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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 9:52:43 PM 
Ok, I'm on record now, just as I was with Wojo in '08:

This is not about morality, right/wrong, or anything else. College basketball, Merl Code, TJ Gassnola, and others have disposed of those ideals. We need to play ball in this new reality.

This is about putting a spark into a program that desperately needs one. This is about buying low and selling high. This is about a guy that really knows how to coach basketball and needs a 3rd or 4th chance to finish his career on positive terms.

We need butts in seats in the Convo next year. Not a bunch of hopes and dreams from 3,500 people in Meigs, Hocking, and Athens County. We need people making the trip from Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati to be a part of an electric atmosphere. We need a splash on the sports (home) pages across the country. Ryan

I said 100x about TOS back in the day - A monkey can win 20 games at Ohio. A coach like Rick Pitino - like him or not - but that guy can win big in Athens (or wherever else he gets his next gig).

Once and for all - he would be my first call. Again, I would probably hold my nose while making the call, and I have no idea if he would pickup - BUT - His price tag is depressed, He's a great basketball coach, He can recruit (maybe too well), He can assemble a staff, He will put A LOT of people in the seats, He will generate a ton of revenue, and He needs a second chance.

Tell me where the equation departs the real world.

I buy low and I sell high. Maybe that makes me crazy, but in this case - I think it makes me the sanest guy in the room.

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Maddog13
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 9:55:03 PM 
Agreed. Pitino it should be.
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ohio9704
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 9:55:19 PM 
He is a scumbag, no thank you! I dont need to win that bad. Plus, he will have a high major job by April/May.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 10:06:56 PM 
Even if I believed that Pitino had no knowledge about what some of his assistants were doing at Louisville, and I wanted Pitino here, I think this would be a huge waste of time. I get it... we're looking for the Solich effect that we got for football. But I don't see it. Pitino is not a small town guy. I'm not saying this isn't an intriguing thought and fun message board fodder, but I'm saying any legitimate time spent going after Pitino is time much better spent going after a legitimate candidate. I used to be one of the biggest Pitino honks out there. He's Paisan! and he cleaned up a real mess at Kentucky and actually make me like them. (Kentucky! and I hate red states!) I want to win again, and soon. But it would look bad. it looks like selling our souls.
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lovebobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 10:09:06 PM 
Yeah, I'm sure Pitino will be on the first flight to Athens, Ohio.

Oh, and Urban Meyer will come out of retirement to coach our football squad...
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shabamon
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 10:13:31 PM 
Love, put aside his steadiness, Rick Pitino would be a carpetbagger in Athens and we all know how you feel about carpetbaggers.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/19/2019 10:15:42 PM 
To add to another point, or really to ask this as a legitimate question... you're right Pitino's price is certainly lower than it once was...

... but undoubtedly so is his cachet. He can obviously coach, but what will his effect be on recruiting now that he's damaged goods?

Last Edited: 2/21/2019 10:02:10 AM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 9:21:59 AM 
I prefer a coach who doesn't bribe players with cash and prostitutes. Maybe that makes me a fuddy duddy or throwback kind of guy?

Andrew Ruck
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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:00:03 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
I prefer a coach who doesn't bribe players with cash and prostitutes. Maybe that makes me a fuddy duddy or throwback kind of guy?


It does in today's college basketball landscape. Reference = Any college basketball headline + Adidas in the Summer of 2018.

Also, who'd you vote for in the '16 Presidential election?

Let's not all get a bunch of phony baloney, self righteous, holier-than-thou crap going up in here.

As far as Carpetbagging, if the guy put 10k asses in seats every night - I'd let it go this one time.
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Pataskala
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:09:22 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:


As far as Carpetbagging, if the guy put 10k asses in seats every night - I'd let it go this one time.


Most of that 10,000 would likely be NCAA investigators.

Now if you want to just put butts in the seats, Robert Montgomery Knight would put on a show. Without the NCAA baggage. Might even get Vitale to come in for a broadcast.

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bobcatsquared
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:10:39 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
Now if you want to just put butts in the seats, Robert Montgomery Knight would put on a show. Without the NCAA baggage. Might even get Vitale to come in for a broadcast.


May I suggest you check out ESPN's 30-for-30 "A Day in the Knight".

Neither one is going to materialize, but I would be more in favor of hiring Pitino than Knight. And I have zero interest in Pitino.

Last Edited: 2/20/2019 10:12:34 AM by bobcatsquared
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:11:16 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Also, who'd you vote for in the '16 Presidential election?

Let's not all get a bunch of phony baloney, self righteous, holier-than-thou crap going up in here.


Gary Johnson. Why?

I'm not sure what is phony baloney self-righteous about not wanting a coach who doesn't have a problem initiating cash payments and prostitutes? So because I have a moral standard of who I want leading the program I support, I'm just self-righteous? What if I said I prefer to not have a rapist as coach? Murderer? Where is that line acceptable for you?

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Buck.Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:20:34 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:

Also, who'd you vote for in the '16 Presidential election?


And scene.
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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:26:01 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
Also, who'd you vote for in the '16 Presidential election?

Let's not all get a bunch of phony baloney, self righteous, holier-than-thou crap going up in here.


Gary Johnson. Why?

I'm not sure what is phony baloney self-righteous about not wanting a coach who doesn't have a problem initiating cash payments and prostitutes? So because I have a moral standard of who I want leading the program I support, I'm just self-righteous? What if I said I prefer to not have a rapist as coach? Murderer? Where is that line acceptable for you?


Ok, we are off the rails. Here we go with Infowars Alex Jones on Bobcatattack. False parallels to the moon and back. Like when Arkley says we should get Bellichek for our football coach....wonderful.

Let's clear it up: A murderer or rapist would theoretically be in jail and a threat to society. That would be a no go. A coach with a shady recruiting past is neither a felon or a threat to society. That would warrant a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance based on pure coaching resume IMO.

Good god we have some small minded folk on here. Glad some things never change.
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bobcatsquared
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 10:42:37 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Good god we have some small minded folk on here. Glad some things never change.


On behalf of all the small minded folks on here, welcome back. Not sure how we survived all these years w/o you.
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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 11:21:02 AM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
Let's clear it up: A murderer or rapist would theoretically be in jail and a threat to society. That would be a no go. A coach with a shady recruiting past is neither a felon or a threat to society. That would warrant a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance based on pure coaching resume IMO.


I realize that, my point is everyone has a line for what they view as acceptable. He has proven to not follow rules that govern the game. Is it really that unreasonable for that to be a concern?

You can try all you want to do what you always do and steer this to a political and theological debate but that really has nothing to do with any of this. You can act like it is the "small minded people" here that are the reason you can't stick around here for longer than a day every few months, but the clear truth is it because you are incapable of carrying on a healthy dialogue with someone you disagree with.

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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 11:31:16 AM 
Andrew: When one person has utter contempt for the other, it's really hard to have a dialogue. A dialogue has to start with at least a modicum of mutual respect, not utter disdain.

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:03:33 PM 
I don't really care about the baggage.

But we can't afford Pitino, he doesn't have any interest in coming here, just like Wojo didn't have any interest in coming here.

I think a lot of folks here are in for a pretty serious surprise about the state of the program if names like Rick Pitino and Thad Matta are gonna keep getting thrown around.

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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:22:24 PM 
How do you know what the market is for Pitino? Appears he was in talks with UNLV which are falling apart due to the higher ups being scared off by his past, and him not wanting to replace Marvin Menzies (his old Asst).

I'd say the market dynamics dictate his price and right now he's turned in a Greek Championship with a middle of the road team that he inherited mid-season, and seems to be untouchable by a higher mid-major.

Frankly, the facts (sorry for using them) say he's right in our market right now.
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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:26:35 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Andrew: When one person has utter contempt for the other, it's really hard to have a dialogue. A dialogue has to start with at least a modicum of mutual respect, not utter disdain.


Wow, cool to take shots at me. 9,600+ posts on here from you and countless hours wasted. I haven't seen one good piece of content in ages. All I see from you is a bunch of historical drivel that nobody reads + demands for free shuttle rides at Ohio sponsored events. Very VERY little insightful commentary or out-of-the-box thinking, and you aren't moving the needle in the right direction. Onward....
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:40:22 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
How do you know what the market is for Pitino? Appears he was in talks with UNLV which are falling apart due to the higher ups being scared off by his past, and him not wanting to replace Marvin Menzies (his old Asst).

I'd say the market dynamics dictate his price and right now he's turned in a Greek Championship with a middle of the road team that he inherited mid-season, and seems to be untouchable by a higher mid-major.

Frankly, the facts (sorry for using them) say he's right in our market right now.


Which market dynamic dictates that it talks fall apart for a job that pays ~1,000,000 annually you turn around and take one for half of that? That he's in consideration for the UNLV job tells you, roughly, what the market is. And UNLV offers a bigger budget, media market, and a better conference. He'll be considered for more UNLV level jobs, which is exactly why Ohio isnt a real possibility.

We're so oblivious as a fan base it's hilarious. That you think your seven year old Wojo idea somehow lends you credibility here is super telling. Dude went from Duke to Marquette directly and is paid 1.2 million a year, and you're still convinced he was a real possibility in Athens and are simultaneously lecturing about market dynamics as if everything you say isn't evidence you completely misunderstand them.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:51:58 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Bobcat Love wrote:
How do you know what the market is for Pitino? Appears he was in talks with UNLV which are falling apart due to the higher ups being scared off by his past, and him not wanting to replace Marvin Menzies (his old Asst).

I'd say the market dynamics dictate his price and right now he's turned in a Greek Championship with a middle of the road team that he inherited mid-season, and seems to be untouchable by a higher mid-major.

Frankly, the facts (sorry for using them) say he's right in our market right now.


Which market dynamic dictates that it talks fall apart for a job that pays ~1,000,000 annually you turn around and take one for half of that? That he's in consideration for the UNLV job tells you, roughly, what the market is. And UNLV offers a bigger budget, media market, and a better conference. He'll be considered for more UNLV level jobs, which is exactly why Ohio isnt a real possibility.

We're so oblivious as a fan base it's hilarious. That you think your seven year old Wojo idea somehow lends you credibility here is super telling. Dude went from Duke to Marquette directly and is paid 1.2 million a year, and you're still convinced he was a real possibility in Athens and are simultaneously lecturing about market dynamics as if everything you say isn't evidence you completely misunderstand them.



In 2004 how many people would anyone here believed if they were told Frank Solich would coach the football program? Just sayin'
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Bobcat Love
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 12:53:27 PM 
First off, who are you again?

Second, didn't you suggest Ohio as a jumping off point for the Sean Miller redemption tour? WTF. Also, you keep pimping Dustin Ford. I love the guy but he's not exactly a hot commodity based on wins and losses the past 6+ years. Also, didn't you throw out a Marquette Assistant as an option? So I'm an idiot saying Wojo should get a call from Ohio SEVEN years ago, but you are a bona fide genius thinking their Assistant will leave for Ohio now? Again, why I don't post anymore....

Third, if UNLV is a no go for Pitino, that tells me where the bar is set. He's not getting a better job than that. So what is just beneath UNLV and how far below THAT are we? Richmond? Is the gap that distinct? Also, everyone keeps jockeying about money. How do you know money is the driver for him at this stage in his career?

Grab one of these crap assistants, and my courtside seats will be un-purchased and un-used again - as will the other 10,000 seats that will have no ass marks in them the entire year. Time to make a splash and spark this thing....
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 1:01:57 PM 
Pitino and UNLV is a match made in heaven. It doesn't get any better than that.

I can one up LOVE's Wojo call by taking credit as the first to suggest Groce for the Ohio job back in 2008. And I'm telling you, while he may just be a "crap assistant," Tom Ostrom is the guy to get things back on track this time around.

Last Edited: 2/20/2019 1:02:38 PM by Flomo-genized
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  Message Not Read  RE: Pitino
   Posted: 2/20/2019 1:07:49 PM 
Bobcat Love wrote:
First off, who are you again?

Second, didn't you suggest Ohio as a jumping off point for the Sean Miller redemption tour? WTF. Also, you keep pimping Dustin Ford. I love the guy but he's not exactly a hot commodity based on wins and losses the past 6+ years. Also, didn't you throw out a Marquette Assistant as an option? So I'm an idiot saying Wojo should get a call from Ohio SEVEN years ago, but you are a bona fide genius thinking their Assistant will leave for Ohio now? Again, why I don't post anymore....

Third, if UNLV is a no go for Pitino, that tells me where the bar is set. He's not getting a better job than that. So what is just beneath UNLV and how far below THAT are we? Richmond? Is the gap that distinct? Also, everyone keeps jockeying about money. How do you know money is the driver for him at this stage in his career?

Grab one of these crap assistants, and my courtside seats will be un-purchased and un-used again - as will the other 10,000 seats that will have no ass marks in them the entire year. Time to make a splash and spark this thing....



It won't happen - but, I'm 100% with Love on at least making the attempt. Our program is as moribund as it's ever been right now. A splash hire - and this would certainly be one - is needed. It's time to blow the whole thing up and do something radical.

Nevertheless, I know enough about the players involved (Nellis, Schaus) to realize that the hire will likely be less than inspiring.
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