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Posted: 7/3/2025 10:06 AM
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90% of that arena should be GA. If you want to pay for front rows and special side sections, great. But for most games it's just a smattering of people spread out - allow everyone to move down as close as they can get to fill the cavernous convo. I know everyone is protective of their friends and family seats, but the truth of the matter is most of that section behind the benches is left empty throughout much of the season. It's a bad look on TV. (Flip the sides, folks)

I remember the first time I took my wife to a game and she goes "Is Buffalo good? It never looks like this on TV." We have double the attendance than most teams on any given night and the atmosphere is non-existent. It's because we have 6K people spread out everywhere. 3K at Akron looks like Duke is in town.

There must be some system capability out there that can announce your seats the day of a game so every row fills out the lower bowl. If there isn't - I'm gonna go develop it right now.
If it was GA it would still be scattered. People love to spread out if given the opportunity.
That's more of where my coming-soon, yet-to-be-named, seating remaster system will come in handy. Purchase GA, but you will have an assigned seat by game day.

Or they could rope off the uppers and just force everyone into the lower bowl.
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Posted: 7/5/2025 6:46 PM
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90% of that arena should be GA. If you want to pay for front rows and special side sections, great. But for most games it's just a smattering of people spread out - allow everyone to move down as close as they can get to fill the cavernous convo. I know everyone is protective of their friends and family seats, but the truth of the matter is most of that section behind the benches is left empty throughout much of the season. It's a bad look on TV. (Flip the sides, folks)

I remember the first time I took my wife to a game and she goes "Is Buffalo good? It never looks like this on TV." We have double the attendance than most teams on any given night and the atmosphere is non-existent. It's because we have 6K people spread out everywhere. 3K at Akron looks like Duke is in town.

There must be some system capability out there that can announce your seats the day of a game so every row fills out the lower bowl. If there isn't - I'm gonna go develop it right now.
If it was GA it would still be scattered. People love to spread out if given the opportunity.
That's more of where my coming-soon, yet-to-be-named, seating remaster system will come in handy. Purchase GA, but you will have an assigned seat by game day.

Or they could rope off the uppers and just force everyone into the lower bowl.
You know, that place is waaaaayyyy larger than any MAC team needs with the exception of the urban MAC teams that may have an arena that also draws touring entertainment (Toledo, I'm looking at you). When the Convo was built, it was thought to be part of a burdgeoning concert industry. Afterall, there is nothing else between Columbus and Huntington/Charleston. To their credit, they booked Zeppelin, The Who, CSNY, Springsteen, Billy Joel, Boston, The Eagles, The Beach Boys, etc but it hasn't been a regular touring stop for over 40 years. Other than commencement is that place ever full? My point? They could get creative and knockout a bunch of seats. I'm thinking like Loudville in Cleveland or maybe some luxury suites.
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Posted: 7/6/2025 7:40 AM
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[QUOTE=Andrew Ruck] [QUOTE=M.D.W.S.T]
90% of that arena should be GA. If you want to pay for front rows and special side sections, great. But for most games it's just a smattering of people spread out - allow everyone to move down as close as they can get to fill the cavernous convo. I know everyone is protective of their friends and family seats, but the truth of the matter is most of that section behind the benches is left empty throughout much of the season. It's a bad look on TV. (Flip the sides, folks)

I remember the first time I took my wife to a game and she goes "Is Buffalo good? It never looks like this on TV." We have double the attendance than most teams on any given night and the atmosphere is non-existent. It's because we have 6K people spread out everywhere. 3K at Akron looks like Duke is in town.

There must be some system capability out there that can announce your seats the day of a game so every row fills out the lower bowl. If there isn't - I'm gonna go develop it right now.
If it was GA it would still be scattered. People love to spread out if given the opportunity.
They need to book somebody with a "willing to travel" fan base like Phish. Look at the crowds they get at Buckeye Lake for the jam band fests.
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Posted: 7/6/2025 10:55 AM
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90% of that arena should be GA. If you want to pay for front rows and special side sections, great. But for most games it's just a smattering of people spread out - allow everyone to move down as close as they can get to fill the cavernous convo. I know everyone is protective of their friends and family seats, but the truth of the matter is most of that section behind the benches is left empty throughout much of the season. It's a bad look on TV. (Flip the sides, folks)

I remember the first time I took my wife to a game and she goes "Is Buffalo good? It never looks like this on TV." We have double the attendance than most teams on any given night and the atmosphere is non-existent. It's because we have 6K people spread out everywhere. 3K at Akron looks like Duke is in town.

There must be some system capability out there that can announce your seats the day of a game so every row fills out the lower bowl. If there isn't - I'm gonna go develop it right now.
If it was GA it would still be scattered. People love to spread out if given the opportunity.

They need to book somebody with a "willing to travel" fan base like Phish. Look at the crowds they get at Buckeye Lake for the jam band fests.

The whole industry has changed. I don't believe the Convo has had a national act since the 90s. If your venue isn't run by Live Nation or AEG, forget it.
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Posted: 7/6/2025 12:09 PM
You know how My Morning Jacket sold out Mem Aud not too long ago?

They could do something like that in the Convo on a bigger basis and make $$$$.

An opportunity is being missed. If Coachella can sell 250,000 tickets without Live Nation involved....
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Posted: 7/6/2025 12:19 PM
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You know how My Morning Jacket sold out Mem Aud not too long ago?

They could do something like that in the Convo on a bigger basis and make $$$$.

An opportunity is being missed. If Coachella can sell 250,000 tickets without Live Nation involved....
Not to be contrary, but Coachella is promoted by AEG. OU would have to partner up with someone to convince any act that that Columbus or Pittsburgh or Huntington/Charleston is worth skipping on a tour for the Convocation Center. I don't disagree with you at all, but I'm saying the particulars aren't as easy as just having an intern calling Pearl Jam or Foo Fighters and inviting them down. :)
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Posted: 7/6/2025 5:48 PM
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You know how My Morning Jacket sold out Mem Aud not too long ago?

They could do something like that in the Convo on a bigger basis and make $$$$.

An opportunity is being missed. If Coachella can sell 250,000 tickets without Live Nation involved....
Not to be contrary, but Coachella is promoted by AEG. OU would have to partner up with someone to convince any act that that Columbus or Pittsburgh or Huntington/Charleston is worth skipping on a tour for the Convocation Center. I don't disagree with you at all, but I'm saying the particulars aren't as easy as just having an intern calling Pearl Jam or Foo Fighters and inviting them down. :)
Obviously draws like that are not an option. Second tier attractions such as jam bands not named Phish or Dead & Company have to be packaged in a way that 8,000+ show up. Lettuce at Rose Music Center in August (Dayton) has sold basically almost no tickets. If they were packaged up with let's say Umphrey's McGee and maybe one other similar "Phish/Widespread Panic" -ish group, then it's something people are willing to get in the car and drive to.
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Posted: 7/6/2025 7:11 PM
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You know how My Morning Jacket sold out Mem Aud not too long ago?

They could do something like that in the Convo on a bigger basis and make $$$$.

An opportunity is being missed. If Coachella can sell 250,000 tickets without Live Nation involved....
Not to be contrary, but Coachella is promoted by AEG. OU would have to partner up with someone to convince any act that that Columbus or Pittsburgh or Huntington/Charleston is worth skipping on a tour for the Convocation Center. I don't disagree with you at all, but I'm saying the particulars aren't as easy as just having an intern calling Pearl Jam or Foo Fighters and inviting them down. :)
Obviously draws like that are not an option. Second tier attractions such as jam bands not named Phish or Dead & Company have to be packaged in a way that 8,000+ show up. Lettuce at Rose Music Center in August (Dayton) has sold basically almost no tickets. If they were packaged up with let's say Umphrey's McGee and maybe one other similar "Phish/Widespread Panic" -ish group, then it's something people are willing to get in the car and drive to.
That MEMI group that books shows in Dayton would be the people to emulate. Would be a worthy undertaking IMHO.
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Posted: 7/6/2025 7:54 PM
I hate to break the news to you greencat, Phish and Dead and Co. are not second tier acts they would easily sell out the Convo .
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Posted: 7/6/2025 9:39 PM
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I hate to break the news to you greencat, Phish and Dead and Co. are not second tier acts they would easily sell out the Convo .
That's why I said "not" meaning that they are NOT the example of a 2nd tier act.

I've seen the Convo full for a concert before. When Styx was touring in support of their triple-platinum "Pieces of Eight" album around 1979 they packed the place. That Belkin guy from Cleveland was the promoter.

Having a building that size could be a real money maker. If....
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Posted: 7/6/2025 9:48 PM
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That MEMI group that books shows in Dayton would be the people to emulate. Would be a worthy undertaking IMHO.
They pulled off a good coup this summer. Three has-been's on one bill has pretty much almost sold out Rose Music Center. BTO/Marshall Tucker/Starship on July 26th. Not a "low dough" show either. Tickets are from $79 to $258.

The power of packaging.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 8:25 AM
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I hate to break the news to you greencat, Phish and Dead and Co. are not second tier acts they would easily sell out the Convo .
That's why I said "not" meaning that they are NOT the example of a 2nd tier act.

I've seen the Convo full for a concert before. When Styx was touring in support of their triple-platinum "Pieces of Eight" album around 1979 they packed the place. That Belkin guy from Cleveland was the promoter.

Having a building that size could be a real money maker. If....
The Belkin brothers set a template for the rest of the nation to follow. Hell, Michael Stanley still holds an outdoor attendance record that I don't really think can be broken. Unreal for a regional act to do that. Only the Belkins could pull that off. Belkin is now, for all intents and purposes, Promowest.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 10:12 AM
BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 10:31 AM
This might be a dumb question, but at this point why haven't they moved commencement ceremonies over to Peden? Plenty of other schools use their football stadiums for this.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 11:20 AM
Why would we expose ourselves to weather related issues when we have a fine indoor facility that can accommodate the crowd?
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Posted: 7/7/2025 11:44 AM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."
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Posted: 7/7/2025 12:56 PM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."

We're getting way off topic here, but yeah, a lot of these bands are a joke now. Foreigner has ZERO original members on stage. Skynyrd, same. But with bands like Foreigner and Foghat, they were pretty faceless anyway. No one in that audience knows any different. The two versions thing really started about 25-30 years ago when Styx fired Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung said "you can't fire me, I founded the band." They went up through the court system and it was ruled that they were both right, so we have "Styx" and "Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx." That paved the way for two LA Guns, two GFRs, two Ratts, two Judas Priests, two Queensryche, etc.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 1:16 PM
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90% of that arena should be GA. If you want to pay for front rows and special side sections, great. But for most games it's just a smattering of people spread out - allow everyone to move down as close as they can get to fill the cavernous convo. I know everyone is protective of their friends and family seats, but the truth of the matter is most of that section behind the benches is left empty throughout much of the season. It's a bad look on TV. (Flip the sides, folks)

I remember the first time I took my wife to a game and she goes "Is Buffalo good? It never looks like this on TV." We have double the attendance than most teams on any given night and the atmosphere is non-existent. It's because we have 6K people spread out everywhere. 3K at Akron looks like Duke is in town.

There must be some system capability out there that can announce your seats the day of a game so every row fills out the lower bowl. If there isn't - I'm gonna go develop it right now.
If it was GA it would still be scattered. People love to spread out if given the opportunity.
That's more of where my coming-soon, yet-to-be-named, seating remaster system will come in handy. Purchase GA, but you will have an assigned seat by game day.

Or they could rope off the uppers and just force everyone into the lower bowl.
You know, that place is waaaaayyyy larger than any MAC team needs with the exception of the urban MAC teams that may have an arena that also draws touring entertainment (Toledo, I'm looking at you). When the Convo was built, it was thought to be part of a burdgeoning concert industry. Afterall, there is nothing else between Columbus and Huntington/Charleston. To their credit, they booked Zeppelin, The Who, CSNY, Springsteen, Billy Joel, Boston, The Eagles, The Beach Boys, etc but it hasn't been a regular touring stop for over 40 years. Other than commencement is that place ever full? My point? They could get creative and knockout a bunch of seats. I'm thinking like Loudville in Cleveland or maybe some luxury suites.
The corporate world in SE Ohio would absolutely eat the luxury suite idea up. They will announce this right after the presser announcing the naming rights to the Convo.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 1:32 PM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."

We're getting way off topic here, but yeah, a lot of these bands are a joke now. Foreigner has ZERO original members on stage. Skynyrd, same. But with bands like Foreigner and Foghat, they were pretty faceless anyway. No one in that audience knows any different. The two versions thing really started about 25-30 years ago when Styx fired Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung said "you can't fire me, I founded the band." They went up through the court system and it was ruled that they were both right, so we have "Styx" and "Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx." That paved the way for two LA Guns, two GFRs, two Ratts, two Judas Priests, two Queensryche, etc.
I think the world is back down to just one Grand Funk Railroad right now. My old acquaintance Mark Chatfield (The Godz, Rosie, Bob Seger) from Columbus is the non-original guitarist out on the road with them.
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Posted: 7/7/2025 4:00 PM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."

We're getting way off topic here, but yeah, a lot of these bands are a joke now. Foreigner has ZERO original members on stage. Skynyrd, same. But with bands like Foreigner and Foghat, they were pretty faceless anyway. No one in that audience knows any different. The two versions thing really started about 25-30 years ago when Styx fired Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung said "you can't fire me, I founded the band." They went up through the court system and it was ruled that they were both right, so we have "Styx" and "Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx." That paved the way for two LA Guns, two GFRs, two Ratts, two Judas Priests, two Queensryche, etc.
I think the world is back down to just one Grand Funk Railroad right now. My old acquaintance Mark Chatfield (The Godz, Rosie, Bob Seger) from Columbus is the non-original guitarist out on the road with them.

I'm basically counting Farner's "American Band" or whatever he is calling it as the other version and he still tours. You're friends with Chatfield? Small world, a good buddy of mine was pals with Eric Moore. The Godz are rock and roll machines!
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Posted: 7/7/2025 5:44 PM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."

We're getting way off topic here, but yeah, a lot of these bands are a joke now. Foreigner has ZERO original members on stage. Skynyrd, same. But with bands like Foreigner and Foghat, they were pretty faceless anyway. No one in that audience knows any different. The two versions thing really started about 25-30 years ago when Styx fired Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung said "you can't fire me, I founded the band." They went up through the court system and it was ruled that they were both right, so we have "Styx" and "Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx." That paved the way for two LA Guns, two GFRs, two Ratts, two Judas Priests, two Queensryche, etc.
I think the world is back down to just one Grand Funk Railroad right now. My old acquaintance Mark Chatfield (The Godz, Rosie, Bob Seger) from Columbus is the non-original guitarist out on the road with them.

I'm basically counting Farner's "American Band" or whatever he is calling it as the other version and he still tours. You're friends with Chatfield? Small world, a good buddy of mine was pals with Eric Moore. The Godz are rock and roll machines!
I haven't run into Mark in a long time. Since Eric passed, Mark is the only living remaining member of The Godz from back in the day. There should be a monument to them in the lobby of Newport Music Hall from back when it was The Agora. Wild times, indeed.
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Posted: 7/9/2025 4:01 PM
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BTO is still taking care of business? I would have guessed that their hearts had exploded by now. The miracle of modern medicine.
Most of these old timer bands have one member from back in the day and not always a true "original" member making them basically a glorified cover band.

Example: Foghat is out touring with one longtime non-original member and a bunch of replacement guys. Starship and Jefferson Starship are two versions of a one former member band both out touring separately.

I saw the singer from Queensryche fronting a glorified cover band version of the group like 15 years ago and drew like 200 people in a 1500 seat venue...but the show was outstanding. He had Rudy Sarzo (Quiet Riot, Ozzy, etc) in the "band."

We're getting way off topic here, but yeah, a lot of these bands are a joke now. Foreigner has ZERO original members on stage. Skynyrd, same. But with bands like Foreigner and Foghat, they were pretty faceless anyway. No one in that audience knows any different. The two versions thing really started about 25-30 years ago when Styx fired Dennis DeYoung and DeYoung said "you can't fire me, I founded the band." They went up through the court system and it was ruled that they were both right, so we have "Styx" and "Dennis DeYoung and the Music of Styx." That paved the way for two LA Guns, two GFRs, two Ratts, two Judas Priests, two Queensryche, etc.
I think the world is back down to just one Grand Funk Railroad right now. My old acquaintance Mark Chatfield (The Godz, Rosie, Bob Seger) from Columbus is the non-original guitarist out on the road with them.

I'm basically counting Farner's "American Band" or whatever he is calling it as the other version and he still tours. You're friends with Chatfield? Small world, a good buddy of mine was pals with Eric Moore. The Godz are rock and roll machines!
I haven't run into Mark in a long time. Since Eric passed, Mark is the only living remaining member of The Godz from back in the day. There should be a monument to them in the lobby of Newport Music Hall from back when it was The Agora. Wild times, indeed.
Othan 21 Pilots, I can't think of any Columbus band that got signed to a major and toured the continent with the likes of KISS, Angel and Cheap Trick.
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Other than 21 Pilots, I can't think of any Columbus band that got signed to a major and toured the continent with the likes of KISS, Angel and Cheap Trick.
Rascal Flats? Dwight Yoakum?
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Other than 21 Pilots, I can't think of any Columbus band that got signed to a major and toured the continent with the likes of KISS, Angel and Cheap Trick.
Rascal Flats? Dwight Yoakum?
*ROCK* Band
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Posted: 7/10/2025 11:13 AM
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Other than 21 Pilots, I can't think of any Columbus band that got signed to a major and toured the continent with the likes of KISS, Angel and Cheap Trick.
Rascal Flats? Dwight Yoakum?
*ROCK* Band
Why would this Columbus reference have to only apply to "Rock Band"?

How about McGuffey Lane and the even Athens connection. Got signed with major label Atlantic. Toured with Allman Bros, Charlie Daniels, Marshall Tucker, plus back in the day.
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