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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:25 PM
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I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
I agree. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that this would be the end of Div I mid major basketball as we know it. It would be utter chaos on rosters every year. It would be comparable to the juco world, except for the GPA requirement. But even that would be a joke as players anticipating potential future transferring would load up on easy courses to meet the GPA needed.

I'd love to hear why someone from South Dakota St thinks this is a good idea. It would be open season poaching of mid major players by high majors.
I can see why players might want this, but I can't understand why at least 80% of coaches would think this is a good plan. Even for players, there will be plenty who will likely be effectively forced out by transfers who are deemed better. I'm hoping this is merely something being discussed rather than reality. Considering that other sources haven't reported this that I'm aware of, that may well be the case.
Gary Parrish of CBS has an opinion on it. It won't be popular here:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/potenti... /
He's vastly underestimating the negative impacts. If you further poison the sport, you could kill the goose which lays the golden egg. Unstable programs made that way through transferitis....I'm not seeing that as being in the best interest of the student athlete.

Recruiting would become an absolute nightmare. Assistants would spend the entire year combing the rosters of other teams for poaching targets. Dishonest programs would have a field day, while the Sauls of the world would not be able to build programs the right way.
Last Edited: 9/7/2017 11:27:10 PM by Jeff McKinney
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Posted: 9/8/2017 7:27 AM
I don't know how many people here know this but,in addition to the NCAA,individual conferences have transfer rules.

I got in education in this because of a PSU wrestler who wanted to transfer to Rutgers.

The B1G has a number of restrictions on transfers between B1G schools.
They include not only sitting for a year in ANY sport,but also the loss of a year of eligibility.
You can request a "waiver" from the B1G,but it isn't easy.

I would think if the NCAA goes this way conferences may look into this type of action.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 11:01 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
I agree. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that this would be the end of Div I mid major basketball as we know it. It would be utter chaos on rosters every year. It would be comparable to the juco world, except for the GPA requirement. But even that would be a joke as players anticipating potential future transferring would load up on easy courses to meet the GPA needed.

I'd love to hear why someone from South Dakota St thinks this is a good idea. It would be open season poaching of mid major players by high majors.
I can see why players might want this, but I can't understand why at least 80% of coaches would think this is a good plan. Even for players, there will be plenty who will likely be effectively forced out by transfers who are deemed better. I'm hoping this is merely something being discussed rather than reality. Considering that other sources haven't reported this that I'm aware of, that may well be the case.
Gary Parrish of CBS has an opinion on it. It won't be popular here:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/potenti... /
He's vastly underestimating the negative impacts. If you further poison the sport, you could kill the goose which lays the golden egg. Unstable programs made that way through transferitis....I'm not seeing that as being in the best interest of the student athlete.

Recruiting would become an absolute nightmare. Assistants would spend the entire year combing the rosters of other teams for poaching targets. Dishonest programs would have a field day, while the Sauls of the world would not be able to build programs the right way.
I totally agree Jeff. I'm not a fan of Gary's writing because he impresses me as a total homer to the schools CBS broadcasts. And, like Bilas, he increasingly doesn't want to see all sides of the story.

And without going too far into it, he and others following his line of thinking act like having to sit a year when a player chooses, on their own, to transfer is some kind of massive hardship. I simply don't agree. For starters, it allows for a greater likelihood that a player finishes their years of eligibility with a completed degree.

I could get behind the idea of a rule allowing for no sit-out year if your coach leaves, or your program is put on some kind of sanction/suspension, but that's about it.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 11:10 AM
And, as usual, if you want to read quality writing about college basketball, you go to DeCourcy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-tra... ?
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:14 PM
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And, as usual, if you want to read quality writing about college basketball, you go to DeCourcy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-tra... ?
Wow, had no idea about nearly 40% of the transfers losing all their credits. That's astonishing.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 1:29 PM
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And, as usual, if you want to read quality writing about college basketball, you go to DeCourcy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-tra... ?
Wow, had no idea about nearly 40% of the transfers losing all their credits. That's astonishing.
Wonder how many of the lost credits are in a BSS or similar curriculum ?
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:21 PM
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And, as usual, if you want to read quality writing about college basketball, you go to DeCourcy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-tra... ?
Wow, had no idea about nearly 40% of the transfers losing all their credits. That's astonishing.
I think that stat is for all transfers across all schools - athletes and non-athletes.
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Posted: 9/8/2017 4:22 PM
If you're interested in investing time listening, this segment with Dakich and Greenberg is fantastic. Link to the podcast in the tweet.


https://twitter.com/SethOnHoops/status/906240134428983298
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:49 PM
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Jason Carter would (most likely) NOT be on our roster this year if this rule were in place.
Wait..what? DId I miss something?
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Posted: 9/9/2017 1:30 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
And, as usual, if you want to read quality writing about college basketball, you go to DeCourcy:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/ncaa-tra... ?
Wow, had no idea about nearly 40% of the transfers losing all their credits. That's astonishing.
I think that stat is for all transfers across all schools - athletes and non-athletes.
From the way the article is written,including referencing the value of the year in residence to "those students" I think the statistic is for athletes only.

When I transferred from O.U. to F.D.U I lost about 1 year of credits.
But that was because of how they calculated Quarter vs. Semester credit hours.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:38 AM
Interesting watching this. I have long been a fan of, and chastised for, supporting the 1 year sit. Having transferred and lost credits, taken time to meet new profs, get settled in and learn the campus I know it takes a bit to get reset.

Listened to Dakich talk the other day...more like a rant. He took a stand I did not expect and threw out the example of Bonzi Wells....he said as an asst to Coach Knight ..."Knight would have seen Bonzi in November put up points on a major opponent and see a weakness in his program and say to the asst. "Go get that guy, we can have him eligible second semester for conference, tell his family what ever you need to..." and we would go steal a player" Not sure that would be how it would work but he went on to explain what a bad idea it is....this from a guy who has a kid that just got picked up by tO$U after graduating early from Michigan.
never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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Posted: 9/11/2017 2:55 PM
On the topic of transfers, here's an interesting study on where transfers go, the study is since 2012. I also included the Twitter feed between a few writers that has some additional info in it.

The basics are that in the study, 58% of D1 transfers since 2012 have actually left D1, and only about 8% have "transferred up". Interesting data as we talk about sit out years.


http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/09/11/study-r... /

https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/907276249080455170
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Posted: 9/11/2017 9:48 PM
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Well that thread has all the suspects involved and some of what tends to get bandied about in the bar, but it is here, right out in the open. Goodman taking hits and lashing back out at Snow with Dakich somehow getting dragged in even though he is not even there. Usually only get to hear these remarks after hours after beers
never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

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Posted: 9/11/2017 10:44 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
If you're interested in investing time listening, this segment with Dakich and Greenberg is fantastic. Link to the podcast in the tweet.


https://twitter.com/SethOnHoops/status/906240134428983298
That was pretty good. Straight talk. Good segment on mid major scheduling and how to get games. Good talk on the cottage industry that college basketball opines and talk have become....Thanks for posting. Good to put on while driving.
never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer.....

The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game
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