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| 2015 DT Brian Arp (Kearney, NE) - Ohio Signee |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:06:40 PM |
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| RE: 2015 DT Brian Arp (Kearney, NE) - Ohio Commit |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 10:09:25 PM |
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Arp is a Super-State, Prep Extra 1st Teamer!!!
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| RE: 2015 DT Brian Arp (Kearney, NE) - Ohio Commit |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 6:36:37 AM |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:30:27 AM |
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Looks like another Casey Sayles type, a big guy with some speed that can play both DE and DT. Definitely a solid addition.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:58:28 AM |
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Posted: 7/5/2014 12:47:48 AM |
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Posted: 7/5/2014 1:58:57 PM |
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Don't get me wrong, this kid looks pretty good and has legit size. But one thing that puzzles me is why is a Nebraska all state top 10-20 prospect only getting a few other low end offers. For a state with a great college team, I'm not too impressed overall with what I've seen come out of their high schools ranks. Maybe I'm just too spoiled with the wealth of prospects coming out of Ohio.
Last Edited: 7/5/2014 3:52:32 PM by Checkrama
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Posted: 7/5/2014 4:09:47 PM |
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| ...But one thing that puzzles me is why is a Nebraska all state top 10-20 prospect only getting a few other low end offers. For a state with a great college team, I'm not too impressed overall with what I've seen come out of their high schools ranks. .. |
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Keep in mind that the population of Ohio is about 10x as high as Nebraska, so logically it should produce 10x as much talent. Thus a #10 prospect in Nebraska is comparable to a #100 prospect in Ohio.
Nebraska does produce a fairly large number of Division I players for a state its size. Normally Nebraska takes a few, and other schools like Kansas State, Iowa State, Ohio, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, and North Dakota State also regularly pick up players from Nebraska. A large portion of the Division I players that come from Nebraska are linemen, but they do produce some others, too.
Here's a list of Ohio players that have come from Nebraska since Solich arrived:
2005 - Josh Leuck (LT)
2006 - Cole Bunner (RT)
2007 - Noah Keller (MLB), Matt Donahue (WR
2008 -
2009 - James Davis (LG), , Jon Lechner (LT/LG)
2010 - Bryce Dietz (OL)
2011 - Devin Bass (CB), Derrius Vick (QB)
2012 - Jake Schany (LB)
2013 - Casey Sayles (DE/DT)
Most of these have been starters. Some have been All-MAC. Some had injury issues that reduced playing time, or ended it (Bunner, Dietz, Shany, Lechner). A couple, after playing well as true freshmen got homesick (Donahue, Davis). I can't look at anyone on this list and say they were a bad recruit. I think Arp is going to be a great recruit, too.
Last Edited: 7/5/2014 4:10:15 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 7:20:53 PM |
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Just checked and Rivals had the following info from the 2011 D-1 signings.
Ohio 144 signees 1/382 high school players
Nebraska 8 signees 1/1333 high school players
Ohio was 5th among the states in number and 9th for ratio
Nebraska was 36th with number and 33rd for ratio (Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Connecticut were among those lower in ratio)
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Posted: 7/6/2014 10:57:59 AM |
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| colobobcat66 wrote: | |
Just checked and Rivals had the following info from the 2011 D-1 signings.
Ohio 144 signees 1/382 high school players
Nebraska 8 signees 1/1333 high school players
Ohio was 5th among the states in number and 9th for ratio
Nebraska was 36th with number and 33rd for ratio (Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Connecticut were among those lower in ratio) |
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Interesting data, thanks. My gut tells me that 8 is probably a relatively low year for Nebraska, but I doubt they ever get to 24, which is what it would take to have a similar ratio.
I do know that the players Ohio has taken from Nebraska have all turned out to be pretty good players, and that North Dakota State built into an FCS power largely built on recruiting Nebraska, so there is at least some talent there, if not Snob-5 level talent.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 10:38:59 PM |
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Scout has 151 from Ohio and 8 from Nebraska in 2013, about the same as 2011 rivals numbers
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Posted: 7/7/2014 1:55:24 AM |
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| colobobcat66 wrote: | |
| Scout has 151 from Ohio and 8 from Nebraska in 2013, about the same as 2011 rivals numbers |
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colobobcat66, a good deal of the rural schools play 8-man ball. Yet an all time team of Nebraska players would start with; QB Crouch (Heisman) or Scott Frost, RB Ahman Green 9K NFL yards, FB Tom Rathman 2 Super Bowls, WR J. Rodgers Heisman, C Rimington 2 Outland Trophy, G Steinkuhler Outland Trophy, T Weigert Outland Trophy, enough other 1st team All American OL to fill a two deep depth chart. Ohio would likely have more/better, but, Nebraska kids love football.
Last Edited: 7/7/2014 11:42:44 PM by Bcat2
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:27:37 AM |
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It is true that kids rarely end up with a Division I offer from 8-man football, though some do walk on and do well.
In the end the key question is, how have the Nebraska players done at Ohio? Is it a good idea to continue to recruit them? It isn't like Ohio is loading the team with them; they take about 1 a year. I would say that the track record of them is pretty good. The Oklahoma connection was pretty good as well, but seems to have been short-lived. Ohio also was getting a lot of good players out of Pennsylvania for awhile, but in recent years they haven't gotten any from there.
As for Ohio players, I would say that the Ohio players in the early Solich years were generally players not recruited by anyone else, and on the whole were not as strong as some other groups. The Ohio players the last few years are quite another matter. Most have 2-5 other offers, and I think they are going to turn out to be very, very good.
Last Edited: 7/7/2014 7:30:12 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 8:50:55 AM |
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I wonder if high school coaches in Nebraska, knowing they have prospects on their team that are not quite Big Ten players, are actively steering their kids to consider Ohio.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 9:12:52 AM |
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I'm on board with the Nebraska kids doing pretty well here and I hope we keep getting some of the best in the state. I was just addressing the real numbers, not just some speculation about number of college players from Nebraska. It's a small population state, but does better than some in producing good talent.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 11:41:49 AM |
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| colobobcat66 wrote: | |
| I'm on board with the Nebraska kids doing pretty well here and I hope we keep getting some of the best in the state. I was just addressing the real numbers, not just some speculation about number of college players from Nebraska. It's a small population state, but does better than some in producing good talent. |
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Better than some, worse than others, it seems. I found your data very interesting.
I would say it's also less heavily recruited than more population-dense states, which means that Ohio is able to land a top eight player from the state more easily than a Top 50 player from Ohio.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 1:14:53 PM |
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I wonder if high school coaches in Nebraska, knowing they have prospects on their team that are not quite Big Ten players, are actively steering their kids to consider Ohio.
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I would say yes. There would still be a group accross the state who believe coach Solich was treated badly by Nebraska and feel coach will take good care of their athletes.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:07:25 AM |
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| Checkrama wrote: | |
| ...But one thing that puzzles me is why is a Nebraska all state top 10-20 prospect only getting a few other low end offers. For a state with a great college team, I'm not too impressed overall with what I've seen come out of their high schools ranks. .. |
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Keep in mind that the population of Ohio is about 10x as high as Nebraska, so logically it should produce 10x as much talent. Thus a #10 prospect in Nebraska is comparable to a #100 prospect in Ohio.
Nebraska does produce a fairly large number of Division I players for a state its size. Normally Nebraska takes a few, and other schools like Kansas State, Iowa State, Ohio, Colorado, Colorado State, Wyoming, and North Dakota State also regularly pick up players from Nebraska. A large portion of the Division I players that come from Nebraska are linemen, but they do produce some others, too.
Here's a list of Ohio players that have come from Nebraska since Solich arrived:
2005 - Josh Leuck (LT)
2006 - Cole Bunner (RT)
2007 - Noah Keller (MLB), Matt Donahue (WR
2008 -
2009 - James Davis (LG), , Jon Lechner (LT/LG)
2010 - Bryce Dietz (OL)
2011 - Devin Bass (CB), Derrius Vick (QB)
2012 - Jake Schany (LB)
2013 - Casey Sayles (DE/DT)
Most of these have been starters. Some have been All-MAC. Some had injury issues that reduced playing time, or ended it (Bunner, Dietz, Shany, Lechner). A couple, after playing well as true freshmen got homesick (Donahue, Davis). I can't look at anyone on this list and say they were a bad recruit. I think Arp is going to be a great recruit, too.
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One from Omaha that somehow wound up an All MAC OT at EMU and #41 of top 50 MAC players. Lincoln Hansen.
http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/7/15/5874757/lincoln-hanse...
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Posted: 12/14/2014 4:11:56 PM |
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Named First team all-state http://tinyurl.com/koklkfe
Looking over the Nebraska players with D-I offers, I think there are three to Nebraska, one to K-State, one to Ohio, and 2 to Wyoming, and that's it, a total of 7.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:37:54 AM |
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Named First team all-state http://tinyurl.com/koklkfe
Looking over the Nebraska players with D-I offers, I think there are three to Nebraska, one to K-State, one to Ohio, and 2 to Wyoming, and that's it, a total of 7. |
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7 from the entire state?
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Posted: 12/15/2014 12:51:33 PM |
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There may be some others from Nebraska that are still considering options, too, so 7 isn't a final number. I think that the norm for the state is 10-12 a year. Nebraska is a recruiting hotbed, you know, so obviously they should be in the national title hunt every year. ;)
Seriously, they have 1/10 the population of Ohio, so 10-12 from there would be equivalent to 100-120 for the state of Ohio, which I think is about the norm.
Last Edited: 12/15/2014 12:54:11 PM by L.C.
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