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Posted: 10/25/2020 12:33 AM
O$U coach Ryan Day apologized to Nebraska for the Buckeyes scoring a TD from the Nebraska 2 yd line in the final minute with a 28-pt lead. To his credit he said that he didn't want to run up the score. But he also said that O$U had a young QB in the game and didn't have the personnel in the game to take a knee. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30182863...

I'm just curious as to what personnel a team needs in the game on offense to take a knee. It seems that all they would need is a snapper, a QB, somebody quick to line up 15 yds behind the line of scrimmage, and eight other guys. I didn't know that teams might have a "Take a Knee" unit. Does anyone have any insight on this?
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Posted: 10/25/2020 8:37 AM
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Posted: 10/25/2020 12:25 PM
Evidently it's the newest unit on special teams. You have a punt team, punt return team, FG team, kickoff team, kickoff return team, and now a "take a knee" (TAK) team. Just as you can't reasonably be expected to kick a field goal without your FG team on the field, you can't reasonably be expected to take a knee without your TAK team on the field.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 1:04 PM
Long Train Runnin' wrote:expand_more
Evidently it's the newest unit on special teams. You have a punt team, punt return team, FG team, kickoff team, kickoff return team, and now a "take a knee" (TAK) team. Just as you can't reasonably be expected to kick a field goal without your FG team on the field, you can't reasonably be expected to take a knee without your TAK team on the field.
Thanks for the info. For a minute there I thought Day was just making a lame excuse for letting his team run up the score. Of course, that couldn't be.
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Posted: 10/25/2020 7:07 PM
Some time back in the late 70's or early 80's Ohio HS rules allowed coaches to go out into the huddle during a time out instead of the team going to the sideline. I'll keep the schools and coaches names on the QT.

One school was pounding a "young" program. The winning team had put their worst team on the field at the end but even that couldn't stop the onslaught. With little time remaining the young QB called a timeout near the goal line thinking that is what his coach would want.

The two coaches headed for the goal line from opposite sidelines the opposing coaches drew nearer and the trailing team coach started giving the leading coach a 4 letter tongue lashing--they knew each other and were not on the friendliest terms. The leader stated that he didn't want a timeout but that didn't stop the hot head trailer from escalating the situation until fists flew and the fight lasted quite a while as the two bulls let into each other.

I guess the guy isn't coaching now at Nebraska!
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Posted: 10/25/2020 9:56 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Some time back in the late 70's or early 80's Ohio HS rules allowed coaches to go out into the huddle during a time out instead of the team going to the sideline. I'll keep the schools and coaches names on the QT.

One school was pounding a "young" program. The winning team had put their worst team on the field at the end but even that couldn't stop the onslaught. With little time remaining the young QB called a timeout near the goal line thinking that is what his coach would want.

The two coaches headed for the goal line from opposite sidelines the opposing coaches drew nearer and the trailing team coach started giving the leading coach a 4 letter tongue lashing--they new each other and were not on the friendliest terms. The leader stated that he didn't want a timeout but that didn't stop the hot head trailer from escalating the situation until fists flew and the fight lasted quite a while as the two bulls let into each other.

I guess the guy isn't coaching now at Nebraska!
A coach can still go out to the middle of the field during a timeout to talk to their team.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 12:18 PM
Nebraska has been on the other side of lopsided scores, too. In particular, I remember a Nebraska game where they trounced Army on national TV. It was a road game, so they only had a 60 man travel squad, and they played their last string the entire second half. They did some other bizarre things, as well, including using offensive linemen on defense and defensive linemen on offense, as well as letting their placekicker playing the game at a position; I think it was linebacker. I think the final score was 77-7. Sometimes you just can't keep the score down.

In any case, I have no real problem with OSU scoring, though that excuse was lamer than the score itself. He should have just said he had his last string in, and he didn't expect the score.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 1:58 PM
Yeah, sorry! Zero sympathy here for Nebraska.

I've watched them put 84 on Minnesota when Coach Osborne was there, winning by 71. Since then they put up 77 two other times in lopsided blowouts (other than the 77 they put on Army in 1972).

In the non-modern era they put up over 100 points four times, so yeah, No empathy or sympathy.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 2:42 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Yeah, sorry! Zero sympathy here for Nebraska.

I've watched them put 84 on Minnesota when Coach Osborne was there, winning by 71. Since then they put up 77 two other times in lopsided blowouts (other than the 77 they put on Army in 1972).

In the non-modern era they put up over 100 points four times, so yeah, No empathy or sympathy.
That said, and i agree with every word you wrote there, Ryan Day should be mocked for his lame excuse. A better response would have been: “our [whatever] team players were in there and they scored. If Nebraska doesn’t like that, they should have stopped them.”
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Posted: 10/26/2020 2:57 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Yeah, sorry! Zero sympathy here for Nebraska.

I've watched them put 84 on Minnesota when Coach Osborne was there, winning by 71. Since then they put up 77 two other times in lopsided blowouts (other than the 77 they put on Army in 1972).

In the non-modern era they put up over 100 points four times, so yeah, No empathy or sympathy.
That said, and i agree with every word you wrote there, Ryan Day should be mocked for his lame excuse. A better response would have been: “our [whatever] team players were in there and they scored. If Nebraska doesn’t like that, they should have stopped them.”
Do not disagree with you at all!
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Posted: 10/26/2020 6:03 PM
Or even "to get in the CFB playoffs we have have to win by as a big a margin as possible." To blame it on not having the right personnel doesn't quite measure up.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 8:05 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Yeah, sorry! Zero sympathy here for Nebraska.

I've watched them put 84 on Minnesota when Coach Osborne was there, winning by 71. Since then they put up 77 two other times in lopsided blowouts (other than the 77 they put on Army in 1972).

In the non-modern era they put up over 100 points four times, so yeah, No empathy or sympathy.
That said, and i agree with every word you wrote there, Ryan Day should be mocked for his lame excuse. A better response would have been: “our [whatever] team players were in there and they scored. If Nebraska doesn’t like that, they should have stopped them.”
Do not disagree with you at all!
Nebraska must've had its "We Thought You Were Going to Take a Knee" defensive personnel in.
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Posted: 10/26/2020 9:28 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Yeah, sorry! Zero sympathy here for Nebraska.

I've watched them put 84 on Minnesota when Coach Osborne was there, winning by 71. Since then they put up 77 two other times in lopsided blowouts (other than the 77 they put on Army in 1972).

In the non-modern era they put up over 100 points four times, so yeah, No empathy or sympathy.
That said, and i agree with every word you wrote there, Ryan Day should be mocked for his lame excuse. A better response would have been: “our [whatever] team players were in there and they scored. If Nebraska doesn’t like that, they should have stopped them.”
Sounds like you are channeling your inner Woody Hayes! ;-)
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Posted: 11/14/2020 7:49 PM
ABC announcers were wondering this evening why Coach Kelly had his offensive starters, including QB Ian Book, on the field with under a minute left and ND leading BC by 14. Could it have been that Kelly didn't trust his backup QB to execute the difficult task of taking a snap and placing one of his two knees on the ground? Perhaps he thought only Book could successfully accomplish this, which he did on consecutive snaps to let the clock run out.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:43 PM
Last night Luke Fickell had a double-whammy vs ECU. First, Cincy pulled a fake punt for a first down even though they led by 30-something points in the fourth quarter. Then, after ECU scored a TD, they ran a play instead of taking a knee with 17 seconds left and scored on a 75-yd TD run to make the final 55-17. According to ESPN's announcers, Cincy considered this a "revenge" game from last year's game, where Cincy beat ECU but gave up 43 points. ECU coach Mike Houston had plenty to say to Fickell after the game. Fickell apologized for the fake punt but apparently for the last TD. I guess when you don't have a "P" on your schedule you need to run up the score to impress the committee.
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Posted: 11/15/2020 12:14 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Last night Luke Fickell had a double-whammy vs ECU. First, Cincy pulled a fake punt for a first down even though they led by 30-something points in the fourth quarter. Then, after ECU scored a TD, they ran a play instead of taking a knee with 17 seconds left and scored on a 75-yd TD run to make the final 55-17. According to ESPN's announcers, Cincy considered this a "revenge" game from last year's game, where Cincy beat ECU but gave up 43 points. ECU coach Mike Houston had plenty to say to Fickell after the game. Fickell apologized for the fake punt but apparently for the last TD. I guess when you don't have a "P" on your schedule you need to run up the score to impress the committee.
They won the week before and dropped. So if Bama can do it, so too should Cincinnati.
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Posted: 11/25/2020 12:12 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
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Hell, with a 28 point lead you don't even need the safety guy!
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Posted: 11/25/2020 4:54 PM
They just a need a national anthem singer.

Sorry, bad joke. I don't think it's a funny topic, but the first thing "take a knee" brings to my mind now is its pre-game, not during game, use.
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Posted: 11/25/2020 5:07 PM
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Posted: 11/25/2020 6:28 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Last night Luke Fickell had a double-whammy vs ECU. First, Cincy pulled a fake punt for a first down even though they led by 30-something points in the fourth quarter. Then, after ECU scored a TD, they ran a play instead of taking a knee with 17 seconds left and scored on a 75-yd TD run to make the final 55-17. According to ESPN's announcers, Cincy considered this a "revenge" game from last year's game, where Cincy beat ECU but gave up 43 points. ECU coach Mike Houston had plenty to say to Fickell after the game. Fickell apologized for the fake punt but apparently for the last TD. I guess when you don't have a "P" on your schedule you need to run up the score to impress the committee.
They won the week before and dropped. So if Bama can do it, so too should Cincinnati.

Totally disagree. It's a coach's job to prepare his team. Mans game serves no pity to me. Coaches have back ups that need reps to look for potential future success and the amount of reps a player gets vs. his practice time is slim.

Coaches also want to test new plays and put wrinkles in for future games and to have defensive coordinators 'lose sleep over.'

My freshman redshirt year we lost to Bowling Green 72 - 21. It was heralded under Meyer but now its frowned up because it looks like you're being a bully.

The name of the game is to stop me from scoring. So I agree with Fickell on this. Pandemic season, no power 5 games, and a year where limited games have led to upset games this season. There is opportunity this year for a G5 to make it to a NY6. I see what he's trying to accomplish in by winning big in conference.
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