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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:12 PM
Oregon only goes 7 deep, they must be in phenomenal shape. Their zone was fantastic for the first 13 minutes for the first half. They are very small but athletic, will they be able to pull off the upset? Gonzaga will be the first mid major to play in a championship game since Butler did it twice in a row.
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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:19 PM
I keep hearing Talking Heads correct folks who refer to Gonzaga as a mid major. Their conference is... but in the eyes of the guys who get paid to talk hoops none considers them a mid major
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Posted: 4/1/2017 10:36 PM
They are a mid major like Butler used to be that runs a system and strives for exellence. We can be the same thing, we just have to believe. Gonzaga doesn't fall apart in close games against tough teams because they believe that they can win and we have to develop that same mind state. Why not us? Gonzaga is not the only elite mid major. Attached is the mid major top 25 put together by real basketball insiders. http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:23 PM
When I attended Ohio, Ohio was number 8 in journalism. Even though, there were 10 Ivy League scools and schools like Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke and Rice, we stayed in the top 10 because we strove for excellence. We didn't make excuses, now there were definitely obstacles, but we overcame them. One day our sports programs will do the same thing. Gonzaga has made itself into a constant contender, we have the ability to do the same thing. There is a lot of parity in college basketball, we have to find a system, identify and successfully recruit talent and play in our system at a high level. Once we win a few tough games, we will have the confidence that we need to play and win on the big stage, we cannot be mired in mediocrity. As a six sigma greenbelt, we manage a lot of change, in the process we create short term wins, similar to the moral victories that are created here. They are only short term, we do not live off of the moral victories, we initate change to WIN. Let's believe that we can WIN.
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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:37 PM
Shades of NC vs OHIO.

OHIO up 4 with NC at the line for two. Makes the first, misses the second with ball batted out for the wide open 3 and there goes the lead. Damn lack of rebound on free throws---TWICE!
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Posted: 4/1/2017 11:42 PM
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When I attended Ohio, Ohio was number 8 in journalism. Even though, there were 10 Ivy League scools and schools like Vanderbilt, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke and Rice, we stayed in the top 10 because we strove for excellence. We didn't make excuses, now there were definitely obstacles, but we overcame them. One day our sports programs will do the same thing. Gonzaga has made itself into a constant contender, we have the ability to do the same thing. There is a lot of parity in college basketball, we have to find a system, identify and successfully recruit talent and play in our system at a high level. Once we win a few tough games, we will have the confidence that we need to play and win on the big stage, we cannot be mired in mediocrity. As a six sigma greenbelt, we manage a lot of change, in the process we create short term wins, similar to the moral victories that are created here. They are only short term, we do not live off of the moral victories, we initate change to WIN. Let's believe that we can WIN.
What's the Journalism school have at all to do with this??????

Per your other thoughts - look forward to seeing you ask the coach about those at one of the Caravans.....
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Posted: 4/2/2017 12:06 AM
It looks like Oregon has a good chance to be back next year. The only lose 1 senior that played tonight and they add a 5* wing and 2 other top 100 players. They also are in the running for a 5* big man.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 12:08 AM
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It looks like Oregon has a good chance to be back next year. The only lose 1 senior that played tonight and they add a 5* wing and 2 other top 100 players. They also are in the running for a 5* big man.
+1 Brooks may leave.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:42 AM
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I keep hearing Talking Heads correct folks who refer to Gonzaga as a mid major. Their conference is... but in the eyes of the guys who get paid to talk hoops none considers them a mid major
Agreed. When you're a #1 seed, consistently ranked in the top 15-20 for the last 10-12 years, beating major conference teams often, and recruiting players on par with all but the elite 20 or so programs in the money conferences every single year...you aren't a mid-major. Gonzaga hasn't been one for a minimum the last five years, likely longer.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 5:24 PM
They are ranked number 1 in the MID MAJOR top 25, they are in a a mid major conference. Two bobcatattackers cannot change that with their alternative facts. Gonzaga is a mid major period, we can do what Gonzaga did, we don't have to make ourselves into Self proclaimed basketball experts and oppose the NCAA and paid sports writers and coaches. Gonzaga could lose Few and he could take some recruits with him and Gonzaga would struggle. The moral victory sought here has been denied.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:10 PM
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They are a mid major like Butler used to be that runs a system and strives for exellence. We can be the same thing, we just have to believe.


I had no idea that all we had to do was believe and we'd be in the Final 4. BELIEVE. that's it. Boy do we look silly for not believing enough.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 8:29 PM
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They are a mid major like Butler used to be that runs a system and strives for exellence. We can be the same thing, we just have to believe.


I had no idea that all we had to do was believe and we'd be in the Final 4. BELIEVE. that's it. Boy do we look silly for not believing enough.
Perimeter post, I will never forget you. If there was a king or queen of mediocrity, you would be it. You said something that almost made me throw up in my mouth. A few years back, we were on the eve of playing Tulsa and you said that we would lose by 20 and it would be good for us, you quoted a former coach. All I could think was what in the George McFly! We ended up losing by a point or two but we were up the whole game. I couldn't believe that there were people that were that defeated. Mediocrity had its spokesman and that spokesman was you. I mentioned believing, which is a big part. So as a man thinketh, so is he. The other parts are building a great system and identifying and successfully recruiting talent. You omitted those for some reason, as if others can't read my post. God bless you my friend, rescue yourself from mediocrity.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 10:28 PM
Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 11:01 PM
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Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
yes that is the fruit of their labor, when we were ranked in the top 25 a lot of Cuyahoga county residents were wearing Ohio football shirts, one guy even lied to me and said he played safety for Ohio, lol. When you win more, endorsements pay more, the alumni donates more. It can happen, to Saul's credit he has a system, now he has to get the talent. He has his Nigel Williams-Goss in Jaaron and his Karnowski in Carter, can he get more athletes that can create their shot. We could have won every game we played, we lost because we only had one guy who could create his own shot (Jaaron). We were outcoached at the end of games and reluctant to go to a zone when opposing players got hot.
This is what excitement does.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:32 AM
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Two bobcatattackers cannot change that with their alternative facts.
I assume I am the other one as Country is the only other respondent that talked about this.

I said

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I keep hearing Talking Heads correct folks who refer to Gonzaga as a mid major.
I would have you direct your "mid major poll" response to those guys who climb out from behind an anonymous place go on TV/Radio with their years of basketball experience and discuss their opines and thoughts in public place from a non vitriolic, fact based discussion that requires thoughtful responses and the ability to listen and understand other viewpoints. Better get ready with facts and prepare to step from behind your anonymous visage as they are going to want to know your background and facts...something other than the CIT Insider poll.

Interesting to hear Mark Few assert that they have become a major player and are "no longer a mid major" answering a question and defending staying in their conference while he and Roy were talking in an interview last night. I guess he is full of "alternative facts" as well. Maybe an anonymous poster on Bobcatattack can send an anonymous letter to him at the Gonzaga athletic office and he will change his views and say "allen" showed him the light and allude to the CIT poll.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:35 AM
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Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
This^

Gonzaga ($7.2M) and Wichita State ($6.9M) are the only two non-power conference schools that have a basketball budget over $6M. The Zags have a bigger budget than their P5 neighbors Washington ($6.4M) and Washington State ($5.1M). There is nothing mid-major about their basketball program.
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Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of almost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
This^

Gonzaga ($7.2M) and Wichita State ($6.9M) are the only two non-power conference schools that have a basketball budget over $6M. The Zags have a bigger budget than their P5 neighbors Washington ($6.4M) and Washington State ($5.1M). There is nothing mid-major about their basketball program.

But, but, but, but....the Mid-major poll. It's the gospel when it comes to college hoops.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 9:57 AM
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Two bobcatattackers cannot change that with their alternative facts.
I assume I am the other one as Country is the only other respondent that talked about this.

I said

I keep hearing Talking Heads correct folks who refer to Gonzaga as a mid major.
I would have you direct your "mid major poll" response to those guys who climb out from behind an anonymous place go on TV/Radio with their years of basketball experience and discuss their opines and thoughts in public place from a non vitriolic, fact based discussion that requires thoughtful responses and the ability to listen and understand other viewpoints. Better get ready with facts and prepare to step from behind your anonymous visage as they are going to want to know your background and facts...something other than the CIT Insider poll.

Interesting to hear Mark Few assert that they have become a major player and are "no longer a mid major" answering a question and defending staying in their conference while he and Roy were talking in an interview last night. I guess he is full of "alternative facts" as well. Maybe an anonymous poster on Bobcatattack can send an anonymous letter to him at the Gonzaga athletic office and he will change his views and say "allen" showed him the light and allude to the CIT poll.

I wanted to appease the medi's, but we have to deal in truth. i am looking to make a great deal with the medi's in the future, but i don't want to eat lies. Yes Few does not like being called a mid major, but they are. If the lost him and he took some recruits with him, they would be Ohio with a more storied history. Here is a great article.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/mark-few... /
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/4/2/15155812/ncaa-tou...
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:04 AM
Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:16 AM
Medi? Is this your way of feeling cool, or smart, in abbreviating the word mediocre?
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:17 AM
Nice find

A headline that says Mid Major but nothing in there where Few says that ...oh BTW the byline " Jon Rothstein Oct 22, 2014 "

I have no idea what medi means so color me oblivious

I have not been one who has denied the ability of Mids to get to the FF. If you had been truly reading and comprehending rather than sitting back there trying to figure out ways to be condescending, argumentative and full of knowledge you would find in my posts allusions to VCU, Butler, In St and yes even Jax with the great Artis Gilmore.

Trying to beat me with experience aren't you?
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:17 AM
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Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
Yeah I'm sure the four guys they had on the team (3 players, 1 coach) that went onto the NBA had nothing to do with that. At that point it doesn't matter if you're a mid-major.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:19 AM
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Trying to beat me with experience aren't you?
As has been proven, it doesn't require a great deal of effort in his part.
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:29 AM
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Did you happen to read the article you posted??? You are losing legitimacy by the post

"And this year, it’s Gonzaga, a team even we’ve admitted isn’t a mid-major anymore."


The same source (SB Nation/Mid Major Madness) offers up the following quote

Gonzaga is a high-major program and it does not matter what conference the Bulldogs play in*.

*But we will still cover them because we still cover the West Coast Conference, sorry.

Better call SB Nation and leave an anonymous message citing the CIT poll. I am sure a site that has been the voice of mids will understand and yield to your opinion. Reading for comprehension is something they teach in that J school you referred to above....they did not get to 8th by not reading, comprehending and thoughtfully responding
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Posted: 4/3/2017 10:32 AM
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Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
Yeah I'm sure the four guys they had on the team (3 players, 1 coach) that went onto the NBA had nothing to do with that. At that point it doesn't matter if you're a mid-major.
One year, they had Gordon heyward and one year they did not. They did have a great coach. Shevlin Mack was there both years and yes he did make it to the NBA. Why can't we accept that it is possible? Why do we have to talk ourselves out of being great?
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