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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:28 AM
Not gonna lose too many games when you shoot 48% from 3… (unless the other team shoots 50%)

Let’s just move on.

The MAC is awful, but I didn’t see 2-9 happening.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:32 AM
Apparently, the team did not get back to Athens until 5 AM or around there. This trip and game certainly lived up to everything that was discussed leading up to it.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:34 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:44 AM
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Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
Yes. Pretty obvious.
Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:44 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
+1. It’s two-fold. I remember being impressed by ASU’s portal class with all the size it added between Hicks, Hardnett, Dominguez, and Laku, but it’s still 11-14 overall. That said, I would gladly welcome a portal haul of no player smaller than 6’6 at this point and maybe ASU fairs better in the MAC.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 9:50 AM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
+1. It’s two-fold. I remember being impressed by ASU’s portal class with all the size it added between Hicks, Hardnett, Dominguez, and Laku, but it’s still 11-14 overall. That said, I would gladly welcome a portal haul of no player smaller than 6’6 at this point and maybe ASU fairs better in the MAC.
The 11-14 part is baffling. I don’t get that all. Agree on 6’6 portal haul. I still think we are going to need a portal starting point guard though as well next year right? And I’m saying that even if Reef does have another year. He’s not a point guard.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 10:15 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Don't you think their athleticism and length led to better shots?

They shot very well; but that's not just some flip of the coin thing that we had no control over. They got good look after good look because we couldn't stay in front of them, and even when we closed out we were giving up several inches at every position.

I'm very surprised by the talent disparity between the MAC and Sunbelt. 10 years ago this would have been hard to believe. That league seems to have leapfrogged us.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 10:47 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Don't you think their athleticism and length led to better shots?

They shot very well; but that's not just some flip of the coin thing that we had no control over. They got good look after good look because we couldn't stay in front of them, and even when we closed out we were giving up several inches at every position.

I'm very surprised by the talent disparity between the MAC and Sunbelt. 10 years ago this would have been hard to believe. That league seems to have leapfrogged us.
I think you have to factor how much the Sun Belt has changed with the realignment over the last decade in comparison to MAC. The Sun Belt lost schools like North Texas, FAU and added App State, James Madison, and Old Dominion, for example.

It’s been 17 years, but everyone remembers App State beating Michigan. That gives the Sun Belt some mainstream identity when you factor how much App State has continued to progress in college athletics since. Outside of being a fan of the MAC, I’m not sure any casual fan can attach a specific school as the cream of the crop.

From a basketball perspective, I’m wondering if geography is playing a role. Some of these kids may experience a harsh winter and decide they want to head south via portal.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 10:55 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
+1. It’s two-fold. I remember being impressed by ASU’s portal class with all the size it added between Hicks, Hardnett, Dominguez, and Laku, but it’s still 11-14 overall. That said, I would gladly welcome a portal haul of no player smaller than 6’6 at this point and maybe ASU fairs better in the MAC.
The 11-14 part is baffling. I don’t get that all. Agree on 6’6 portal haul. I still think we are going to need a portal starting point guard though as well next year right? And I’m saying that even if Reef does have another year. He’s not a point guard.
I think we need a PG for sure. My concern with Reef returning is it could hinder our ability to land a true PG. Have to assume if everyone comes back penciled in starters are Reef, EJ4, AJB, Hadaway, and Clayton. Can’t afford another season of starting two 6’1 guys.

Might be unpopular, but I low key would be cool if Reef just used us for the year and dipped since I’m not confident Boals wouldn’t start him. That to me would just lead to more of the same stagnant type of offense we’re seeing. That would put the PG need at two but I’d almost prefer to unknown at this point than the current.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 12:43 PM
Length and athleticism. I have been saying that all year. We have very little length and very little athleticism. We rely on just scoring a ton of points. Today showed that a ton of points won’t win when the other kids scores a ton of points +20.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 2:04 PM
We severely lack length and athleticism. AJ Brown would have helped some but we needed more. It's why I clamored all off-season for a 3 and D wing. They don't grow on trees.

This weekend just proved what we already knew. The MAC has been lapped by numerous other mid major conferences and it honestly isn't very close. We're much closer to the SWAC than we are the P5/6.

Just look at the guys getting off the bus and it's instantly apparent.

The league doesn't recruit anywhere close to the levels of the 90s the last time we really were considered a top tier midmajor conference that flirted with being a top 10 league (usually no lower than 12) and had any realistic shot of an at-large birth.

Conference realignment and NIL have hurt, but so has D1 expansion. Adding 50ish teams and 3 conferences takes away at larger births and dilutes the D1 talent available.

If you aren't moving forward you're falling behind. The MAC has stood still for 30 years. This is what you get.
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Posted: 2/11/2024 3:06 PM
Folks if OHIO plays offense the way it did against A-State, only Toledo should be favored to best the Bobcats in the remainder of the MAC slate. Zips are finding it difficult for more than their big two to add much offensively of late. Going into this game A-State was top 10 at guarding the three and the Bobcats destroyed their defense from behind the arc.

Take 20 percent of your top defense off the floor and replace with someone less than 100% health wise and you get a hot team scoring 100. The Bobcats will be MAC fine if they continue making a high percentage of the open shots they are taking. I know you could probably say that about any team but those teams haven't shown consistent ability to knock down shots as the Bobcats have now that Hunter has started firing on all cylinders. Sheldon, Clayton, Cornish and Hunter hitting 3's at a pretty high percentage lately while Hadaway, is improving his two point threat and getting some stick backs. Perhaps as Hunter goes, so goes the Bobcats, really not unlike Sincere Carey and Kent last year with him opening things up for his teammates.

On to Toledo to see how much each team has developed since the match in Athens.
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Posted: 2/12/2024 9:02 AM
Look, I am not happy with the defense and rebounding of this game either. But damn, Arkansas State impressed me. They certainly looked better than a middle of the road Sun Belt team. Really good use of screens and ball movement and of course knocking down shots at a ridiculously high rate. But yes our defense needs to be better. We got a step behind on so many screens. Agree that Hadaway had a particularly bad game defensively.

A lot to like otherwise, we kept up our strong shooting. Sheldon continues to solidify himself as an elite perimeter shooter...opponents can't give him an inch and that will help stretch the defense. Elmore the quietest 33 minutes I may have ever seen. He is typically an aggressive player, can't believe he only attempted 1 shot. Jaylin still rolling, another good game.

And Oh looky there...Clayton was 4 for 4 from 2 and 2 for 2 at the line. He backed them down in the paint multiple times. I won't stop talking about this until his 2 point attempts catch up to his 3 point attempts (1 for 7 Saturday). As Jaylin & Miles shoot better and Sheldon emerges more and more, the need for Clayton to be in the paint is only strengthened.

You can bet Boals will make defense and defending screens a point of emphasis during the long week of practice. We obviously need to be better on defense to hang with Toledo.
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Posted: 2/12/2024 10:23 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Well, this is another instance of not being able to put enough scholarship players on the floor. Five scholarships were not dressed for this game. I get that it's a really tough job for coaches in the current landscape with all the freedom and reasons for roster movement, but the staff needs to do more to make sure they are going into each season with a full deck. When you leave a scholarship unfilled, redshirt a freshman, and carry a guy in street clothes, it's a whole lot harder to withstand a season-ending injury, a single-game injury, and a less than 100% starter.

It's hard to be a fan when the team is in this situation. It's like the last two years under Saul. It felt like we were going into every game completely crippled. I find it a little unfair to criticize the game effort when I think the real criticism lives in the roster management.
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Posted: 2/12/2024 11:43 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Well, this is another instance of not being able to put enough scholarship players on the floor. Five scholarships were not dressed for this game. I get that it's a really tough job for coaches in the current landscape with all the freedom and reasons for roster movement, but the staff needs to do more to make sure they are going into each season with a full deck. When you leave a scholarship unfilled, redshirt a freshman, and carry a guy in street clothes, it's a whole lot harder to withstand a season-ending injury, a single-game injury, and a less than 100% starter.

It's hard to be a fan when the team is in this situation. It's like the last two years under Saul. It felt like we were going into every game completely crippled. I find it a little unfair to criticize the game effort when I think the real criticism lives in the roster management.
+1
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Posted: 2/12/2024 1:14 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Well, this is another instance of not being able to put enough scholarship players on the floor. Five scholarships were not dressed for this game. I get that it's a really tough job for coaches in the current landscape with all the freedom and reasons for roster movement, but the staff needs to do more to make sure they are going into each season with a full deck. When you leave a scholarship unfilled, redshirt a freshman, and carry a guy in street clothes, it's a whole lot harder to withstand a season-ending injury, a single-game injury, and a less than 100% starter.

It's hard to be a fan when the team is in this situation. It's like the last two years under Saul. It felt like we were going into every game completely crippled. I find it a little unfair to criticize the game effort when I think the real criticism lives in the roster management.
Agree on the lack of scholarship players not eligible to play in this one which made it more difficult:

AJ Brown
Shareef Mitchell
Bahamas Ezuma
Ben Nicol

Who is the 5th player on scholarship who was not dressed for Ark State game? Is it the DW3 scholly that went to Evans perhaps?
#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT #NoMissesAllowed #NoOtherTeamInAmericaFlexesLikeOhio #11Months
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Posted: 2/12/2024 2:14 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Well, this is another instance of not being able to put enough scholarship players on the floor. Five scholarships were not dressed for this game. I get that it's a really tough job for coaches in the current landscape with all the freedom and reasons for roster movement, but the staff needs to do more to make sure they are going into each season with a full deck. When you leave a scholarship unfilled, redshirt a freshman, and carry a guy in street clothes, it's a whole lot harder to withstand a season-ending injury, a single-game injury, and a less than 100% starter.

It's hard to be a fan when the team is in this situation. It's like the last two years under Saul. It felt like we were going into every game completely crippled. I find it a little unfair to criticize the game effort when I think the real criticism lives in the roster management.
Agree on the lack of scholarship players not eligible to play in this one which made it more difficult:

Ajay Brown
Shareef Mitchell
Bahamas Ezuma
Ben Nicol

Who is the 5th player on scholarship who was not dressed for Ark State game? Is it the DW3 scholly that went to Evans perhaps?
We have had 12 scholarship players on the roster all season. We are allowed 13. We simply struck out on filling the last spot.

Miles Brown and Jaylin Hunter were in their final year to begin with. Evans and Burris are incoming.
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Posted: 2/12/2024 2:18 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Anybody else feel like there was a huge discrepancy between us and ASU in terms of athleticism and length?
I get what you’re saying, but when the other team doesn’t miss what can you do? Certainly a combination of athleticism and poor defense. Reef out was a killer. Elmore had no business getting 33 minutes.

Onward and forward.
Well, this is another instance of not being able to put enough scholarship players on the floor. Five scholarships were not dressed for this game. I get that it's a really tough job for coaches in the current landscape with all the freedom and reasons for roster movement, but the staff needs to do more to make sure they are going into each season with a full deck. When you leave a scholarship unfilled, redshirt a freshman, and carry a guy in street clothes, it's a whole lot harder to withstand a season-ending injury, a single-game injury, and a less than 100% starter.

It's hard to be a fan when the team is in this situation. It's like the last two years under Saul. It felt like we were going into every game completely crippled. I find it a little unfair to criticize the game effort when I think the real criticism lives in the roster management.
Agree on the lack of scholarship players not eligible to play in this one which made it more difficult:

AJ Brown
Shareef Mitchell
Bahamas Ezuma
Ben Nicol

Who is the 5th player on scholarship who was not dressed for Ark State game? Is it the DW3 scholly that went to Evans perhaps?
We have had 12 scholarship players on the roster all season. We are allowed 13. We simply struck out on filling the last spot.

Miles Brown and Jaylin Hunter were in their final year to begin with. Evans and Burris are incoming.
Got it.

Makes sense.
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