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   Posted: 1/20/2019 12:53:43 PM 
I suppose one could argue that UCONN football could be in the red, but for 8 Million, not to mention the storied men's and women's program losing millions each year? THE AD for the Huskies is contemplating cutting various sports programs. I know we have talked at great lengths about cultural changes involving sports attendance, but this is more than a little eye opening!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25...
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   Posted: 1/20/2019 1:06:21 PM 
https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc...

This story says they are on the hook for Kevin Ollie and Geno Auriema for 32M in salaries.

As we’ve discussed before, there are a handful of programs that really make money overall. The danger is paying when you’re not in that league.
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   Posted: 1/20/2019 1:53:44 PM 
I think schools like Ohio should retain athletic scholarships, but other than that, I think there would be a lot of merit in adopting elements of a Div III model. Elite upper level Div I programs that have the money can work with young people who aspire to be professional athletes. For the rest of the schools....we need to pull the plug on this insane athletic arms race. Look at Western Michigan...made it to the Cotton Bowl a few years ago and only lost by 8 to Wisconsin...now look at their subpar attendance, etc. MAC schools cant afford these supposed "investments"...there may be some collateral benefits in terms of enrollment but even that's questionable.

Look how many sports most Div III schools offer....more than most MAC schools. And I believe the athletes probably have more fun, although I cant personally attest to that. Less pressure, etc. And coaches would be looked at more like faculty, teach classes, do other things at the university. Put an end to this insane coaching carousel. Coaches doing a good job of running a quality program would no longer be fired for a couple of losing seasons. The trade off would be lower salaries.

We would still play competitive schedules, have fun as fans, have winning seasons from time to time, etc.

I know many of you guys vehemently disagree with me, but I'm sorry guys, I no longer have the fire in the belly for this unsustainable system.

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   Posted: 1/20/2019 2:18:00 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think schools like Ohio should retain athletic scholarships, but other than that, I think there would be a lot of merit in adopting elements of a Div III model. Elite upper level Div I programs that have the money can work with young people who aspire to be professional athletes. For the rest of the schools....we need to pull the plug on this insane athletic arms race. Look at Western Michigan...made it to the Cotton Bowl a few years ago and only lost by 8 to Wisconsin...now look at their subpar attendance, etc. MAC schools cant afford these supposed "investments"...there may be some collateral benefits in terms of enrollment but even that's questionable.

Look how many sports most Div III schools offer....more than most MAC schools. And I believe the athletes probably have more fun, although I cant personally attest to that. Less pressure, etc. And coaches would be looked at more like faculty, teach classes, do other things at the university. Put an end to this insane coaching carousel. Coaches doing a good job of running a quality program would no longer be fired for a couple of losing seasons. The trade off would be lower salaries.

We would still play competitive schedules, have fun as fans, have winning seasons from time to time, etc.

I know many of you guys vehemently disagree with me, but I'm sorry guys, I no longer have the fire in the belly for this unsustainable system.


I remember a few years ago when Kirby was treated like the devil incarnate because he cut programs. Sadly maybe that should be done again. Play all the sports that can Reasonably be done at the club level. Ice hockey seems to be doing quite well, but I have no idea how much if any support the U gives for that, but why not look at it.
The MAC should probably cut the number of required varsity sports. This model isn’t working.

We haven’t really been caught up with many G-5 leagues in terms of salaries, but when Frank and his seemingly captive coaches leave, one wonders where we’re go.
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   Posted: 1/20/2019 3:34:05 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
I suppose one could argue that UCONN football could be in the red, but for 8 Million, not to mention the storied men's and women's program losing millions each year? THE AD for the Huskies is contemplating cutting various sports programs. I know we have talked at great lengths about cultural changes involving sports attendance, but this is more than a little eye opening!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25...


Well, when you sign coach contracts with BCS money and it goes away, you will have a huge deficit.
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   Posted: 1/20/2019 3:34:24 PM 
bn9 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
I suppose one could argue that UCONN football could be in the red, but for 8 Million, not to mention the storied men's and women's program losing millions each year? THE AD for the Huskies is contemplating cutting various sports programs. I know we have talked at great lengths about cultural changes involving sports attendance, but this is more than a little eye opening!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25...


Well, when you sign coach contracts with BCS money and it goes away, you will have a huge deficit.
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   Posted: 1/20/2019 5:12:19 PM 
Yet they paid Randy Edsall $56,000 in bonus money for a 1-11 football season to "incentivize" performance. Sounds like they're doing the wrong kind of incentivizing.

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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:36:00 AM 
Jeff, I completely agree with you.
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   Posted: 1/21/2019 9:50:32 AM 
Good post Jeff. The D1 non-P5 schools like Ohio are caught in a tough spot...Can't consistently compete for recruits and on field success nationally but pressured to chase it.

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   Posted: 1/21/2019 10:50:45 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think schools like Ohio should retain athletic scholarships, but other than that, I think there would be a lot of merit in adopting elements of a Div III model. Elite upper level Div I programs that have the money can work with young people who aspire to be professional athletes. For the rest of the schools....we need to pull the plug on this insane athletic arms race. Look at Western Michigan...made it to the Cotton Bowl a few years ago and only lost by 8 to Wisconsin...now look at their subpar attendance, etc. MAC schools cant afford these supposed "investments"...there may be some collateral benefits in terms of enrollment but even that's questionable.

Look how many sports most Div III schools offer....more than most MAC schools. And I believe the athletes probably have more fun, although I cant personally attest to that. Less pressure, etc. And coaches would be looked at more like faculty, teach classes, do other things at the university. Put an end to this insane coaching carousel. Coaches doing a good job of running a quality program would no longer be fired for a couple of losing seasons. The trade off would be lower salaries.

We would still play competitive schedules, have fun as fans, have winning seasons from time to time, etc.

I know many of you guys vehemently disagree with me, but I'm sorry guys, I no longer have the fire in the belly for this unsustainable system.



While I agree with pretty much everything you said it would interesting what the feeling here would be if Saul had worked out and we were still winning 25 games a year.

I don't really care if we are relevant on the national stage as long as we are in a conference that we are competitive. I've watched only a handful of Ohio games this year live because I'm going to high school games instead and I'm enjoying every minute of it. I don't need to watch NBA caliber players to be entertained. If the MAC decided to punt and drop to the level of the Atlantic Sun or Patriot Leagues I'd be fine with that. The P5s have rigged both major sports to eliminate or minimize the abilities of mids to compete. Some will point to Buffalo as proof that mids can compete but all I can say is talk to me five years from now. I can only think of one mid that has been able to stay relevant without really ramping up the budget and that's St. Mary's and that's a special case.
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   Posted: 1/22/2019 12:22:48 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
I suppose one could argue that UCONN football could be in the red, but for 8 Million, not to mention the storied men's and women's program losing millions each year? THE AD for the Huskies is contemplating cutting various sports programs. I know we have talked at great lengths about cultural changes involving sports attendance, but this is more than a little eye opening!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25...


It sounds like UConn bit off more than they could chew like buying a million dollar property on an ARM without stated income. I expect they will have to downsize coaching salaries for a while to the MAC tier until they climb out of the debt. Debt is what's propped up their 80 million dollar budget for the last decade. Ohio could be there going into debt for a new football stadium if it wanted.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 12:58:04 AM 
OUVan wrote:

If the MAC decided to punt and drop to the level of the Atlantic Sun or Patriot Leagues I'd be fine with that. The P5s have rigged both major sports to eliminate or minimize the abilities of mids to compete. Some will point to Buffalo as proof that mids can compete but all I can say is talk to me five years from now. I can only think of one mid that has been able to stay relevant without really ramping up the budget and that's St. Mary's and that's a special case.


We are definitely in desperate times. The consolidation into the P5 was a desperate money grab to pay off debt. Next phase of crisis I believe is the P5 splitting from the NCAA all together and start paying players because the TV money is going to get hallowed out as streaming takes over thus they'll look to total control of the post season as a last ditch effort to increase revenue. Then Ohio could be left behind to continue on in D1 with the other 290 schools but now with real a chance of winning an national championship in a sport with the high resource P5 out of there. Big East, AAC, MAC, MWC ect. all have conference TV deals that can continue on and so can march madness without the P5. This is just one split scenario. Another might have FBS splitting to form a new division 1 where the MAC is included with the P5. More or less its going to be either stay at the top level or be at the top level of the left behinds in D1, neither of which is a step back.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 1:29:41 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think schools like Ohio should retain athletic scholarships, but other than that, I think there would be a lot of merit in adopting elements of a Div III model. Elite upper level Div I programs that have the money can work with young people who aspire to be professional athletes. For the rest of the schools....we need to pull the plug on this insane athletic arms race. Look at Western Michigan...made it to the Cotton Bowl a few years ago and only lost by 8 to Wisconsin...now look at their subpar attendance, etc. MAC schools cant afford these supposed "investments"...there may be some collateral benefits in terms of enrollment but even that's questionable.

Look how many sports most Div III schools offer....more than most MAC schools. And I believe the athletes probably have more fun, although I cant personally attest to that. Less pressure, etc. And coaches would be looked at more like faculty, teach classes, do other things at the university. Put an end to this insane coaching carousel. Coaches doing a good job of running a quality program would no longer be fired for a couple of losing seasons. The trade off would be lower salaries.


What you are discussing here sounds like the way Division II works where its possible to offer some athletic scholarship but the team requirements are lower. Its not a bad idea on face value. Conferences though run on hierarchy and that would be asking the MAC to fall behind the ASun and Patriot in the overall college pecking order to do it. Then some MAC schools will do it while others do not who are hoping to stay at the highest possible level and take advantage of less competition. What would be best IMO is if the P5 left leaving behind a credible D1 of 290 schools that could reduce/keep spending down while maintaining a 64 team march madness format for post season competition. FBS minimum number of sports is 16 which is where Ohio is at but the D1 minimum is only 14 sports so the total scholarship sports could be reduced.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 10:06:33 AM 
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.

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Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.


Since you say that...

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/18/18187...


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   Posted: 1/22/2019 11:56:29 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.


Only problem is that while your expenses are a little less in the FCS world, your income is a lot less, and you actually have a greater debt problem. LC has posted the details on this many times on the football forum. PM him if you want the complete analysis.

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I am continually amazed at the number of people who spend 9 months a year complaining about being Division I FBS in football, and dropping down in football to FCS, then they spend another month lamenting on the death and danger of the sport, and 1 month getting excited about the season, and then 1 month in mourning complaining about our team.....SMDH!
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Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.


The MAC won't go to FCS when as a G5 it has better facilities than all but a few programs at the FCS level, more scholarships and more talented players including over 100 in the NFL. Even if the P5 left the NCAA, the MAC, AAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC I'm sure will continue in the FBS subdivision and continue to play bowl games with 85 scholarships just to keep its rank over FCS conferences.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 12:40:20 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
I am continually amazed at the number of people who spend 9 months a year complaining about being Division I FBS in football, and dropping down in football to FCS, then they spend another month lamenting on the death and danger of the sport, and 1 month getting excited about the season, and then 1 month in mourning complaining about our team.....SMDH!


Yes, and many of these same people are in seventh heaven now because they can simultaneously complain about the football program being FBS Division I and about the dire straights of the basketball program why that necessitates new coach for next year. IF we have a new basketball coach next year, and make the NIT and not the NCAA, they'll be complaining about that, instead of enjoying the ride. Some folks are just never happy.

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I am continually amazed at the number of people who spend 9 months a year complaining about being Division I FBS in football, and dropping down in football to FCS, then they spend another month lamenting on the death and danger of the sport, and 1 month getting excited about the season, and then 1 month in mourning complaining about our team.....SMDH!


I admit, I gripe about it because the system is stacked against G5 schools. But I have continually spouted for FCS on the route of scholarships and expenditures. I mean no offense, is a G5 TV deal worth all that much? When our negotiation window opens up again, you think we're in a better spot than Conference USA or the Sun Belt? I don't see the financial value of the MAC so dropping down may make a tinge of a difference when the contract opens up and ESPN (or whoever it is) dictate the terms to us. Not only that, bowl games are about to become a liability again to our athletic department budget and if you want to tell me that they are such great marketing tools and such, fine. Just make sure you remember to pay $60 or whatever BS they charge for a bowl game....excuse me, they gave them away for free, so not like the dept. cares about finances either.

Yeah we complain about not getting a MAC Title, it happens. But I have been in the camp of going FCS for a while from a sheer cost point and allows us to do what we need to do. Heck, if you want to call it small-school division like it was back in the 1950's and 60's, I'm all for that too. It still allows us to go for money games, and allows for us to not take on shenanigan FCS games where we have to pay them WAYYYYYY above market rate.

And about the basketball program, it still allows us to compete for that, where we will make more money if the MAC is actually good and devoted to it. Let's cut the crap that the MAC cares about football. Our resources and support has to be the worst in all of FBS college football.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 12:49:58 PM 
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Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.

Since you say that...

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/18/18187...


UConn is not dropping to FCS no matter how bad it gets they are way better off than UMass and they play as an FBS Independent. The stadium may be 22 miles from campus but that makes it convenient for fans and its a newer stadium. There is an outside chance they join the Big East and place football in the MAC which unlike UMass would be worth having. The could go Indy but if they do it will hurt recruiting not having a conference to play for. UConn keeps football in FCS they lose all hope of a P5 spot, something that was narrowly taken away from them by Clemson and Florida St who pushed for Louisville instead. Its just not the answer for them.

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Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
I am continually amazed at the number of people who spend 9 months a year complaining about being Division I FBS in football, and dropping down in football to FCS, then they spend another month lamenting on the death and danger of the sport, and 1 month getting excited about the season, and then 1 month in mourning complaining about our team.....SMDH!


I admit, I gripe about it because the system is stacked against G5 schools. But I have continually spouted for FCS on the route of scholarships and expenditures. I mean no offense, is a G5 TV deal worth all that much? When our negotiation window opens up again, you think we're in a better spot than Conference USA or the Sun Belt? I don't see the financial value of the MAC so dropping down may make a tinge of a difference when the contract opens up and ESPN (or whoever it is) dictate the terms to us. Not only that, bowl games are about to become a liability again to our athletic department budget and if you want to tell me that they are such great marketing tools and such, fine. Just make sure you remember to pay $60 or whatever BS they charge for a bowl game....excuse me, they gave them away for free, so not like the dept. cares about finances either.

Yeah we complain about not getting a MAC Title, it happens. But I have been in the camp of going FCS for a while from a sheer cost point and allows us to do what we need to do. Heck, if you want to call it small-school division like it was back in the 1950's and 60's, I'm all for that too. It still allows us to go for money games, and allows for us to not take on shenanigan FCS games where we have to pay them WAYYYYYY above market rate.

And about the basketball program, it still allows us to compete for that, where we will make more money if the MAC is actually good and devoted to it. Let's cut the crap that the MAC cares about football. Our resources and support has to be the worst in all of FBS college football.


The MAC picked up 14 million from the playoff system alone which goes away with a move to FCS. Its more than enough to make up for the difference of paying 500k for a MAC coach over 250k for FCS. Then G5 schools make a ton more on buy games, a difference of 1.5 million to 500k tops for FCS. It really is more money, more talent, more exposure to be playing in a G5 over FCS.

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   Posted: 1/22/2019 1:12:01 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Kinda why I argue for why not go FCS? You still get the benefits of March Madness and dare I say it, you actually have an equal shot at the College Football Playoffs at the FCS Level. Not only that, if we wanted to we could still take guarantee games on the road against power programs.

Since you say that...

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/1/18/18187...


UConn is not dropping to FCS no matter how bad it gets they are way better off than UMass and they play as an FBS Independent. The stadium may be 22 miles from campus but that makes it convenient for fans and its a newer stadium. There is an outside chance they join the Big East and place football in the MAC which unlike UMass would be worth having. The could go Indy but if they do it will hurt recruiting not having a conference to play for. UConn keeps football in FCS they lose all hope of a P5 spot, something that was narrowly taken away from them by Clemson and Florida St who pushed for Louisville instead. Its just not the answer for them.


The MAC isn't taking another team to only play football like they did with Temple and UMass. They want all or nothing and frankly, I applaud them for that.
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Uncle Wes wrote:
The MAC picked up 14 million from the playoff system alone which goes away with a move to FCS. Its more than enough to make up for the difference of paying 500k for a MAC coach over 250k for FCS. Then G5 schools make a ton more on buy games, a difference of 1.5 million to 500k tops for FCS. It really is more money, more talent, more exposure to be playing in a G5 over FCS.


How is that $14mil distributed? Equally, or some other way?
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  Message Not Read  RE: UCONN Athletics Runs a 40 Million Dollar Deficit
   Posted: 1/22/2019 2:21:20 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
The MAC picked up 14 million from the playoff system alone which goes away with a move to FCS. Its more than enough to make up for the difference of paying 500k for a MAC coach over 250k for FCS. Then G5 schools make a ton more on buy games, a difference of 1.5 million to 500k tops for FCS. It really is more money, more talent, more exposure to be playing in a G5 over FCS.


How is that $14mil distributed? Equally, or some other way?


It's divided up among the schools that have the highest % of bars on campus.
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