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The Insider
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:45 PM
Who do you guys think will be starting for the Bobbies in 2024
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Posted: 12/17/2023 11:29 AM
A lot of freshman & sophomore's, plus a few portals from division one. The Bobcats are going to be young and cherry picked for transfer to larger schools in their later college playing days.
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Posted: 12/17/2023 2:35 PM
Bobcat Jerry wrote:expand_more
A lot of freshman & sophomore's, plus a few portals from division one. The Bobcats are going to be young and cherry picked for transfer to larger schools in their later college playing days.
It will be the exact opposite of this years experienced team. Who knows who be even be left after the mass exodus that’s happening here
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Posted: 12/17/2023 10:56 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
A lot of freshman & sophomore's, plus a few portals from division one. The Bobcats are going to be young and cherry picked for transfer to larger schools in their later college playing days.
It will be the exact opposite of this years experienced team. Who knows who be even be left after the mass exodus that’s happening here

In addition to the mass exodus, there will be a matching inflow from the portal. To keep at 85 on scholarship, things have to match. It seems that as many as half the players on the team will turn over every year, at least for awhile. As a result, trying to project the lineup one year out will become impossible. Everyone, fans, players, and staff, are going to have to get used to an environment where players can leave at a drop of a hat, always looking to maximize their person utility, which could include personal goals like more money, more playing time, better coaching, better facilities, and a great college town.
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Last Edited: 12/18/2023 5:20:43 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:26 AM
I'm sure this has been answered here before, but I'll ask since I have not seen it. Does Navarro have one more year? I know ESPN listed him as a Senior, but I also don't remember him partaking in Senior Day in Peden.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:27 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Everyone, fans, players, and staff, are going to have to get used to an environment where players can leave at a drop of a hat, always looking to maximize their person utility, which could include personal goals like more money, more playing time, better coaching, better facilities, and a great college town.
And no mention of academics, sadly, the original mission of colleges and universities.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:40 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Everyone, fans, players, and staff, are going to have to get used to an environment where players can leave at a drop of a hat, always looking to maximize their person utility, which could include personal goals like more money, more playing time, better coaching, better facilities, and a great college town.
And no mention of academics, sadly, the original mission of colleges and universities.
You see a lot of folks mentioning academics over in the IJ Ezuma thread?

If folks want academics to be the most important thing for the student, make it the most important thing for the athletics programs. It's not, so it's not. But let's at least acknowledge how that's come to be.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 9:44 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
I'm sure this has been answered here before, but I'll ask since I have not seen it. Does Navarro have one more year? I know ESPN listed him as a Senior, but I also don't remember him partaking in Senior Day in Peden.

I don't claim to understand how many years any player has, with some seeming to play for 7 or 8, but here is my best guess. He was originally a UCF recruit in 2020, and seems to have redshirted in 2020. That would mean he could play in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. Add a Covid year, and add a hardship year for his injury last year, and I would guess he will still be playing in 2026, if he chooses to do so. Thus, my uninformed guess is that he has 3 years remaining.

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Everyone, fans, players, and staff, are going to have to get used to an environment where players can leave at a drop of a hat, always looking to maximize their person utility, which could include personal goals like more money, more playing time, better coaching, better facilities, and a great college town.
And no mention of academics, sadly, the original mission of colleges and universities.
You see a lot of folks mentioning academics over in the IJ Ezuma thread?

If folks want academics to be the most important thing for the student, make it the most important thing for the athletics programs. It's not, so it's not. But let's at least acknowledge how that's come to be.

It is a factor at Ohio. One reason Ohio has had some success in the portal is their sports management program. Nevertheless, it seems clear that "college football" is now a profession, and the education is of secondary importance. The logical endpoint is for colleges to spin off their teams.
“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus
Last Edited: 12/18/2023 9:48:53 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 10:21 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
The logical endpoint is for colleges to spin off their teams.
And a split between the 60-80 colleges where academics is an afterthought and 60-80 where academics is still a priority?
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Posted: 12/18/2023 11:14 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
The logical endpoint is for colleges to spin off their teams.
And a split between the 60-80 colleges where academics is an afterthought and 60-80 where academics is still a priority?
Theres quite a few top 100 academic schools that still play big boy football, not sure it has to be mutually exclusive.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 12:05 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
It is a factor at Ohio. One reason Ohio has had some success in the portal is their sports management program. Nevertheless, it seems clear that "college football" is now a profession, and the education is of secondary importance. The logical endpoint is for colleges to spin off their teams.
I get your point, but my broader point is that in the context of the transfer portal people solely mention academics when a player who contributes on the field chooses to transfer.

But when somebody like IJ Ezuma isn't contributing, we want that scholarship slot back and IJ's degree's not relevant.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 12:40 PM
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I don't claim to understand how many years any player has, with some seeming to play for 7 or 8, but here is my best guess. He was originally a UCF recruit in 2020, and seems to have redshirted in 2020. That would mean he could play in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. Add a Covid year, and add a hardship year for his injury last year, and I would guess he will still be playing in 2026, if he chooses to do so. Thus, my uninformed guess is that he has 3 years remaining.
He most certainly has 2. He was certainly a redshirt his first year, so he only exhausted 1 year at UCF and came to us as a Redshirt Sophomore. In a normal world, he would be coming back for his redshirt Senior year, but we know he has his Covid year available which makes 2. Assuming the 3rd based on injury seems like a stretch to me, but the NCAA is a mystery on these things and pretty soft these days so it is entirely possible.

I am fine with Parker being the guy and becoming a run first offense, I think he has enough of an arm to be dangerous. It will be interesting to see if the coaches are tempted by a portal QB instead.

Can't understate the importance of a good bowl showing with a young team thrown into a mess with all the portal departures. Has to be seen as an attractive option for guys looking for a new home. The bowl performance can help paint the story - A good young core and a coaching staff that can re-load.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:17 PM
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I don't claim to understand how many years any player has, with some seeming to play for 7 or 8, but here is my best guess. He was originally a UCF recruit in 2020, and seems to have redshirted in 2020. That would mean he could play in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. Add a Covid year, and add a hardship year for his injury last year, and I would guess he will still be playing in 2026, if he chooses to do so. Thus, my uninformed guess is that he has 3 years remaining.
He most certainly has 2. He was certainly a redshirt his first year, so he only exhausted 1 year at UCF and came to us as a Redshirt Sophomore. In a normal world, he would be coming back for his redshirt Senior year, but we know he has his Covid year available which makes 2. Assuming the 3rd based on injury seems like a stretch to me, but the NCAA is a mystery on these things and pretty soft these days so it is entirely possible.

I am fine with Parker being the guy and becoming a run first offense, I think he has enough of an arm to be dangerous. It will be interesting to see if the coaches are tempted by a portal QB instead.

Can't understate the importance of a good bowl showing with a young team thrown into a mess with all the portal departures. Has to be seen as an attractive option for guys looking for a new home. The bowl performance can help paint the story - A good young core and a coaching staff that can re-load.
On 247 sports, we offered a grand total of 2 offers to QB’s. That may change because of recent events, but that’s not many.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 1:45 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I don't claim to understand how many years any player has, with some seeming to play for 7 or 8, but here is my best guess. He was originally a UCF recruit in 2020, and seems to have redshirted in 2020. That would mean he could play in 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024. Add a Covid year, and add a hardship year for his injury last year, and I would guess he will still be playing in 2026, if he chooses to do so. Thus, my uninformed guess is that he has 3 years remaining.
He most certainly has 2. He was certainly a redshirt his first year, so he only exhausted 1 year at UCF and came to us as a Redshirt Sophomore. In a normal world, he would be coming back for his redshirt Senior year, but we know he has his Covid year available which makes 2. Assuming the 3rd based on injury seems like a stretch to me, but the NCAA is a mystery on these things and pretty soft these days so it is entirely possible.
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Yes, he can't apply until after he has used all his other eligibility, so it won't be known for sure whether it will be granted for awhile, but in 2022 he was only able to play in two games before a season ending injury against Iowa State. It seems to me that the NCAA would approve an extra year, if he applies. Of course, with the portal, he might be gone by then for other reasons.

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On 247 sports, we offered a grand total of 2 offers to QB’s. That may change because of recent events, but that’s not many.

One huge advantage of the early bowl game is that it is already out of the way. Albin and staff are no doubt studying who will be left on the team, figuring out what holes will need to be filled, and poring over lists and videos of players who are available, finding ways to fill those holes. With all that, and arranging for early signing this week for those already committed to Ohio, they staff has a busy, busy week, and having no game to prepare for at the same time is a good thing.
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Posted: 12/18/2023 3:43 PM
Half these kids who are bouncing multiple times probably have more classes from an adjunct at Grand Canyon then they do the school they attend.
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