programs who have built up the fan support to make this viable. At every MAC school in Ohio, more students care about OSU than their own school's football team. True of Michigan/MSU and the directional Michigan schools, too. I think that probably holds true across the Sun Belt, Conference USA, etc.

Ultimately, the G5 schools have never been forced to create a business model that actually makes sense because they're more or less on P5 welfare. They need to look hard at niche athletic leagues for lessons and learn them fast.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/26/2024 6:13:08 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Concept that I found interesting was the term private equity


Imagine the world economy taking a nosedive because some PE firm put too much money into someone like New Mexico State.


That is not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is they are obviously thinking corporate sponsorship,and you have to be talking serious cash. That has me interested in what they think they have line up. As well as TV money. I would hope they have done ground work before they state this publicly


I was being sarcastic for the most part, because I can't imagine a PE firm getting a stake in an actual college football program. But...open that door elsewhere and someone is bound to make some stupid deal.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/26/2024 6:17:46 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
By doing nothing and letting the G5 get proportionately bent over a barrel (9% of 1.3 Billion - sure, Julie), Cromer and her AD/President colleagues in the G5 are blatantly guilty of BREACH OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY.

Additionally, any G5 school not re-negotiating or tearing up their P5 Buy Game (Ohio State, Nebraska) contracts and demanding more money in lieu of the significantly increased CFP money distributions from the networks is also committing the same BREACH. There should be lawsuits galore from people that don't want to watch Ohio State play 17 home games and face Alabama in the Playoff every year. Unfortunately, Cromer wants to be a part of that facade.

The Ohio Game at Ohio State is highway robbery for the economic impact to Ohio State, the football program, the athletic department, and the city of Columbus. Only a fool would think $1.9 Million (roughly what they are paying Will Howard) is a good deal for Ohio. This is absolutely atrocious, sad, and a terrible business decision. Who is allowing this nonsense? Any normal business person would be fired on the spot for accepting this. Playing Nebraska in 2026 for $1-$2 Million?????? (Time value of money anyone???) - Matt Rhule has a $74 MILLION Contract. Stop it already - Cromer is a laughing stock. Either kick Cromer and the other G5 Cronies to the curb and bring in some real businessmen, or hold her ass to the fire. The Bobcats - Like a Cuckold sitting in the corner right now. Time to get some adults in the room in the G5 discussions.

It's time these AD's started looking out for the people CURRENTLY PAYING THEIR SALARIES instead of looking for the next job at the P5. I'm sick of the poor strategic decisions being made (or more specifically, the lax inaction) as these carpetbaggers hunt for the next gig at Virginia or Maryland or Kansas.

Look no further than Ryan White -> Smug goofball used Ohio and abused Ohio - symptomatic of what's going on at every G5 school. Came to Ohio, tried to fake a few smiles and raise a few dollars like he did at UVA, then bolted for Kansas at the first chance he got. I saw right through it and told anyone who would listen.

These AD's and Presidents make horrific financial decisions at their current schools while their future employers make cuckolds out of them. Who loses? Us. Someone needs to hold these people to a higher standard. Class Action Lawsuit anyone - I'm in? - LOVE

PS - I said it to Schaus, I said to Groce, I said it to O'Shea, I said it to Ryan White, I said it to Jim Christian - I'm going to outlast every one of you single son of a bitches in driving my ass to Athens and supporting Ohio. I'll be here long after they are gone. And dead to rights - I've been correct every single time. The rest of you line up to slob on the knobs, and thus - we find ourselves in this very precarious position.


But but but LOVE, they gave a shot in the playoffs! We're included! We're just like them!

Last Edited: 4/26/2024 6:18:22 PM by GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/29/2024 9:32:43 AM 
Can we have it both ways? Still send our best as the G5 rep in the big tourney, and then everyone else play for the G5 championship?

Would a school always prefer the big boys tourney or would we get to a point that teams prefer the G5 tourney?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Group of 5 leaders discussing G5-only playoff, realignment as future options
   Posted: 4/29/2024 5:03:57 PM 
I think the plethora of 1960 NCAA College Division National Champions apparel available uptown and online answers all questions about the value of a G5 Playoff.
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   Posted: 4/30/2024 10:52:45 AM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
I think the plethora of 1960 NCAA College Division National Champions apparel available uptown and online answers all questions about the value of a G5 Playoff.


Times are different. Get on or get left behind. (We are getting left behind)
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   Posted: 4/30/2024 11:46:11 AM 
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.
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   Posted: 4/30/2024 12:58:40 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?

“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus

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   Posted: 4/30/2024 2:19:49 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?



And how frequently does such a thing happen? Are these contracts ever renegotiated unless one team develops a scheduling conflict? I don't know how to quantify the actual value of the game... We get bought out of a home game for far more than we would make for any home game (glad to be shown wrong here if that's the case). 100k fans at $100/pop is 10 million. Should we demand half the gate? ~5mil? If we had the upper hand, we could demand more $ or demand a home game instead at contract time. It also seems that we're grabbing buyouts more in line with our MAC brethren now vs Schaus, who seemed to have another angle leading to less money... basketball game, 2 for 1s, etc.
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   Posted: 4/30/2024 2:26:44 PM 
I actually wouldn't be shocked to see a lot of these contracts severed as the powers-that-be realize they don't need the smaller schools to fill out their schedules every year. With a 12-team playoff, some of these guys can afford a loss or two and still get in.

Or the TV networks demand more "helmet" games in the regular season and they're obligated to play each other.

Last Edited: 4/30/2024 2:30:22 PM by GoCats105
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   Posted: 4/30/2024 6:09:38 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?



We give Ohio State access to a student body and alumni base that on average pays far more attention to OSU football than they do their alma mater.

That's gotta be worth something.
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?



And how frequently does such a thing happen? Are these contracts ever renegotiated unless one team develops a scheduling conflict? I don't know how to quantify the actual value of the game... We get bought out of a home game for far more than we would make for any home game (glad to be shown wrong here if that's the case). 100k fans at $100/pop is 10 million. Should we demand half the gate? ~5mil? If we had the upper hand, we could demand more $ or demand a home game instead at contract time. It also seems that we're grabbing buyouts more in line with our MAC brethren now vs Schaus, who seemed to have another angle leading to less money... basketball game, 2 for 1s, etc.


Simple: FOIA the contract and see what contract language would potentially allow for this...or, would it be breach of contract if we attempted...and tOSUcks walks with the breach of contract penalty from OHIO, and then finds a patsy to come to the oblonged toilet bowl for a beatdown.

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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   Posted: 4/30/2024 8:36:02 PM 
D.A. wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?



And how frequently does such a thing happen? Are these contracts ever renegotiated unless one team develops a scheduling conflict? I don't know how to quantify the actual value of the game... We get bought out of a home game for far more than we would make for any home game (glad to be shown wrong here if that's the case). 100k fans at $100/pop is 10 million. Should we demand half the gate? ~5mil? If we had the upper hand, we could demand more $ or demand a home game instead at contract time. It also seems that we're grabbing buyouts more in line with our MAC brethren now vs Schaus, who seemed to have another angle leading to less money... basketball game, 2 for 1s, etc.


Simple: FOIA the contract and see what contract language would potentially allow for this...or, would it be breach of contract if we attempted...and tOSUcks walks with the breach of contract penalty from OHIO, and then finds a patsy to come to the oblonged toilet bowl for a beatdown.


Simpler: Julie will be at Jackie O's on May 8th taking questions in front of several hundred Bobcats. Get good and ginned up and ask her in person!

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday
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   Posted: 5/1/2024 12:40:47 PM 
D.A. wrote:
Simple: FOIA the contract and see what contract language would potentially allow for this...or, would it be breach of contract if we attempted...and tOSUcks walks with the breach of contract penalty from OHIO, and then finds a patsy to come to the oblonged toilet bowl for a beatdown.


Simpler: Julie will be at Jackie O's on May 8th taking questions in front of several hundred Bobcats. Get good and ginned up and ask her in person!
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Simplest: Have SBH assign his son to corner Julie at the caravan to ask her.
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   Posted: 5/1/2024 12:45:15 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.


They have? To whom? Expanded playoff means they have an even greater cushion. Why even pay to play down?

The more likely scenario is the games are cancelled and OU is replaced by one of the BIG18.

Last Edited: 5/1/2024 12:47:36 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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