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Posted: 12/4/2022 10:19 AM
You look at the remaining schedule, it’s not looking good at all. The first five conference games is a brutal stretch. Is Boals willing to make any changes with line-up and rotation minutes? This can get ugly real quick.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 11:09 AM
Entirely possible. Lotta pieces, no whole.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 12:13 PM
Definitely possible. Lots of things are still possible at this point though. I've wavered somewhere between 10 and 18 wins all year. So 14-16 seems like a nice median. The reality is, with our record, it really doesn't matter.

Three days in March baby. Keep getting guys healthy, getting them minutes, finding rotations/confidence, tinkering to find upgrades here and there.

Like SBH said lots of pieces. Need to keep iterating to find the whole. Prep for Cleveland.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 12:45 PM
Tough to say. We haven’t exactly met the eye test for most of the year, but are we an AJB away from beating Belmont and holding onto the lead against Michigan? If that’s the case, we might be singing a more optimistic tune at 6-2. Have to wonder about his impact in those games had he been healthy.

That said, I do think Boals needs to end the experimenting and play the guys the most who are going to put us in the best position to win; while scaling back the constant subbing in chunks of 3-4 guys at a time. That just isn’t helping at all.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 2:21 PM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
That said, I do think Boals needs to end the experimenting and play the guys the most who are going to put us in the best position to win; while scaling back the constant subbing in chunks of 3-4 guys at a time. That just isn’t helping at all.
Why? Worst case it costs us a couple wins in the process. What's the difference between 18 wins and 16 wins in the grand scheme of things? Best case it maximizes opportunities to put guys in different positions and experiences to try and find that optimal combination and rotation. If we can find that by March, all is good.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 3:01 PM
I like the way the Coaching staff is getting a look at different people and different matchups before MAC action. Let's be real, our only chance at reaching the NCAA tournament is winning the MAC tournament at the end of the season. Therefore, I am not concerned about our record during the season itself. Giving Michigan a run for their money and pushing them into Overtime was quite fun in and of itself.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 3:10 PM
Non conference schedule with Younstown St, Stetson, Delaware and Chicago St sounds like 3 more wins to me. That gives the Bobcats 8 wins and then MAC plays 20 game schedule now. They can do better than 5-15 in the MAC.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 4:27 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
That said, I do think Boals needs to end the experimenting and play the guys the most who are going to put us in the best position to win; while scaling back the constant subbing in chunks of 3-4 guys at a time. That just isn’t helping at all.
Why? Worst case it costs us a couple wins in the process. What's the difference between 18 wins and 16 wins in the grand scheme of things? Best case it maximizes opportunities to put guys in different positions and experiences to try and find that optimal combination and rotation. If we can find that by March, all is good.
I think you answered your own question with it costing us a few games. For a team struggling to get into a groove offensively, the swapping out in chunks has been counter productive to date. No problem with getting guys experience, but this strategy hasn’t yielded results. Could change, but just my thoughts.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 7:38 PM
Sure, but I think you missed my second sentence which was "What's the difference between 16 wins and 18 wins in the grand scheme of things anyway?"

Answer. Nothing. So what if it costs us a couple games now, if it yields results in March.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 9:01 PM
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Non conference schedule with Younstown St, Stetson, Delaware and Chicago St sounds like 3 more wins to me. That gives the Bobcats 8 wins and then MAC plays 20 game schedule now. They can do better than 5-15 in the MAC.
Chi State is the only layup in that bunch.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 11:08 PM
Some of the people on this board need to calm down (Not this thread but in general). This is rebuilding year for the program. That's what happens when you lose talent like Mark Sears, BVP and Jason Carter.

They're going through their share of struggles but it's all about developing the youngsters. Sure, Baker has been a disappointment and I was hoping for more out of Hunter but it is what it is.

All that matters is MAC play. AJ Brown has shown flashes and I think Hadaway has a chance to be really good. I watch a lot of St. Bonaventure and their coach Mark Schmidt always emphasizes playing your best basketball in February. I could care less about their non-conference record this season as long as they continue building.

This team will hover around .500 for most of the season. If the young core continues to develop, they will be in a position to be very successful in the near future... as long as Boal and the talented freshmen remain in Athens.
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Posted: 12/4/2022 11:11 PM
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Some of the people on this board need to calm down. This is rebuilding year for the program. That's what happens when you lose talent like Mark Sears, BVP and Jason Carter.

They're going through their share of struggles but it's all about developing the youngsters. Sure, Baker has been a disappointment and I was hoping for more out of Hunter but it is what it is.

All that matters is MAC play. AJ Brown has shown flashes and I think Hadaway has a chance to be really good. I watch a lot of St. Bonaventure and their coach Mark Schmidt always emphasizes playing your best basketball in February. I could care less about their non-conference record this season as long as they continue building.

This team will hover around .500 for most of the season. If the young core continues to develop, they will be in a position to be very successful in the near future... as long as Boal and the talented freshmen remain in Athens.
Additionally, Ohio is presently 195 in KenPom with a projected record of 16-15 (10-8) and were picked to finish 5th in the MAC.

Let's be realistic about the expectations this year. It's not going to be a crazy successful season but it's not going to be horrible either.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 12:01 AM
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Some of the people on this board need to calm down. This is rebuilding year for the program. That's what happens when you lose talent like Mark Sears, BVP and Jason Carter.

They're going through their share of struggles but it's all about developing the youngsters. Sure, Baker has been a disappointment and I was hoping for more out of Hunter but it is what it is.

All that matters is MAC play. AJ Brown has shown flashes and I think Hadaway has a chance to be really good. I watch a lot of St. Bonaventure and their coach Mark Schmidt always emphasizes playing your best basketball in February. I could care less about their non-conference record this season as long as they continue building.

This team will hover around .500 for most of the season. If the young core continues to develop, they will be in a position to be very successful in the near future... as long as Boal and the talented freshmen remain in Athens.
Additionally, Ohio is presently 195 in KenPom with a projected record of 16-15 (10-8) and were picked to finish 5th in the MAC.

Let's be realistic about the expectations this year. It's not going to be a crazy successful season but it's not going to be horrible either.
All of this.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 8:37 AM
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Sure, but I think you missed my second sentence which was "What's the difference between 16 wins and 18 wins in the grand scheme of things anyway?"

Answer. Nothing. So what if it costs us a couple games now, if it yields results in March.
Based on what you’ve seen, how confident are you that the current strategy is going to yield results in March? It’s not the losing, it’s how we’re losing.
Last Edited: 12/5/2022 8:39:23 AM by FJC31
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Posted: 12/5/2022 8:59 AM
The sky isn't falling. Yet. But it's developing cracks.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 9:21 AM
It's a rebuild year. Lost a lot these past two seasons.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 9:22 AM
I hate to mix sports, but maybe we are setting this up to do "a Toledo" on the whole MAC.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 10:36 AM
I fear that every year moving forward is going to be a rebuilding year with the portal/NIL now fully in play. Gone are the days where we have an all-conference type of player stay for 4 years.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 11:39 AM
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I fear that every year moving forward is going to be a rebuilding year with the portal/NIL now fully in play.
This is my thinking . . . isn't Belmont going through this new landscape also? Detroit-Mercy? Marshall?
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Posted: 12/5/2022 12:53 PM
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I fear that every year moving forward is going to be a rebuilding year with the portal/NIL now fully in play.
This is my thinking . . . isn't Belmont going through this new landscape also? Detroit-Mercy? Marshall?
Absolutely, Detroit had a unique situation where Antoine Davis stayed put after entering the portal. His dad is the head coach though LOL.

This is why I have made comments on other threads criticizing Boals for taking projects in the transfer portal. Can't miss on portal kids. They have to come in ready day 1 to contribute.
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Posted: 12/5/2022 1:41 PM
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Non conference schedule with Younstown St, Stetson, Delaware and Chicago St sounds like 3 more wins to me. That gives the Bobcats 8 wins and then MAC plays 20 game schedule now. They can do better than 5-15 in the MAC.
I'll go with 19-12 (11-7)
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Posted: 12/6/2022 1:35 AM
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Sure, but I think you missed my second sentence which was "What's the difference between 16 wins and 18 wins in the grand scheme of things anyway?"

Answer. Nothing. So what if it costs us a couple games now, if it yields results in March.
Based on what you’ve seen, how confident are you that the current strategy is going to yield results in March? It’s not the losing, it’s how we’re losing.
Depends how quickly or if the extra minutes and data eventually lead to more optimal lineups and solutions. I think this question is still TBD. The other question is, will a more optimal rotation actually yield better results? i.e. Do we even have enough talent at the right positions to matter come March or are we just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic? I'm not sure on that yet either with respect to this year. I will say I think the future outlook is bright for the freshman class.

I'm willing to let Boals and the staff give it a try though. They've earned my trust and support. My "confidence" is in the staff. What our record will be? Who knows. Like I said I've been wavering between about 10 to 18 wins all along.

The ultimate test, just like every year, will be in Cleveland.
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Posted: 12/9/2022 12:36 AM
Rest of MAC is in same boat. MAC schedule is where we see what this team is. This is preseason and Boals trying to see what he has.
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Posted: 12/9/2022 6:44 AM
There are several yearly thoughts on this board I have disagreements with. The "Boals/TOS/Groce is going to go with a 10-man rotation this season" we see every summer/early fall. Or the "we're the team no one wants to face in the tournament" that comes up every February.

The one I have the most problems with, however, is the one we read every Nov/Dec about "the only the games that matter are in the MAC conference and/or the ones played in Cleveland". My train of thought is more from the conference perspective, but Ohio benefits when the MAC raises its profile among other DI conferences and perhaps one day gets back to at-large bids and NCAA tourney wins. For the MAC to do this it has to start winning more games out-of-conference. The last I looked, MAC teams are .500 in games played within the conference and I'll go out on a limb and predict that MAC teams will go .500 against each other this winter (and next). It's games played in Nov and Dec that prove how good the conference is overall.

Just one fan's opinion/perspective.
Last Edited: 12/9/2022 7:08:20 AM by bobcatsquared
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Posted: 12/9/2022 7:41 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
There are several yearly thoughts on this board I have disagreements with. The "Boals/TOS/Groce is going to go with a 10-man rotation this season" we see every summer/early fall. Or the "we're the team no one wants to face in the tournament" that comes up every February.

The one I have the most problems with, however, is the one we read every Nov/Dec about "the only the games that matter are in the MAC conference and/or the ones played in Cleveland". My train of thought is more from the conference perspective, but Ohio benefits when the MAC raises its profile among other DI conferences and perhaps one day gets back to at-large bids and NCAA tourney wins. For the MAC to do this it has to start winning more games out-of-conference. The last I looked, MAC teams are .500 in games played within the conference and I'll go out on a limb and predict that MAC teams will go .500 against each other this winter (and next). It's games played in Nov and Dec that prove how good the conference is overall.

Just one fan's opinion/perspective.
+1. In that same vein is the way too common use of the term “preseason” for “pre conference”. Then again, if that’s the opinion, maybe it’s intentional.
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