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Posted: 9/16/2021 11:27 PM
This is a dumpster fire. I would have preferred a short term hit with an interim vs. a three year massive move backwards with a guy who is obviously way over his head. Just lost in all phases of the game and game management itself.
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Posted: 9/16/2021 11:33 PM
Can’t stop the 2nd team lol good job Ron
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Posted: 9/16/2021 11:39 PM
Not that it matters in the final score, but that guy for UL-L stepped out of bounds on the 3 yard line and they still gave him a TD without hesitation.

I've seen better officiating in high school games. Or middle school even.

Something is "not kosher" with this officiating crew.
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Posted: 9/16/2021 11:43 PM
I think this is simply unbearable for those who endured the Knorr years. At least Knorr could clearly articulate his thoughts and wasn't a complete embarrassment!
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Posted: 9/17/2021 12:01 AM
I'll go ahead and say this, and it's just my personal opinion.

But the way this is projecting to be, the Albin era will strongly sour my views on Frank's so called legacy and success.

Granted he took a terrible program and made it respectable, but he had it on a downward trajectory for several years going into his ultimate retirement. I really wish he would have hung it up after the Spud Bowl and it was obvious the program was stagnating. He never brought home a MAC championship.

I was even ready to roll the dice between Tettleton era and and N. Rourke as the program was still in a good enough spot to attract legit coaching prospects.

As it stands now, Ohio Football will have to endure what we have seen so far this season 45 more times. 45 more-barring an early termination.

And this is on Frank's hands because of his "loyalty."

Only at this hapless school would an unproven coach be blindly handed the keys to the truck for four years out of fear that it would burn a bridge from a coach who had way too much control over a future that he made messy if he wasn't given what he thought was "earned." Short of last year's Men's NCAA tourney run, this entire athletics operation from on field/court performance to game day experience has been down right abysmal lately.

My fear is that the players who may actually be a part of making this program relevant again are in elementary school right now.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 1:09 AM
As I stated earlier, I watched the ULL/Nicholls State game last weekend and after watching our game tonight, I came away with the following. I am not sure how this is possible this quickly but not only are we in the tank, if we were in the FCS I seriously doubt we could beat over half of those schools playing FCS football. Seriously, our play tonight makes Nicholls State look like a P-5 school. How did the wheels come off of this program that quickly? I find it incredible that we gave this guy a 4 year contract. Not only do we need to fire Tim Albin and his entire staff, we need to fire the AD as well. If Albin is allowed to finish his 4 year contract, then OUr football program will be in worse shape then the Cleve/Lichty years. Sad, really really sad.

I should add that the ULL/Nicholls score was 27-24, not anywhere near the 49-14 beatdown we suffered tonight. Also, Nicholls plays in the FCS Southland Conference.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 1:32 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
What has Tettleton done to earn the gig?
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Posted: 9/17/2021 4:43 AM
ou79 wrote:expand_more
As I stated earlier, I watched the ULL/Nicholls State game last weekend and after watching our game tonight, I came away with the following. I am not sure how this is possible this quickly but not only are we in the tank, if we were in the FCS I seriously doubt we could beat over half of those schools playing FCS football. Seriously, our play tonight makes Nicholls State look like a P-5 school. How did the wheels come off of this program that quickly? I find it incredible that we gave this guy a 4 year contract. Not only do we need to fire Tim Albin and his entire staff, we need to fire the AD as well. If Albin is allowed to finish his 4 year contract, then OUr football program will be in worse shape then the Cleve/Lichty years. Sad, really really sad.

I should add that the ULL/Nicholls score was 27-24, not anywhere near the 49-14 beatdown we suffered tonight. Also, Nicholls plays in the FCS Southland Conference.
Nicholls State has transfers from (among others):

Missouri
Mississippi State
TCU
Tulane
Texas Tech
Houston
Georgia Tech
Memphis
LSU

A player who signs with LSU or Bama and then is recruited over and leaves, is still more talented than somebody else. Usually.

UL-L has transfers from (including):

Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Kansas St.
TCU
Maryland
LSU
Alabama
Indiana

Not all transfers are academic weaklings or troublemakers. Some of them were expecting big playing time and didn't get it. So they leave P5 U. for greener pastures.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 6:51 AM
This was the first time my wife go to see Albin coach.

From the beginning of the broadcast she said he looks extremely nervous
walking up and down the sidelines and that can't inspire any confidence
from his players.

As the game went on she said "he looks completely lost".
(Deer in headlights)
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Posted: 9/17/2021 7:30 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
But the way this is projecting to be, the Albin era will strongly sour my views on Frank's so called legacy and success.

Granted he took a terrible program and made it respectable, but he had it on a downward trajectory for several years going into his ultimate retirement. I really wish he would have hung it up after the Spud Bowl and it was obvious the program was stagnating. He never brought home a MAC championship.
Solich brought the program to "respectability", but only using a scale that simply doesn't matter at all.

We won no conference championships, beat nobody of note (Penn State is obviously a big name, but given the circumstances there's an asterisk), and optimized our program around boring, unchallenging non-conference schedules to ensure eligibility for bottom tier bowl games against other FBS teams from bottom tier conferences.

Frankly, it was a veneer of success and respectability, but that veneer hid the fact (from some) that our football program peaked as mediocre, and doesn't compete at a level that's relevant in any way. The last three weeks have laid bare just how thin the line is between regularly playing in the French's Onion Straw Bowl in Some 100k population city, and a top 40 FCS school.

As another poster has pointed out, it seems the new path to relevance as a mid major is to basically be a barnacle on the belly of big programs, and catch their cast offs. It is, frankly, the financial model, so it makes sense that it's the recruiting model now, too.

Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 7:35 AM
Truth.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 8:01 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
But the way this is projecting to be, the Albin era will strongly sour my views on Frank's so called legacy and success.

Granted he took a terrible program and made it respectable, but he had it on a downward trajectory for several years going into his ultimate retirement. I really wish he would have hung it up after the Spud Bowl and it was obvious the program was stagnating. He never brought home a MAC championship.
Solich brought the program to "respectability", but only using a scale that simply doesn't matter at all.

We won no conference championships, beat nobody of note (Penn State is obviously a big name, but given the circumstances there's an asterisk), and optimized our program around boring, unchallenging non-conference schedules to ensure eligibility for bottom tier bowl games against other FBS teams from bottom tier conferences.

Frankly, it was a veneer of success and respectability, but that veneer hid the fact (from some) that our football program peaked as mediocre, and doesn't compete at a level that's relevant in any way. The last three weeks have laid bare just how thin the line is between regularly playing in the French's Onion Straw Bowl in Some 100k population city, and a top 40 FCS school.

As another poster has pointed out, it seems the new path to relevance as a mid major is to basically be a barnacle on the belly of big programs, and catch their cast offs. It is, frankly, the financial model, so it makes sense that it's the recruiting model now, too.

Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.
Hard to disagree with a lot of this. I notice that the green Kool Aid drinkers of the past several years are either non existent or very quiet at the present moment. How didn't anyone see this coming?

I love what Frank did for Ohio football, but the fact that we (collective OHIO we) let him dictate the future of a program he would no longer be coaching is beyond foolish. Consult, throw some money at us, lend an ear...fine. But to let him make the decision on who we hired as the next coach? Cmon guys and gals. How many times as the coach-in-waiting really worked out?

And you can't tell me Albin stayed here out of loyalty either. There's a reason he was here for 16 years and never left. He's just not good head coach material. Plain and simple. Some guys are better made to be coordinators.

The recruiting is what kills me the most. With all the consistency and stability this program had for 16 YEARS IN THE MID AMERICAN CONFERENCE, we have never signed a top recruiting class in said conference. Ever. Not once. What does that tell you?

Freaking Akron won a MAC title before we did. Akron.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 9:39 AM
I can't change the fact I already spent $700 to attend the NW Game. Planned it a month ago and I can't do anything about it now. I will have to listen to my Sister -in-law (NW Grad) and Brother-in-law (Wiscy Grad) railroad me over our HS Team. Great.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 10:18 AM
Diamond Cat wrote:expand_more
I can't change the fact I already spent $700 to attend the NW Game. Planned it a month ago and I can't do anything about it now. I will have to listen to my Sister -in-law (NW Grad) and Brother-in-law (Wiscy Grad) railroad me over our HS Team. Great.
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To add to my post above, when I talk about Nicholls State being an FCS program that plays in the Southland Conference, that means that Nicholls State has a maximum of 63 football scholarships total as opposed to our 85 scholarships. Secondly, it appears we spent $9,935,951 on football in 2019, while Nicholls State spent a total of $2,967,630 for its football program at the same time. Finally, even if we were in the FCS I do think OUr current team would still be a bottom feeder. As others have posted, the house of cards that is Ohio football has been exposed at just how bad it really is.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 12:23 PM
Frank earned our respect and admiration as being our head coach. Frank did not earn the right to dictate or unduly influence whom our next head coach would be. IF Julie allowed this to happen she abdicated the responsibilities of her office and the duties to which the university hired her to perform. Shameful on both fronts. Albin’s freightened/panicked look on the sideline is not something one would hope for in a head coach. Ohio simply does not have the resources to pay our way out of this debacle. While Frank certainly came in and lead a moribund program from the depths of despair, it appears he has had a hand in leading it right back where he found it. In trying to brighten the mood our 0-3 start puts us 3 weeks closer to the first jump-ball. I’m afraid we’re back to the days of just trying to endure football until basketball can begin.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 1:07 PM
Walton seems like a Papi-type player -- they even gave him Papi's number -- but he really needs to harness his enthusiasm. He was called for one unsportsmanlike last night after the TD and could easily have gotten another one earlier when he trash talked and flashed his muscle at a Cajun defender for about ten seconds. If he hadn't been walking back towards his end of the field he probably would have been flagged. A RS junior -- even one who hasn't seen much action -- should have more discipline.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 4:47 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Walton seems like a Papi-type player -- they even gave him Papi's number -- but he really needs to harness his enthusiasm. He was called for one unsportsmanlike last night after the TD and could easily have gotten another one earlier when he trash talked and flashed his muscle at a Cajun defender for about ten seconds. If he hadn't been walking back towards his end of the field he probably would have been flagged. A RS junior -- even one who hasn't seen much action -- should have more discipline.
The penalty on the dance was kinda weak. I guess I didn’t realize how much they were going to penalize with the new unsportsmanlike conduct penalties this year.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 5:15 PM
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Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.
I'm beginning to honestly believe this as well. While there are a handful of MAC schools that seem to manage to compete with P5 schools, I can't see how any of them can afford to sustain that given the economics of "big time" college football. And I know data suggests that the MAC is better off financially in the FBS, but at some point, my gut feeling would be that it can't last.

Recently, I was talking with someone about the move of UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU to the Big 12, and the trickle down effects of that. Obviously the AAC is going to look to fill the void left by those teams. And then wherever those teams come from will fill that void, etc. My opinion is that now is the perfect time for many schools that get left behind from that to decide on their level of commitment to football and whether it's worth it financially.
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The penalty on the dance was kinda weak. I guess I didn’t realize how much they were going to penalize with the new unsportsmanlike conduct penalties this year.
Every ref in the country for at least the past 5 years would have called that one.
The context of the game/season makes it even dumber
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.


I'm beginning to honestly believe this as well. While there are a handful of MAC schools that seem to manage to compete with P5 schools, I can't see how any of them can afford to sustain that given the economics of "big time" college football. And I know data suggests that the MAC is better off financially in the FBS, but at some point, my gut feeling would be that it can't last.

Recently, I was talking with someone about the move of UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU to the Big 12, and the trickle down effects of that. Obviously the AAC is going to look to fill the void left by those teams. My opinion is that now is the perfect time for many schools that get left behind from that to decide on their level of commitment to football.
 

First of all, the MAC is not now nor has ever been in an arms race against the P5. Miami is the Cradle of Coaches because as long as 60 years ago it wasn't going to pay the money the P5 does. Second, the business model of FCS isn't great. Less scholarships, yes. But the loss of revenue offsets that. That's why we've seen traditional FCS powers (like Appy State) go FBS.

I think, especially non-P5 schools, need to start seriously driving for endowment models. There is no reason that Ohio, with probably 800 to 1,000 living football alumni, should not be able endow 1 or .5 scholarships per year. Same for the other sports, they have fewer former players but fewer scholarships to cover. We've seen people pony up (BG baseball) when sports get taken away. 

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Be more realistic about what can be achieved with the program. If the goal is to win the division and make a bowl game leave it at that. Frank and Tim are trying to blow smoke to donors when the economics don't present a path to the Top 10.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 7:01 PM
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Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.


I'm beginning to honestly believe this as well. While there are a handful of MAC schools that seem to manage to compete with P5 schools, I can't see how any of them can afford to sustain that given the economics of "big time" college football. And I know data suggests that the MAC is better off financially in the FBS, but at some point, my gut feeling would be that it can't last.

Recently, I was talking with someone about the move of UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU to the Big 12, and the trickle down effects of that. Obviously the AAC is going to look to fill the void left by those teams. My opinion is that now is the perfect time for many schools that get left behind from that to decide on their level of commitment to football.

First of all, the MAC is not now nor has ever been in an arms race against the P5. Miami is the Cradle of Coaches because as long as 60 years ago it wasn't going to pay the money the P5 does. Second, the business model of FCS isn't great. Less scholarships, yes. But the loss of revenue offsets that. That's why we've seen traditional FCS powers (like Appy State) go FBS.
I think, especially non-P5 schools, need to start seriously driving for endowment models. There is no reason that Ohio, with probably 800 to 1,000 living football alumni, should not be able endow 1 or .5 scholarships per year. Same for the other sports, they have fewer former players but fewer scholarships to cover. We've seen people pony up (BG baseball) when sports get taken away.
I don't post a ton but I've lurked forever, and as long as I've been around there's been a small-but-not-insignificant contingent of fans who want us to all but dump football to try to be Gonzaga in hoops. This sentiment always crops up when things go poorly on the football field, and now is no exception. It's always felt a little disingenuous to me... if you like basketball better as a sport and therefore want OU to put more into basketball, just say that. That's a legitimate opinion to have. In football? We're in the most stable conference in the country, for better or for worse, and dropping to FCS obviously hasn't penciled out enough for anyone to actually do it save Idaho.
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Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.


I'm beginning to honestly believe this as well. While there are a handful of MAC schools that seem to manage to compete with P5 schools, I can't see how any of them can afford to sustain that given the economics of "big time" college football. And I know data suggests that the MAC is better off financially in the FBS, but at some point, my gut feeling would be that it can't last.

Recently, I was talking with someone about the move of UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU to the Big 12, and the trickle down effects of that. Obviously the AAC is going to look to fill the void left by those teams. My opinion is that now is the perfect time for many schools that get left behind from that to decide on their level of commitment to football.
.First of all, the MAC is not now nor has ever been in an arms race against the P5. Miami is the Cradle of Coaches because as long as 60 years ago it wasn't going to pay the money the P5 does. Second, the business model of FCS isn't great. Less scholarships, yes. But the loss of revenue offsets that. That's why we've seen traditional FCS powers (like Appy State) go FBS.
I think, especially non-P5 schools, need to start seriously driving for endowment models. There is no reason that Ohio, with probably 800 to 1,000 living football alumni, should not be able endow 1 or .5 scholarships per year. Same for the other sports, they have fewer former players but fewer scholarships to cover. We've seen people pony up (BG baseball) when sports get taken away.
I don't post a ton but I've lurked forever, and as long as I've been around there's been a small-but-not-insignificant contingent of fans who want us to all but dump football to try to be Gonzaga in hoops. This sentiment always crops up when things go poorly on the football field, and now is no exception. It's always felt a little disingenuous to me... if you like basketball better as a sport and therefore want OU to put more into basketball, just say that. That's a legitimate opinion to have. In football? We're in the most stable conference in the country, for better or for worse, and dropping to FCS obviously hasn't penciled out enough for anyone to actually do it save Idaho.
And others who think we're the next Boise State, or the flavor of the day, in football. Been fun to read the rants the past 2 days. From attacks on Cromer, who actually negotiated a decent contract, to Albin is worst coach ever. Frank retires less than 8 weeks prior to opening game. Did the Monday morning QB's want us to do a nationwide search for a new head coach? I expected a 1-2 start, with a win over Duquesne. So we're 0-3. Did the world end? What's worse, 0-3 or Covid and personal health at this stage?

So for all the loudmouths, why not set up a GoFundMe link to buy out Albin's contract? Better yet would be if those people actually stepped up and contributed in a substantial way. After all, both college football and basketball, is just a "game". These guys are just student-athletes, with 99.9 percent going on to traditional careers, outside of professional athletics.

I'll be back in a week to read the "attacks".
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mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
Otherwise, the entire MAC is better suited at the FCS level.


I'm beginning to honestly believe this as well. While there are a handful of MAC schools that seem to manage to compete with P5 schools, I can't see how any of them can afford to sustain that given the economics of "big time" college football. And I know data suggests that the MAC is better off financially in the FBS, but at some point, my gut feeling would be that it can't last.

Recently, I was talking with someone about the move of UC, UCF, Houston, and BYU to the Big 12, and the trickle down effects of that. Obviously the AAC is going to look to fill the void left by those teams. My opinion is that now is the perfect time for many schools that get left behind from that to decide on their level of commitment to football.
.First of all, the MAC is not now nor has ever been in an arms race against the P5. Miami is the Cradle of Coaches because as long as 60 years ago it wasn't going to pay the money the P5 does. Second, the business model of FCS isn't great. Less scholarships, yes. But the loss of revenue offsets that. That's why we've seen traditional FCS powers (like Appy State) go FBS.
I think, especially non-P5 schools, need to start seriously driving for endowment models. There is no reason that Ohio, with probably 800 to 1,000 living football alumni, should not be able endow 1 or .5 scholarships per year. Same for the other sports, they have fewer former players but fewer scholarships to cover. We've seen people pony up (BG baseball) when sports get taken away.
I don't post a ton but I've lurked forever, and as long as I've been around there's been a small-but-not-insignificant contingent of fans who want us to all but dump football to try to be Gonzaga in hoops. This sentiment always crops up when things go poorly on the football field, and now is no exception. It's always felt a little disingenuous to me... if you like basketball better as a sport and therefore want OU to put more into basketball, just say that. That's a legitimate opinion to have. In football? We're in the most stable conference in the country, for better or for worse, and dropping to FCS obviously hasn't penciled out enough for anyone to actually do it save Idaho.
And others who think we're the next Boise State, or the flavor of the day, in football. Been fun to read the rants the past 2 days. From attacks on Cromer, who actually negotiated a decent contract, to Albin is worst coach ever. Frank retires less than 8 weeks prior to opening game. Did the Monday morning QB's want us to do a nationwide search for a new head coach? I expected a 1-2 start, with a win over Duquesne. So we're 0-3. Did the world end? What's worse, 0-3 or Covid and personal health at this stage?

So for all the loudmouths, why not set up a GoFundMe link to buy out Albin's contract? Better yet would be if those people actually stepped up and contributed in a substantial way. After all, both college football and basketball, is just a "game". These guys are just student-athletes, with 99.9 percent going on to traditional careers, outside of professional athletics.

I'll be back in a week to read the "attacks".
Your standards of defining acceptable is essentially that you have no standards. Saying Cromer negotiated a decent contract tells me you must be her cousin or something. Did the world end? No. But has the program turned into a punching bag seemingly overnight? Might as well be in Mike Tyson’s basement. The student-athlete point you touched on is seemingly irrelevant on a COLLEGE sports forum. Every single team in the nation is comprised of student-athletes. COVID and personal health are also irrelevant in this discussion. It’s no different anywhere else and it’s a topic anyone with working eyes and ears can see is truly nothing more than overblown and sensationalized for political purposes at this point.
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