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Posted: 3/18/2017 1:13 AM
Watched the whole game. Flashes did not disgrace the MAC. In fact the scrappy style of play we're used to clearly caught the Bruins off guard for much of the game. Projecting forward our group if it continues to improve could compete with guys like this down the road. We need another inside presence and another slashing guard along with good shooting and we could make some noise someday..
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:49 AM
Kent crashing the boards kinda caught up with them when UCLA exploited them by pushing it back up the floor for transition hoops--some very exciting.

But that said, I like seeing the effort of the Flashes getting those rebounds and some effort hoops vs seeing one shot and fall back to avoid the fast break others in the MAC employ.

I do not know if the Flashes would have somehow gained the lead however brief it may have been if it would have changed the outcome much--BUT the call when the ref whistled the defender on Hall for a foul when Hall had sealed him off and ready for an easy stick back was a killer. Instead of the easy 2 that he made and +1, it was simply ball back to Kent--the score then would have been down to about 2. How the ref could call that a foul on the floor seemed like a call to save UCLA.

Walker appears to be an all purpose guy, shoots, drives, pulls up, crashes, looks like he puts effort on the defense end. If he continues on next season where he left off the final 8 this season, will he be the player of the year?
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:11 AM
berniebobcat wrote:expand_more
Watched the whole game. Flashes did not disgrace the MAC. In fact the scrappy style of play we're used to clearly caught the Bruins off guard for much of the game. Projecting forward our group if it continues to improve could compete with guys like this down the road. We need another inside presence and another slashing guard along with good shooting and we could make some noise someday..
To make noise we have to play in their concert hall, in other words, we need to schedule these schools.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:28 AM
The best way to play these schools is on a neutral court as part of a tourney/classic before non-conference play. I'm not sure what too many road games vs. big schools does other than get a loss and a big payday.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 11:15 AM
Kent did a good job except for the first 7 mins of the game. Good game to watch.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 12:17 PM
Every March while watching NCAA tourney games, this thought comes to mind: If during the regular season the Power conf schools played a half dozen non-Power schools on neutral courts, come March how powerful would they appear?

I'm not referring only to tourney games in which Round 1 lower seeds top higher seeds. I am also referring to close losses such as Princeton's 2-pt loss to ND.

Put otherwise, I tend to believe that the gap between Power and Non-Power teams isn't as cavernous as the power and schedule strength rankings suggest.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 1:52 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The best way to play these schools is on a neutral court as part of a tourney/classic before non-conference play. I'm not sure what too many road games vs. big schools does other than get a loss and a big payday.
Yes and no. If you don't get a good first game and then lose, you might not get to play them based on how the bracket plays out.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 2:27 PM
Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Every March while watching NCAA tourney games, this thought comes to mind: If during the regular season the Power conf schools played a half dozen non-Power schools on neutral courts, come March how powerful would they appear?

I'm not referring only to tourney games in which Round 1 lower seeds top higher seeds. I am also referring to close losses such as Princeton's 2-pt loss to ND.

Put otherwise, I tend to believe that the gap between Power and Non-Power teams isn't as cavernous as the power and schedule strength rankings suggest.
And to beat a dead horse (does not apply to the Ivy League) when you look at the FGCU's and ETSU's and see rosters dominated by transfers, that has everything to do with it. They end up with bunch of older and more experienced guys, some of whom have been through the d-1 and even P5 wars. And then they fill in even more with juco guys. Put it in the blender and pour out an instant veteran team. Kent had 7 transfers total between juco and 4 years schools.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 3:29 PM
greencat, I agree that it works for some teams that get in with several transfer players. But as you said, there's the Ivy League schools, and some others that are outstanding without an abundance of transfers. I've always thought that getting a transfer every other year might be the ideal scenario for Ohio.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 6:39 PM
I think we have done ok with a couple but have whiffed on more....

Just watched Wisky and Nova with none. Built not on 4 and 5 stars but on the backs of 4 year system guys. OTOH CHris has a couple to bring his talent level up to Big East standards. He finally graduated the last of the guys who were recruited to the Horizon. Still has some A10 blood in the system. Looking for Big East 4 year guys from here on out.

It is a good thing at this level to get 4 year guys if you are planning on staying.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 7:55 PM
Fire Senderoff.

Kent St came out scared and timid, no swagger, no eye of the tiger. Looked like their mom had just told them to go pick out a switch to get their spankings with. Clearly guys like Hall play with a lot of emotion, saw it in Cleveland every game. They should have came out barking, instead came out with a wimper. That's 100% on the coaches. Wasted opportunity.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 2:03 AM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
Fire Senderoff.

Kent St came out scared and timid, no swagger, no eye of the tiger. Looked like their mom had just told them to go pick out a switch to get their spankings with. Clearly guys like Hall play with a lot of emotion, saw it in Cleveland every game. They should have came out barking, instead came out with a wimper. That's 100% on the coaches. Wasted opportunity.
So - the issue is Coach - or Players? Looks like a contradiction in your post there (100%)......

Hall and Walker looked to be "barking" to me......
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Posted: 3/19/2017 3:30 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Fire Senderoff.

Kent St came out scared and timid, no swagger, no eye of the tiger. Looked like their mom had just told them to go pick out a switch to get their spankings with. Clearly guys like Hall play with a lot of emotion, saw it in Cleveland every game. They should have came out barking, instead came out with a wimper. That's 100% on the coaches. Wasted opportunity.
So - the issue is Coach - or Players? Looks like a contradiction in your post there (100%)......

Hall and Walker looked to be "barking" to me......
no contradiction. it was the coaches' job to get the players in the right frame of mind before the game. That didn't happen so the players had to get there on their own and that took time.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 10:52 AM
As long as Sendy is on the opposite bench .....we got a chance to win....
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Posted: 3/19/2017 11:38 AM
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greencat, I agree that it works for some teams that get in with several transfer players. But as you said, there's the Ivy League schools, and some others that are outstanding without an abundance of transfers. I've always thought that getting a transfer every other year might be the ideal scenario for Ohio.
We had two good ones this year - one a senior and one a junior.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 12:02 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
greencat, I agree that it works for some teams that get in with several transfer players. But as you said, there's the Ivy League schools, and some others that are outstanding without an abundance of transfers. I've always thought that getting a transfer every other year might be the ideal scenario for Ohio.
We had two good ones this year - one a senior and one a junior.
Does Ohio have at least one schollie open right now? The coaching merry go round is turning in fast motion around the nation and that frees up lots of good prospects from their original commitment.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 7:09 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
Fire Senderoff.

Kent St came out scared and timid, no swagger, no eye of the tiger. Looked like their mom had just told them to go pick out a switch to get their spankings with. Clearly guys like Hall play with a lot of emotion, saw it in Cleveland every game. They should have came out barking, instead came out with a wimper. That's 100% on the coaches. Wasted opportunity.
I can only assume this is a joke. Teams have cold snaps through the course of the game. One happened for Kent at the very start. Not even the slightest indication that was poor coaching especially in a game where they were over matched.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 7:14 PM
Kent was picked to finish 4th in the MAC East in the league's pre-season poll. I think that if the league's coach of the year was selected after the MAC tourney, which Kent won, Senderoff would likely get more than a few votes.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 8:39 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Fire Senderoff.

Kent St came out scared and timid, no swagger, no eye of the tiger. Looked like their mom had just told them to go pick out a switch to get their spankings with. Clearly guys like Hall play with a lot of emotion, saw it in Cleveland every game. They should have came out barking, instead came out with a wimper. That's 100% on the coaches. Wasted opportunity.
I can only assume this is a joke. Teams have cold snaps through the course of the game. One happened for Kent at the very start. Not even the slightest indication that was poor coaching especially in a game where they were over matched.
obviously firing a coach would be an over reaction but my point is I thought he had his team ill prepared and it cost them.
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