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I was watching the game with my three granddaughters all of whom play competitive sports and are 13, 11 and 8. Their comment - "that wasn't very nice." As a former high school varsity volleyball and track coach and now an out of retirement youth volleyball coach, I'm afraid that if one of our players had pulled that stunt, she'd be walking home after the game. And sadly as so often happens, this has now turned into a racial issue. Back to Top Cellis033 General User Member Since: 11/11/2021 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 1,575 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 10:14:21 AM  Alan Swank wrote: As I'm sure many if not all of you have seen, near the end of last night's national championship game, there was an interesting interaction between the star players on each team. I was watching the game with my three granddaughters all of whom play competitive sports and are 13, 11 and 8. Their comment - "that wasn't very nice." As a former high school varsity volleyball and track coach and now an out of retirement youth volleyball coach, I'm afraid that if one of our players had pulled that stunt, she'd be walking home after the game. And sadly as so often happens, this has now turned into a racial issue. I'm seeing this this becoming more of a prevalent conversation in sports. My personal opinion - I don't have a problem with it if you are a good player / can back it up but if you are a below average player it's disrespectful. Bat flips / taunting has become a bit more common in MLB - I was taught growing up / playing baseball to not do that or you are asking to get thrown at. Towns got a tech this season for taunting our bench at BG. There should be consequences at times for showboating / taunting but I can also see how it encourages poor sportsmanship. Chase OU Engineering Technology and Management '24 Honda of America Assembly Equipment Engineer Muck Fiami Kant read, Kant write Bowling Green Normie School what even is Kron's mascot Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 10:14:32 AM  Clark has been known to talk trash herself but I think the big problem was the timing of it. Your team just won a national championship and instead of celebrating with your teammates and focusing on your team's accomplishments you decide to mock your opponent. Similar thing happened to my son's high school a few years back. We lost the Regional championship on a shot in the last minute by the other team's best player and when the game ended the team dogpiled at center court in a big celebration. The player that hit the big shot (now starting at a D1 school) decided instead of joining his teammates in the big joyous dogpile he jumped up on the scorer's table and taunted our fans for a good couple of minutes. Per the usual he went off in the post-game interview about how nobody respected them and gave them no chance to be there when, in fact, they were considered heavy favorites all season to win the county and were huge favorites in the game. I think public perception will vary greatly by age group and probably along racial lines. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,432 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 10:29:54 AM  I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 11:04:12 AM  Women's college basketball has grown quite a bit in popularity and media coverage the last 5-10 years. I don't think the players have adapted accordingly to being role models for young girls. Anyone involved in youth sports will tell you young girls look up to these athletes as role models and will imitate what they see on TV. D-1 college basketball is no-longer an amateur endeavor. These athletes should be held to a higher standard. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 989 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 11:09:16 AM  shabamon wrote: I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. Yeah I thought that was very strange as well. Still trying to wrap my head around why Reese would be so offended that Clark supposedly disrespected some other team? I'm actually not buying it tbh. Seems like Reese genuinely hates Clark and was using that strange South Carolina reference as a cover up. Jealous much? The whole situation is unfortunate because its shifting the spot light from the massive (record breaking?) success the women's tournament and final four brought this year. Last Edited: 4/3/2023 11:10:07 AM by spongeBOB CATpants Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 11:36:49 AM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: shabamon wrote: I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. Yeah I thought that was very strange as well. Still trying to wrap my head around why Reese would be so offended that Clark supposedly disrespected some other team? I'm actually not buying it tbh. Seems like Reese genuinely hates Clark and was using that strange South Carolina reference as a cover up. Jealous much? The whole situation is unfortunate because its shifting the spot light from the massive (record breaking?) success the women's tournament and final four brought this year. There's a very good article by Nancy Armour of USA Today about women's basketball, including "trash talking" and arguing with refs. I couldn't get the article to "link". But if you "google" her name, its there. LSU's coach made some "unusual" comments about her team after the game. I didn't hear them all. But, according to WFAN ,she talked about her players having "personalities". They felt she was legitimizing the comments made by Angel Reese. Even Reese's comments about "not fitting the narrative" from someone whose team just won the National Championship ,seemed a bit "out of place". Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,875 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 11:48:35 AM  OUVan wrote: Similar thing happened to my son's high school a few years back. We lost the Regional championship on a shot in the last minute by the other team's best player and when the game ended the team dogpiled at center court in a big celebration. The player that hit the big shot (now starting at a D1 school) decided instead of joining his teammates in the big joyous dogpile he jumped up on the scorer's table and taunted our fans for a good couple of minutes. Per the usual he went off in the post-game interview about how nobody respected them and gave them no chance to be there when, in fact, they were considered heavy favorites all season to win the county and were huge favorites in the game. #1 I am disappointed you didn't name names with the D1 starter here...let's hear it. #2 I remember hearing about your son playing at an elite level, has he ended up playing in college anywhere? Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,875 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 11:56:22 AM  I don't have a huge deal with the antics and I am generally pretty loose with trash talking and appreciate a good bat flip from time to time. But as usual with almost anything these days, many are failing to see the nuance here. The comparisons of Clark trash talking and what Reese did are completely ridiculous and a huge stretch. Flashing a 3 finger or a "can't see me" thing for 2 seconds as you run down the court after winning a battle is NOT on the same level of stalking someone around the court as the buzzer sounds. And her comments that we don't say anything when white girls do it...that really pisses me off. Give me a break. Also - To the point OUV made in his story, nowadays they hear one broadcaster predict the other team to win and it's "nobody respected us, we shocked you all, what are you gonna say now." That narrative is getting tiresome too. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,797 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:05:21 PM  Where was the national outrage when the white player did this? Yeah, I said it, just another example of complexion saves! Ask our own players and alumni on this subject, there are different standards of expectations on players of color. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,875 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:10:13 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Where was the national outrage when the white player did this? Yeah, I said it, just another example of complexion saves! Ask our own players and alumni on this subject, there are different standards of expectations on players of color. What instance are you referring to? And was the game anywhere near the level of importance & exposure? Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,073 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:19:36 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Where was the national outrage when the white player did this? Yeah, I said it, just another example of complexion saves! Ask our own players and alumni on this subject, there are different standards of expectations on players of color. Very few people saw the "action" in the Louisville game. Millions saw it in the championship game and as someone posted, one was in passing and one was a continual circling action at mid-court at the end of the game. Am I excusing one and not the other? Absolutely not. I'm not a fan of any of it. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:34:36 PM  rpbobcat wrote: spongeBOB CATpants wrote: shabamon wrote: I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. Yeah I thought that was very strange as well. Still trying to wrap my head around why Reese would be so offended that Clark supposedly disrespected some other team? I'm actually not buying it tbh. Seems like Reese genuinely hates Clark and was using that strange South Carolina reference as a cover up. Jealous much? The whole situation is unfortunate because its shifting the spot light from the massive (record breaking?) success the women's tournament and final four brought this year. There's a very good article by Nancy Armour of USA Today about women's basketball, including "trash talking" and arguing with refs. I couldn't get the article to "link". But if you "google" her name, its there. LSU's coach made some "unusual" comments about her team after the game. I didn't hear them all. But, according to WFAN ,she talked about her players having "personalities". They felt she was legitimizing the comments made by Angel Reese. Even Reese's comments about "not fitting the narrative" from someone whose team just won the National Championship ,seemed a bit "out of place". Here's the article link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-arm... / I don't have the whole interview with Miss Reese, but I'll say that the comments she made don't paint a very mature picture. Maybe there's something I'm missing, maybe that's an accurate picture. I will say something about the officiating: I didn't watch this LSU vs Iowa game at all, so I can't comment on that game. I did watch all of the Iowa vs SC game. And in that game, I thought the officiating was pretty bad. Bad in the sense that they let way too much contact happen from the get-go, and missed several obvious fouls. But I don't think in any way that it was slanted or anything like that. I did think that one team did a lot more complaining about the officiating, which could have affected their game at some point. I agree with Nancy's point of view in the column that it's possible that officials in the women's game need to get used to this kind of attention, because women's hoops is growing. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:44:43 PM  OU_Country wrote: I don't have the whole interview with Miss Reese, but I'll say that the comments she made don't paint a very mature picture. Maybe there's something I'm missing, maybe that's an accurate picture. I will say something about the officiating: I didn't watch this LSU vs Iowa game at all, so I can't comment on that game. I did watch all of the Iowa vs SC game. And in that game, I thought the officiating was pretty bad. Bad in the sense that they let way too much contact happen from the get-go, and missed several obvious fouls. But I don't think in any way that it was slanted or anything like that. I did think that one team did a lot more complaining about the officiating, which could have affected their game at some point. I agree with Nancy's point of view in the column that it's possible that officials in the women's game need to get used to this kind of attention, because women's hoops is growing. Fox Sports referred to the game as "oddly officiated". On another note: Seems odd that almost 24 hours after the game, LSU hasn't said why they missed the National Anthem. Did not go over well, even with LSU fans. Last Edited: 4/3/2023 12:44:58 PM by rpbobcat Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:53:13 PM  Officiating controversies is a sign women's hoops has made it. It's not a real championship game if someone isn't upset about the refs! I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,343 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 12:55:09 PM  The Optimist wrote: Officiating controversies is a sign women's hoops has made it. It's not a real championship game if someone isn't upset about the refs! I'm not sure I agree with that, but the fact that it's a notable conversation being had probably is a good sign for the game. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,794 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 1:45:08 PM  The fact we are so focused on the sportsmanship (which I get to an extent) over the officiating for a game of this caliber is absurd. The officiating is what should be discussed. Make no mistake, LSU had a day, but good lord, Mulkey should have been tossed multiple times and these referees interjected themselves into a game that shouldn't have been the case. Back to Top mid70sbobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 676 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 1:48:59 PM  shabamon wrote: I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. +1. Exactly. Reese said Clark "disrespected" South Carolina's freshman guard. The reality was Iowa saying "if you're gonna beat us you gotta hit 3's". Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 989 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 2:54:59 PM  Alan Swank wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Where was the national outrage when the white player did this? Yeah, I said it, just another example of complexion saves! Ask our own players and alumni on this subject, there are different standards of expectations on players of color. Very few people saw the "action" in the Louisville game. Millions saw it in the championship game and as someone posted, one was in passing and one was a continual circling action at mid-court at the end of the game. Am I excusing one and not the other? Absolutely not. I'm not a fan of any of it. Yeah the original act by Clark during the Louisville game is nothing near what Reese pulled and hammered home during interviews and social media posts. Even so, I guarantee Clark made some enemies out of the Cardinal fanbase that day. The race card getting pulled into this simply ridiculous but not surprising. Reese's actions are so obviously different that I question the comprehension skills of anybody who brings the narrative back to "but Caitlin did it too..." Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,260 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 3:50:58 PM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: shabamon wrote: I think it's really odd and juvenile for LSU to get offended at some things that happened in games they weren't part of. They took offense to Iowa not guarding South Carolina on the arc and daring them to shoot threes and mid range. So what? That was part of the scout and it worked. Yeah I thought that was very strange as well. Still trying to wrap my head around why Reese would be so offended that Clark supposedly disrespected some other team? I'm actually not buying it tbh. Seems like Reese genuinely hates Clark and was using that strange South Carolina reference as a cover up. Jealous much? That's the vibe I got - before AND after the game. Reese basically stalking Clark all over the floor, and taunting her when she wasn't even looking was odd to say the least. Reese is a great player, but pretty clear jealousy she wasn't getting the same hype Clark was getting leading up to the game and lost HER composure despite the win. I watched, because they were both hyped players and teams - but after they made it all about the taunting and it really took away from game itself. Back to Top longtiimelurker General User Member Since: 2/2/2017 Post Count: 587 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/3/2023 6:33:57 PM  Bottom line. It is all about race. Her perceptions, beliefs and everything she communicated was all about race. Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,041 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/4/2023 7:36:40 AM  Could be a publicity stunt by the WNBA. NBA got a real boost from the Magic/Bird rivalry back in the day. Though this stunt would give the WNBA a bit of Pro-Wrestling flavor. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/4/2023 9:31:54 AM  MonroeClassmate wrote: Though this stunt would give the WNBA a bit of Pro-Wrestling flavor. Speaking of Pro-Wrestling flavor: Jill Biden wants both LSU and Iowa to attend the White Ceremony. Angel Reese called the suggestion "a joke". Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,018 Status: Online     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/4/2023 10:08:13 AM  Congrats LSU. You played out of your minds well. Of course, the other side to that story is.... You ruined the opportunity at the largest audience for a womens bball game ever to keep or build on it. I tuned in to watch Caitlyn Clark and a plucky Iowa team against a highly ranked and athletic LSU team. After the SC win and Clark's gaudy numbers, many of us were interested in seeing just how good these ladies were. What did I learn? 1) Caitlyn Clark is the real deal. Best individual college player I can remember in a LONG time. She's so exciting to watch because you literally never know what you're about to see next. Elite talent. Must watch TV, which after this sentence I've said 1 times about women's basketball. 2) Women's officiating is TURRIBLE. Like bad. Like really bad. Either they wanted to capitalize on the eyeballs watching to get their 5 minutes of fame, or they have not grasped the speed/pace/athleticism of the players in a game like that. This isn't 7th grade for crying out loud. 3) LSU may never miss another shot. Eyes closed, no look, hook shot from 3? Sure - why not. 4) LSU had more weapons than Iowa. 5) I have no problem with trash talking. I have no problem with competitiveness. What I do have a problem with is taunting. Especially after the game has been decided. And double especially when you have to chase your opponent across the floor in a feeble attempt at drawing attention to yourself (she succeeded there) instead of your team, when you're obviously jealous. It's not a good look. It's called class. Look it up in a dictionary. LSU has none - and that includes their wackadoo coaches who accept this abhorrent behavior and shrug it off as "characters". That's not a character, that's disgusting behavior. And you should be ashamed. There's another word to look up in the dictionary since you likely have none of that either. Cool look on the brightest stage of all time (sarcasm). Moral of the story? I'll tune in to watch Caitlyn Clark any day of the week. The rest of that crap show? No thanks, I'll continue to pass. And that's the opportunity their childish antics just cost them. Back to Top Mike Coleman Administrator Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Near the Pristine Sandy Shores of Lake Erie, OH Post Count: 1,392 Status: Offline     RE: Sportsmanship    Posted: 4/4/2023 10:31:47 AM  I think the "should celebrate with your teammates" take is interesting. I've always believed in that, but I wonder if we will see less and less of that because of the portal. Let's face it, LSU brought in that entire roster...only one player returned. Many, if not all, are making NIL $. Seems like there is, and will continue to be, less of a bond to school and teammates, and we will see more pro-style taunting because the players are basically pros. I've heard Reese makes quite a bit of change from her NIL. Also, Reese came from Maryland, so I'm sure she has plenty of history with Clark from time in the BIG. Clark is amazing, but are pull-up 35-footers really good for the game like some imply? Also, a note, people keep saying this was at the end of the game and Reese stalked Clark. I don't believe that is accurate. There were 53.7 seconds left and players were standing around for a free throw IIRC. Not that it makes it better or worse, but this was not at games end (the game was decided though). Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 68 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 214 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 210 Guests 4 Registered Users:   CatFud, Deciduous Forest Cat, GraffZ06, Ted Thompson There are no other users looking at this page.

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