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Posted: 12/11/2025 11:49 AM
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The fact that the ND administration is mad that the “ACC turned their back on their biggest partner”, shows how out of touch and self absorbed they are! They obviously expect the ACC to lobby against their own member, a member who actually beat ND.

I'm pretty sure ND was upset that the ACC singled them out when lobbying for Miami. They could have gone after Alabama and Oklahoma as well and lobbied for both Miami and ND to get in.
How I took it as well.



If those are your final two teams, I can see how it could be a toss-up. But I would've leaned on Notre Dame.


In my eyes, Miami shouldn't be there. Should ND? They're ranked #9. So, yeah that would be my first qualifier. Some guys decided they disagreed with the AP voters and put Miami over them due to a 3-point loss in August.

I do like the bowl commissioner guy saying it came down to head-to-head. Wish we had him in charge of the MAC. BUT winning in week one, barely, isn't the empirical evidence I'm looking for here. Miami lost to Louisville and SMU. Notre Dame has two losses vs CFP teams - Miami (#10) and Texas A&M (#7).

And if you're still staring at the data, can't decide between the two going I have both at "95.5 points", I'm still probably giving ND the nod. Lets call it strength of losses, like they did to us. But it's hard to argue against the head-to-head. I think it's just harder to use head-to-head when its from Week 1.



And if I'm Duke. I'm throwing a fit.

Miami beat ND, you don’t get a bigger target than losing the head to head battle. This board would melt down if ND got in over NIU (if ranked the same as these two) and costing the MAC that kind of money.
I don't disagree.


It's essentially what happened to us. Only the committee chose the head-to-head. And not more impressive loss resume. We're Miami in this situation, only we got the ND treatment.
Question and I don’t know the answer to this. The Miami out because the H2H, do we win the tie breaker with Toledo?
I don't think so, but I don't have the stomach to go back and do the math lol
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Posted: 12/11/2025 12:59 PM
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When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Then the B10 tried to get Notre Dame when Penn State joined in the early 1990's. Notre Dame said no.
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Posted: 12/11/2025 1:41 PM
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When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Then the B10 tried to get Notre Dame when Penn State joined in the early 1990's. Notre Dame said no.


Well yeah, then ND was seen as valuable so of course. But they had still been rebuked thrice. If a girl turns me down three times to go to prom and then asks me to go when her date backs out last minute do I say yes?
Last Edited: 12/11/2025 1:42:06 PM by 5KMD
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Posted: 12/11/2025 10:27 PM
Solution: Notre Dame joins the MAC for full membership, all sports. With the additional overall revenue all current teams benefit, ND is pretty much guaranteed a conference championship so the invite to the championship tourney is locked, and Eastern Michigan can finally get folks in seats for football.
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Posted: 12/12/2025 12:20 AM
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Solution: Notre Dame joins the MAC for full membership, all sports. With the additional overall revenue all current teams benefit, ND is pretty much guaranteed a conference championship so the invite to the championship tourney is locked, and Eastern Michigan can finally get folks in seats for football.
I like this out-of-the-box thinking, dogface! I didn't realize that an Army guy could be so innovative. Oh, by the way, Go Navy!
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Posted: 12/12/2025 7:14 AM
A number of stories out here in NJ about the Giants going after ND's coach.
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Posted: 12/13/2025 2:32 PM
5KMD wrote:expand_more
When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.
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Posted: 12/13/2025 5:45 PM
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When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.
Exactly
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Posted: 12/15/2025 8:29 AM
Big Willy wrote:expand_more
When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.
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Posted: 12/15/2025 10:18 AM
5KMD wrote:expand_more
When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.


Give me a playoff with guaranteed conference champions all day.

Imagine Tuesday night MACtion with a CFP birth on the line.

CINEMA.
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Posted: 12/15/2025 10:26 AM
5KMD wrote:expand_more
When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.
How is being one of the "Top 5 Conference Champs" getting preferential treatment? They followed the rules the committee placed ahead of them. It's not their fault the ACC was a dumpster fire this season and couldn't get their conference champ a bid.
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Posted: 12/15/2025 2:02 PM
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When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.
How is being one of the "Top 5 Conference Champs" getting preferential treatment? They followed the rules the committee placed ahead of them. It's not their fault the ACC was a dumpster fire this season and couldn't get their conference champ a bid.

To each their own but starting next year Notre Dame getting in if they are in the top 12 will be "following the rules placed ahead of them" as well. Putting a conference champ in ranked well below several other deserving at large teams does nothing to determine who the true champion is. Just in my opinion of course.
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Posted: 12/15/2025 2:07 PM
5KMD wrote:expand_more
When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.
How is being one of the "Top 5 Conference Champs" getting preferential treatment? They followed the rules the committee placed ahead of them. It's not their fault the ACC was a dumpster fire this season and couldn't get their conference champ a bid.

To each their own but starting next year Notre Dame getting in if they are in the top 12 will be "following the rules placed ahead of them" as well. Putting a conference champ in ranked well below several other deserving at large teams does nothing to determine who the true champion is. Just in my opinion of course.
But such rankings are always subjective.
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Posted: 12/15/2025 2:28 PM
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When discussing Notre Dame, whatever the context, it is important to keep in mind that the University and its alumni command untold amounts of media clout, money, loyalty, political power, etc. Notre Dame will do what it wants, when it wants.

If anyone in the ACC, B1G, NCAA, BCS, CFP, etc. could do anything about this anomaly, they would have done it long ago.

Ironically it's the Big Ten that created the Notre Dame independence. ND has tried three times in the past to join Big Ten and Michigan's Fielding Yost squashed it every time. So then ND had to go nation wide to find games.

I'd be surprised if ND would try a fourth time with the Big Ten.
Are you talking about the 1920's? If so, they need to get over it. Notre Dame rejected the Big Ten in the 1990's. I'm glad they got left out, but next year they will get preferential treatment. If they don't like how they are being treated they should join a conference. I don't see why they should get preferential treatment.

JMU and Tulane are both getting preferential treatment this year. The committee should put the best 12 (or eventually 16, 24, whatever) teams in regardless of conference, gorup of 5, etc.
How is being one of the "Top 5 Conference Champs" getting preferential treatment? They followed the rules the committee placed ahead of them. It's not their fault the ACC was a dumpster fire this season and couldn't get their conference champ a bid.

To each their own but starting next year Notre Dame getting in if they are in the top 12 will be "following the rules placed ahead of them" as well. Putting a conference champ in ranked well below several other deserving at large teams does nothing to determine who the true champion is. Just in my opinion of course.
But such rankings are always subjective.

Sure, but that's all we have. At some point rank the teams and the top 12 regardless of anything else should go. That's not what's happening right now and it will lead to a less exciting playoff.
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