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Posted: 6/21/2024 7:14 AM
There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports.
The problem ?
Money, of course.
With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball
to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still
be able to fund non-revenue sports.

The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA
sports.

Its a good read.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 8:21 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports.
The problem ?
Money, of course.
With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball
to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still
be able to fund non-revenue sports.

The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA
sports.

Its a good read.
And something I have continually said is going to be a biproduct of the NIL, labor movement, paying of players. Time will tell.

And it's not hard to understand that the Olympics have been built off of non-revenue sports (what we call non-revenue in the U.S.).
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Posted: 6/21/2024 9:14 AM
Are there any other countries that rely on higher education to fund the development of Olympic athletes?
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Posted: 6/21/2024 12:42 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the full amateur requirements/compensation restrictions for athletes competing in Olympic sports initially eased in the early 1970s?

Compensation for Olympic sport athletes has continued to evolve. Prize money in the U.S. for earning medals is relatively small compared to things like NIL, but other compensation can reach six figures and more. I'm sure the NCAA will allow, if it hasn't already, NIL without restrictions for Olympic sports participants.

I think smaller colleges/universities with good weather for outdoor sports, outstanding facilities and excellent coaching might be able to compete quite well with larger institutions in earning NCAA championships and recruiting/retaining Olympic sport athletes.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 3:41 PM
Carl Lewis, Michael Phelps, Dan Jansen, Katie Ledecky and other stars all made a fortune in appearance fees at meets. If a school can capitalize on their attendance (and they can) - they will now be additionally compensated via NIL. And like any sport - the stars will make much more than the others.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 4:59 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article by CL Brown of the Louisville Courier Journal (google his name, its comes up) about the possible demise of certain Olympic Sports.
The problem ?
Money, of course.
With the migration of Big Time college sports, especially football and basketball
to a pro-like model, athletic departments are going to be hard pressed to still
be able to fund non-revenue sports.

The article points out how many Olympic Athletes come from non revenue NCAA
sports.

Its a good read.
Revenue or profit sports? If it's the latter, all sports at MAC schools are non-revenue.
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Posted: 6/21/2024 6:32 PM
Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports.
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:19 PM
The NCAA proposal is a cap on player spending equal to a percentage of the power conference budgets. Spending cap I believe is going to be against the sum total of institutional and NIL money. But the power conference teams have a lot more sports and athletes than do the smaller conferences. The cuts could be a combination of sports and/or roster sizes. Football is a prime target with the most athletes and practice squads ballooning to 120-130. Then football will have the highest market demand generally for payments.

Its the third inning on all of this. Alston case was inning 1. NIL collectives inning 2. NIL settlement was inning 3. Roster adjustments to support the settlement are probably next. Its going to be a few years before its fully fleshed out what it will mean for MAC athletics. Pay could go in the direction of the UFC where players earn "performance bonuses". Salaries will stop the transfer flow of players moving down even being on the bench at a power school.
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Posted: 6/22/2024 7:33 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports.
There is Title IX so I don't think Olympic sports are going away. It may be scholarships are going away with all the student athletes making minimum wage and taking out student loans like everyone else. Having 5 swimmers on scholarship with 10 non-scholarship swimmers could be replaced by 12 paid swimmers.

I'm optimistic because if they cut rosters its going to trickle more talent down to the MAC.
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Posted: 6/24/2024 12:07 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
Most athletic directors are probably looking forward to the day they don't have to pretend to care about "Olympic" sports.
There is Title IX so I don't think Olympic sports are going away. It may be scholarships are going away with all the student athletes making minimum wage and taking out student loans like everyone else. Having 5 swimmers on scholarship with 10 non-scholarship swimmers could be replaced by 12 paid swimmers.

I'm optimistic because if they cut rosters its going to trickle more talent down to the MAC.
Title IX will be open for interpretation with this SCoTUS
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Posted: 7/1/2024 5:50 AM
If you follow the Geopolitical model, I doubt that most of the rest of the World will care about Olympic Sports, let alone be able to support it. The United States is the only real place that not only has all the Natural Resources that it needs, but the population too. I don't see the NIL changes having any negative impact on the United States being able to compete Internationally down the road.
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Posted: 7/1/2024 11:15 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
If you follow the Geopolitical model, I doubt that most of the rest of the World will care about Olympic Sports, let alone be able to support it. The United States is the only real place that not only has all the Natural Resources that it needs, but the population too. I don't see the NIL changes having any negative impact on the United States being able to compete Internationally down the road.
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Posted: 7/2/2024 10:52 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
According to one prominent commencement speaker, we should only focus on men’s sports, women need to focus on having kids.
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Posted: 10/11/2024 10:58 PM
All sports could be revenue sports with the correct marketing and management

Many have long believed women's sports couldn't make money but that is clearly changing. It is all how it is marketed
I've seen crazier things happen.
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Posted: 10/16/2024 6:04 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
All sports could be revenue sports with the correct marketing and management

Many have long believed women's sports couldn't make money but that is clearly changing. It is all how it is marketed
You got a marketing plan you can give the department. A being a revenue sport doesn’t mean you are profitable. You could possibly start a consulting business was and help these programs build revenue and then other schools would hire you and, you could be the next Chad Estis.
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Posted: 10/28/2024 8:35 AM
If a "Non-revenue" sport ceases to be a varsity sport, that doesn't mean that it needs to cease to exist. It can continue, and become a club sport. I participated in a club sport, and you still compete with other schools. There are two main differences. The first is that no one is on scholarship because of athletic ability, though players can still receive needs-based scholarships, or academic scholarships. The second is that the players in the club have ongoing fund-raising activity. They can sell items, do car-washes, or whatever. They can sell tickets to the competition, as well, and the revenue goes to the club.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if all sports ended up being club sports, but that will never happen because there is too much money involved.
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Posted: 11/3/2024 12:32 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
If a "Non-revenue" sport ceases to be a varsity sport, that doesn't mean that it needs to cease to exist. It can continue, and become a club sport. I participated in a club sport, and you still compete with other schools. There are two main differences. The first is that no one is on scholarship because of athletic ability, though players can still receive needs-based scholarships, or academic scholarships. The second is that the players in the club have ongoing fund-raising activity. They can sell items, do car-washes, or whatever. They can sell tickets to the competition, as well, and the revenue goes to the club.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings if all sports ended up being club sports, but that will never happen because there is too much money involved.
Ohio's ice hockey team is a club sport and appears to be doing well, although they have been forced to cancel or relocate some of their games in 2024 because of the temporary closure of Bird Arena until Jan 2025.
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Posted: 12/26/2024 5:07 PM
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It is the production of revenue that has enabled the D1 football players (about 18,518 in FBS and 14,837 in FCS) to become the main beneficiaries of the revenue sharing terms of the proposed settlement. That is because the federal court certified certain classes of athletes who represent the interests of all D1 college athletes in the certified class. Similarly, men’s D1 basketball players (about 5,607 athletes) are part of the certified class; and women’s D1 basketball players (about 5,048 athletes) constitute another certified class. Yet, possibly as many as 25,000 nonrevenue sport D1 athletes will more than miss out on NIL revenue sharing, these two-percenter elite athletes are being unceremoniously ousted from their college rosters by the roster caps imposed under the proposed settlement. This predicament for such a large quantity of elite D1 athletes illustrates a distasteful and unintended negative consequence of the proposed settlement.

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The 3 sports considered a certified class in the house settlement; football, men's basketball and women's basketball.
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Posted: 12/28/2024 10:55 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Are there any other countries that rely on higher education to fund the development of Olympic athletes?
Are there any other countries that rely on educational institutions in general to fund the development of athletes?
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