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Posted: 10/25/2023 3:29 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 4:27 PM
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 7:33 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
The LIU game in September had 18,000 plus in attendance and the Western Michigan game last week was slightly more than 16,000. FCS games don't always bring lower attendance numbers.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:12 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
The LIU game in September had 18,000 plus in attendance and the Western Michigan game last week was slightly more than 16,000. FCS games don't always bring lower attendance numbers.
Yes, but ISU had a lot more and UC would probably bring more than ISU.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:52 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
The LIU game in September had 18,000 plus in attendance and the Western Michigan game last week was slightly more than 16,000. FCS games don't always bring lower attendance numbers.
If you think that there were 16,000 butts in seats last Saturday, I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The LIU attendance figure was a lot more accurate. A certain poster, who will remain anonymous at this point, would probably tell you TB was in the house and counting attendance for the WMU game.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 9:09 PM
My observation on this is that in recent years the athletic department has lost control over game times because of ESPN+. Instead of scheduling night games early in the season to maximize attendance everything is locked into how the TV operators want it. Hence the noon games and lower crowds.

With the future scheduling a couple of years ago Ohio had Syracuse, Iowa St, West Virginia and Cincinnati all visiting. At this point only West Virginia as a power conference home opponent. Opportunity seems squandered to increase interest by loading up the schedule. West Virginia should be the best crowd in Peden since the pandemic. Its tough to say how much leverage MAC schools will have in the future in bringining in teams.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 9:19 PM
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Coastal Carolina needs a road game in 2026, and Western Kentucky is open. I'd pursue either one of those, as both have been strong recently, particularly Coastal since they moved up.
Better than South Alabama and Texas State. Should be playing SBC East not SBC West when those programs are relatively close by.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:38 AM
We play nonconference road games and two home games in a season if we want 6 home games. Not all MAC teams play 6 home games every season these days but we still have tried to every season. We played a contract with UC where we played a home game and didn't get one back and have a two for one with WVU. You can say we can get a contract with Coastal or whoever where we have the home game first but really since we are a game behind and used to play some home and home series with both home or road first I think that saying we now can solve the problem by constantly getting contracts with the home game always first is just kicking the can down the road. We'll always be contractually committed to more future road games than home if we keep doing that and at some point it will blow up. That shouldn't be hard to follow. And that will be the case until we don't play a P5 payout road game, play two FCS home games, or only play 5 home games. This creates a problem they need to decide how to solve. They aren't just pocketing half a million dollars for doing nothing.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:44 AM
Or think of it this way. We got paid 500K to do what turned into a P5 payout game even though it wasn't supposed to be at the time. I think our fee is usually close to 1M these days but, I'm not sure, that's off the top of my head. If that's the case it clearly isn't a good thing.

We have several seasons in the future where we have our usual schedule. One end, home and road, each of a home and home, a payout game and a payin game with an FCS. Right now though there are also two seasons where the two road games are already set and nothing else. Typically, one of the missing home games in those seasons is a home game vs. FCS. Always trying to to sign G5 series with the home game first might work fit for a while but it is just kicking the can down the road. We might look for two payout games down the road to recoup some money but that might leave us with only three Saturday home games. And with P5 conferences playing 9 conference games they might be harder to come by and the payout might end up dropping. Or we could buy an extra FCS game and play a weak schedule if we have the cash to do it.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 9:13 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
The LIU game in September had 18,000 plus in attendance and the Western Michigan game last week was slightly more than 16,000. FCS games don't always bring lower attendance numbers.
Home opener vs a game coming off a huge loss...

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Posted: 10/26/2023 9:20 AM
There's another element to this. We schedule some series knowing full well the other school is going to back out. Those dollars are used for capital projects such as the new hydrotherapy pools being installed in Peden (cost: $900K), equipping the Sook Center, renovating meeting areas in Peden tower, paying for recruiting visits, etc. We don't have the donor base to fund any of this stuff. In my opinion, Julie Cromer has been masterful in her scheduling strategy. She's got a lot of contacts/friends that Jim Schaus never had.
Last Edited: 10/26/2023 9:21:53 AM by SBH
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:09 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
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Ohio gets $500,000 per terms of the contract.
Pretty nice paycheck for doing nothing.
We may have to buy a game from an FCS team to keep 6 home games every season in the coming years and that will take all of that and give us a game with less attendance. I don't think that this is what the athletic department was hoping for.
The LIU game in September had 18,000 plus in attendance and the Western Michigan game last week was slightly more than 16,000. FCS games don't always bring lower attendance numbers.
If you think that there were 16,000 butts in seats last Saturday, I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The LIU attendance figure was a lot more accurate. A certain poster, who will remain anonymous at this point, would probably tell you TB was in the house and counting attendance for the WMU game.
Just wait until this Saturday! The crowd will be epic! Battle of the Bricks!
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:10 PM
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There's another element to this. We schedule some series knowing full well the other school is going to back out. Those dollars are used for capital projects such as the new hydrotherapy pools being installed in Peden (cost: $900K), equipping the Sook Center, renovating meeting areas in Peden tower, paying for recruiting visits, etc. We don't have the donor base to fund any of this stuff. In my opinion, Julie Cromer has been masterful in her scheduling strategy. She's got a lot of contacts/friends that Jim Schaus never had.
I agree with this, and if the game does go through, GREAT! What is WVU going to pay us when they back out next summer?
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Posted: 10/26/2023 2:54 PM
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There's another element to this. We schedule some series knowing full well the other school is going to back out. Those dollars are used for capital projects such as the new hydrotherapy pools being installed in Peden (cost: $900K), equipping the Sook Center, renovating meeting areas in Peden tower, paying for recruiting visits, etc. We don't have the donor base to fund any of this stuff. In my opinion, Julie Cromer has been masterful in her scheduling strategy. She's got a lot of contacts/friends that Jim Schaus never had.
I agree with this, and if the game does go through, GREAT! What is WVU going to pay us when they back out next summer?
They are not backing out. My sources, which are legendary and on par with SBH's, tell me that they want revenge for their 1897 loss in Athens. They are still smarting about that 12-0 smackdown. [Note: TDs were only 5 points at that time, FG were also 5 points, but the advantage of a TD was that you got to try for the PAT.]
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Posted: 10/26/2023 6:26 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
There's another element to this. We schedule some series knowing full well the other school is going to back out. Those dollars are used for capital projects such as the new hydrotherapy pools being installed in Peden (cost: $900K), equipping the Sook Center, renovating meeting areas in Peden tower, paying for recruiting visits, etc. We don't have the donor base to fund any of this stuff. In my opinion, Julie Cromer has been masterful in her scheduling strategy. She's got a lot of contacts/friends that Jim Schaus never had.
Why would you try to do this? Why not just schedule a payout game to begin with. The end result is the same and a lot less complicated.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:35 PM
So you believe we would pocket $500k after a home game w Cincinnati? Now we get half a million plus the proceeds of a home game.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:04 PM
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So you believe we would pocket $500k after a home game w Cincinnati? Now we get half a million plus the proceeds of a home game.
In the end we played a road game at UC and got paid $500K to do it. I think that we can make a little more than $500K just by straight away getting paid to play a road game without all of the complication and probably lost opportunities and negotiating leverage for scheduling replacement games on short notice . What am I missing?

We may end up paying a lot of that $500K to some FCS team to get the home game back in order to keep having 6 home games every year.
Last Edited: 10/26/2023 8:05:15 PM by Victory
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:29 PM
Half a million seems to be the standard cancellation fee in Cincy agreements with G5 teams. They also cancelled a home-and-home with WKU and pard the Hilltoppers $500,000.
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