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Posted: 6/24/2013 5:23 PM
How does everyone feel about the idea of training on campus as opposed to going to various summer leagues around the country to play?
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Posted: 6/24/2013 9:12 PM
Its interesting. It cant be that common? Did Creighton or Purdue do this?
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Posted: 6/24/2013 9:40 PM
I don't believe coach has stopped players from going to summer leagues his previous stops. I heard is was more to do with keeping the team together so they can work out together and focus on team chemistry.
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Posted: 6/24/2013 9:49 PM
So are the Copperheads still playing?
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Posted: 6/24/2013 11:02 PM
Copperheads still playing, just not Bobcats.
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Posted: 6/24/2013 11:33 PM
Hooligan wrote:expand_more
I don't believe coach has stopped players from going to summer leagues his previous stops. I heard is was more to do with keeping the team together so they can work out together and focus on team chemistry.


I don't really get that though. How much can they actually do together as a team? I would think more teams would do it if you could have full practices and scrimmages and stuff.

Also, who is paying the bill for this? It is much easier to keep basketball and football on campus because they have free rides. Baseball is having their freshmen arrive on campus early, and the underclassmen staying on campus all summer?
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Posted: 6/25/2013 9:12 AM
Is this really what they are doing???  No one is playing in a summer baseball league?

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Posted: 6/25/2013 7:40 PM
I don't know the financial side of what's going on but I know quite a few are practicing on a daily basis. Also, the Copperheads pay some of them to work on the field throughout the season.
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Posted: 6/26/2013 8:53 PM
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I don't know the financial side of what's going on but I know quite a few are practicing on a daily basis. Also, the Copperheads pay some of them to work on the field throughout the season.
That's a great recruiting tool, "you can fix the field so others can play".

This is simply stupid. As for who's paying, 11.9 schollies, there are a lot of kids on their own dime.
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Posted: 7/4/2013 12:24 PM
I posted this in another thread but worth stating here....

Not letting these kids play summer ball is going to hurt player development, decimate their chances at getting drafted, and ultimately be a drain with recruiting. Anyone with a shot at the pros isn't going to want to play somewhere that doesn't let them play summer ball.

I'm beginning to think Rob Smith's tenure in Athens is going to be more like Semeka Randall's than John Groce's.
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Posted: 7/5/2013 3:32 AM
What a complete joke!!!  I wouldn't expect anything else based on what I witnessed in the spring.  The stupidity continues.
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Posted: 7/8/2013 4:31 PM
Players will be allowed to play summer ball next year. 
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Posted: 7/9/2013 12:04 AM
So why not this year?
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Posted: 7/30/2013 4:02 PM
The boys have actually been practicing a lot together and have developed a stronger team chemistry. The freshman have also been able to get a chance to work out with the upper classmen as well as get comfortable with meeting the work ethic that Smith upholds for his team. 

I see many comments on the boards like these but how many of you actually come out to watch these players in action instead of just reading the stats?
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Posted: 7/30/2013 9:51 PM
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The boys have actually been practicing a lot together and have developed a stronger team chemistry. The freshman have also been able to get a chance to work out with the upper classmen as well as get comfortable with meeting the work ethic that Smith upholds for his team. 

I see many comments on the boards like these but how many of you actually come out to watch these players in action instead of just reading the stats?


Reading the stats?!?! 14-39 is certainly a telling one. Worst ERA (5.68) in the MAC is another. I don't care how good they "look"...sports is a results-oriented activity. And the results weren't good!

For the record, I was also able to watch 6-7 games last year. And they looked about as good as the stats above indicate. I didn't see a lot of fight or passion out there, either. And the number of players kicked off the team probably wasn't a great indicator of success.

Smith is a mediocre coach who will get mediocre results, at best. You're hard pressed to find many around Athens that speak highly of him...and it's not just Carbone supporters. I hope this year can be better, but I fear baseball is entering a Bryant/Lichtenberg-esque era of futility.
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Posted: 7/31/2013 9:25 AM
bobcat72 wrote:expand_more
The boys have actually been practicing a lot together and have developed a stronger team chemistry. The freshman have also been able to get a chance to work out with the upper classmen as well as get comfortable with meeting the work ethic that Smith upholds for his team. 

I see many comments on the boards like these but how many of you actually come out to watch these players in action instead of just reading the stats?


Reading the stats?!?! 14-39 is certainly a telling one. Worst ERA (5.68) in the MAC is another. I don't care how good they "look"...sports is a results-oriented activity. And the results weren't good!

For the record, I was also able to watch 6-7 games last year. And they looked about as good as the stats above indicate. I didn't see a lot of fight or passion out there, either. And the number of players kicked off the team probably wasn't a great indicator of success.

Smith is a mediocre coach who will get mediocre results, at best. You're hard pressed to find many around Athens that speak highly of him...and it's not just Carbone supporters. I hope this year can be better, but I fear baseball is entering a Bryant/Lichtenberg-esque era of futility.


Of course, they weren't good last year. Coaches often leave just as things are going to be the worst and leave it for someone else to deal with. I'm willing to give a pass on stats and results for the first year.

Players kicked off the team or quitting may be for the better. It's hard to say.

Same with the summer workouts rather than leagues. Kinda sounds like the team needed to be together more than anything, but I guess we'll see how it works out. Either way, I get the rationale behind it. I don't know if the program will ever be great, but I just don't see any reason to be that negative about it yet.
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Posted: 7/31/2013 1:01 PM
I still would love to know how a team with 11.7 scholarships can force 35 guys to stay on campus all summer. Hopefully the team has some rich parents, or the Copperheads pay $30/hour to drag the field.
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Posted: 7/31/2013 6:11 PM
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I still would love to know how a team with 11.7 scholarships can force 35 guys to stay on campus all summer. Hopefully the team has some rich parents, or the Copperheads pay $30/hour to drag the field.


I'm not asking to challenge your points but because I'm not super familiar with how the summer leagues work. Don't the guys pay their own expenses, including rent for where they stay in those leagues? What percentage of players are able to get placed on teams near to where they are from so they can stay with their parents?
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Posted: 7/31/2013 9:33 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I'm not asking to challenge your points but because I'm not super familiar with how the summer leagues work. Don't the guys pay their own expenses, including rent for where they stay in those leagues? What percentage of players are able to get placed on teams near to where they are from so they can stay with their parents?


They all get host families, or team houses free of charge (if they want to utilize it).

Meals are paid for on the road, although the per diem is less than it is during the school season.

Teams like the Cincinnati Steam only target players from the area, so they are an exception.
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Posted: 7/31/2013 9:49 PM
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The boys have actually been practicing a lot together and have developed a stronger team chemistry. The freshman have also been able to get a chance to work out with the upper classmen as well as get comfortable with meeting the work ethic that Smith upholds for his team.

I see many comments on the boards like these but how many of you actually come out to watch these players in action instead of just reading the stats?
If this method is so wonderful, then why isn't everyone else doing this? And how do you think this will play out on the recruiting trail, when coaches talk about how many kids they have playing in the Cape Cod League, and OHIO is talking about how much they get paid dragging the field in the summer. $20 says the administration does not allow this fiasco to happen next summer.
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Posted: 7/31/2013 10:06 PM
I honestly didn't even think this was allowed under NCAA rules.

You are only allowed to have up to four players from the same school on a summer league team.

So they can't actually be having full team workouts.
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Posted: 8/1/2013 7:22 PM
My understanding is this is a 1 year thing? It wont happen every summer, players will play in summer leagues next summer.
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Posted: 8/1/2013 7:27 PM
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I still would love to know how a team with 11.7 scholarships can force 35 guys to stay on campus all summer. Hopefully the team has some rich parents, or the Copperheads pay $30/hour to drag the field.


Most guys live off campus where their lease agreements/rental term begins during the first week in June.  They are paying rent anyway so why not live there and take a couple classes?  I imagine that some of the underclass men are staying in off campus housing too.  I happened to stop by the facility last Tuesday.... players were conducting a full scale 2 hour practice that featured all the intensity and effort expected of them when the coaching staff is present.  They took a fast-paced, intense round of infield/outfield, followed by a 9 inning scrimmage.  Pitchers conducted their own bullpen sessions.  I was impressed.  Leadership roles were apparent.   

I haven't seen many Ohio players playing in the big-time summer leagues out East.  Most of our guys are placed in the Great Lakes or Prospect league .  Hell, they spend more time riding a bus than playing baseball anyway.  I saw probably 20+ Prospect League games over the last couple years,,,, very little coaching takes place, very,very few pro scouts ever attend.  No weight training takes place, no conditioning takes place, and a lot of just plain ole goofing off occurs.  I doubt that many of the players in these leages get any better at their skills.
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Posted: 8/1/2013 7:50 PM
So the team sounds like they are holding full practices with team scrimmages.

I haven't read the 5000 page NCAA rule book, but I'm pretty sure if that is true, they are breaking practice limits. You can't just practice as a full team all summer.
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Posted: 8/1/2013 10:38 PM
Catdude wrote:expand_more
I still would love to know how a team with 11.7 scholarships can force 35 guys to stay on campus all summer. Hopefully the team has some rich parents, or the Copperheads pay $30/hour to drag the field.


Most guys live off campus where their lease agreements/rental term begins during the first week in June. They are paying rent anyway so why not live there and take a couple classes? I imagine that some of the underclass men are staying in off campus housing too. I happened to stop by the facility last Tuesday.... players were conducting a full scale 2 hour practice that featured all the intensity and effort expected of them when the coaching staff is present. They took a fast-paced, intense round of infield/outfield, followed by a 9 inning scrimmage. Pitchers conducted their own bullpen sessions. I was impressed. Leadership roles were apparent.

I haven't seen many Ohio players playing in the big-time summer leagues out East. Most of our guys are placed in the Great Lakes or Prospect league . Hell, they spend more time riding a bus than playing baseball anyway. I saw probably 20+ Prospect League games over the last couple years,,,, very little coaching takes place, very,very few pro scouts ever attend. No weight training takes place, no conditioning takes place, and a lot of just plain ole goofing off occurs. I doubt that many of the players in these leages get any better at their skills.

Like I said if this is so great why isn't everyone doing it?
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