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Topic: RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Topic: RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

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Bean Salad Surgery
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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 11:35:14 AM

Total agreement on Wilkins, he's now earned minutes as a ballplayer, not just a 3-point specialist. He never was comfortable in that role, passing away a lot of shots. Now when he takes a 3 it's in the rhythm of the game. The thing that surprises me about Setty is that after being under the coaching staff's care and supervision for over a year, he can't shoot. I've never seen anyone successfully line up the hoop from a release point around the ear. There's still time; he's only a sophomore, but with an accurate 15-footer this kid could be pretty good. He hustles and is pretty coordinated, and he is 6'9"

Last Edited: 2/2/2014 12:14:04 PM by Bean Salad Surgery

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 3:57:13 PM

Setty's defense, which is supposed to be his strong point, was non existent against Toledo. He got beat twice underneath in about a minute of playing time and got yanked. I keep reading all these superlatives about his game but honestly he is such a liability on offense the other team doesn't even need to cover him.

One other point, he is already 21 and will be 22 in July. If he doesn't have game by now he probably isn't going to get it. It's not like he is an 18 year old. Yes he's a sophomore but most students graduate when they are 21.

Last Edited: 2/2/2014 4:14:24 PM by PhiTau74

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 4:56:44 PM

PhiTau74 wrote:

name one student that has graduated at age 21.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 9:40:09 PM

I graduated at 21.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 10:08:27 PM

Me too. With a double major...Not to brag.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/2/2014 10:30:30 PM

I graduated HS at 17....finishing college at 21 is not really that uncommon. Still the youngest guy at my reunions.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 12:48:28 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

I graduated at 21.

Me too.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 1:47:40 PM

I graduated at 21 with a double major, also.

Setty is too amped up when he comes in the game and I think it clouds his judgement. He does play pretty good defense, but sometimes over pursues the play. I love his effort and hope his body can catch up with how fast his mind is moving.

Wilkins is definitely the most improved player on the team. He, like Nick, has evolved from just being a spot up shooter. He is also a pretty good passer, which helps the flow of the offense. While he isn't the fastest guy, he is almost always in the right position on defense. I appreciate a player that makes very few mental mistakes. I think he is close to playing at his maximum potential, which is a huge improvement over last year.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 2:09:54 PM

Borna and me together...HS at 17 and OU at 21.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 2:54:56 PM

If you youngsters really wanna get scared, go check out how old Willis and Wilkins are.......

Last Edited: 2/3/2014 2:55:10 PM by The Optimist

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 3:08:48 PM

The Optimist wrote:

If you youngsters really wanna get scared, go check out how old Willis and Wilkins are.......

Wilkins is like 26 and married, and Willis is 23 I believe.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 3:38:42 PM

now name the last bball player to graduate at 21.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 6:26:24 PM

perimeterpost wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

name one student that has graduated at age 21.

As for developing as a player, I think most basketball players peak in their late 20s so I'd say there is plenty of chance for Setty to still develop.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 8:33:27 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

perimeterpost wrote:

PhiTau74 wrote:

name one student that has graduated at age 21.

I think the truth is somewhere in between. There are a lot of students who aren't yet 22 when they graduate, though most of them are within three or four months at most of turning 22. But the majority of students are 22 or older for sure.

As for developing as a player, I think most basketball players peak in their late 20s so I'd say there is plenty of chance for Setty to still develop.

my point being, the phrase "most students graduate when they are 21" is simply not true. 21 is the exception, not the rule.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 11:00:04 PM

When Setty signed on, wasn't there talk that he was a big man who can shoot the 3ball? Isn't he effectively learning a new position, a new way to play the game with us?

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/3/2014 11:13:48 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

I graduated HS at 17....finishing college at 21 is not really that uncommon. Still the youngest guy at my reunions.

most immature too

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/4/2014 6:57:44 AM

cc cat wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

I graduated HS at 17....finishing college at 21 is not really that uncommon. Still the youngest guy at my reunions.

most immature too

my ex would tell you I was world's most responsible 12 year old.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 4:55:07 PM

This thread deserves a bump . . . after the great game that Wilkins played.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 5:04:16 PM

Another outstanding game by the soon to be 22 year old Setty, 0 points, no rebounds and 2 fouls. I made my point didn't I.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 5:14:54 PM

Disagree, PhiTau74. When I watch Setty, I see a guy who brings to the game stuff that I consider key: He hustles and plays team ball (always tries to help his teammates). I see him try to set screens and shading to help other guys on defense or picking up on switches.

An admitted bias: When I played hoop (arthur-ritis stopped that a few years ago) I had very little physical skill but could hang and enjoyed playing due to hustle and smarts/team play.

Has Treg been effective and put up huge numbers? Has he made mistakes and looked out of place/awkward at times?

The numbers have not been there in a big way. And, he's gotten fouls.

But it's my understanding that power forward (isn't that what we're asking of him?) is new to Treg.

I see a guy who's generally getting better the more he plays, who's willingly taken on a role which we need filled, and who plays the game the right way.

So, for now, we'll have to disagree. Let's see how it goes....

p.s. this analogy is not perfect..it asks a lot: but weren't most people saying at about this time last year that Wilkins was a waste?

Last Edited: 2/8/2014 5:16:51 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 5:21:32 PM

Treg has been a big disappointment...just like Bean.
Wish Campbell would get more minutes and move Nick to point when Taylor is out.
The Bean is not a point guard...shoot first mentality. Not good.

Last Edited: 2/8/2014 5:21:47 PM by FearLeon

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 5:54:40 PM

both of Setty's fouls came when he was diving for a loose ball. value isn't always determined by stat. See: Jon Smith.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 6:27:28 PM

diving and getting the ball is one thing...diving on top of an opponent is wasted effort and dumb!

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/8/2014 10:44:43 PM

A). Wilkins is playing well. He has become a different player this year and deserves all kinds of props for what he is doing. Key rebounds are sometimes overlooked but his basketball sense is very evident. He is a regular part of the rotation so like others have mentioned the thread has sort of changed.

not sure why the hate for Setty. Watching the game right now and the 2 fouls on him were not wasteful or stupid (or whatever they were called). Both were off of hustle plays to get the ball with when no body could get a handle. It would be great if we could get more minutes out of part of our bench but Setty has given needed, albeit short, relief most of the year. I would say I am disappointed but not outraged at Setty's contribution.

The use of Bean today was better than some games. Like has been mentioned, it seemed that we depended more on Nick or Travis to get the offense moving and put Bean more as a 2 guard.

Campbell is a freshman. He is getting there but additional playing time in these kinds of games isn't something we have the luxury to see. We need to be putting 40 minutes of good ball against teams like Miami so that he can get some extended time.

All this is IMHO.

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RE: Setty and Wilkins Played Good Games

Posted: 2/9/2014 2:32:18 PM

Though I bumped this thread because of the great play of Wilkins against the Butler County Bullies, I'm not that down on Setty. I agree that he hasn't played as well in the last few games, but even when he doesn't play well he is always hustling and as Monroe says he plays good team ball. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the kinds of improvements that Wilkins has over the next few months and into next season.

On thing about this team -- which I think is good -- is that you can't really just point to one guy and say that he is the key to the team's success. Sure, Nature Boy, is the best athlete on the team and can do things in the post that no one else can, but since he's constantly double-teamed, it takes others scoring and/or getting the ball to N'dour in creative ways to keep things flowing. I think yesterday on two separate occasions Stevie Taylor drives the basket, draws one of the defenders away from Maurice and just as the ball is ready to be swatted away by said defender, Stevie reverses direction and hands it off to N'dour for a dunk. That's good team play in my book! Did I say that I love this whole team? Great time to be a Bobcat.

Last Edited: 2/9/2014 2:34:20 PM by OhioCatFan

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