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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  Private Message for Fear Leon (and his closest intimate friends)
   Posted: 5/21/2018 11:42:05 PM 
I was just at the Athens Bobcat Caravan. Had the opportunity to talk very briefly with Saul. He was brimming with optimism and seemed really high on the new guys and the newly available guys, like Carter and BVP. He said BVP was Carter-like in his abilities. He opined about the upcoming season, "We are going to be really, really good!" I did not get the impression that Saul was mouthing these words to paper over some underlying, deep-seat feeling of dread or that he was fearful that this was his last season. In fact, he acted like a man that might already have been extended. Maybe it's time to ask for another FOIA request. ;-)

Saul also confirmed to me that he never looks at BA. In fact, he kind of acted like he'd never heard of it. I hope that doesn't crush too many delicate egos on here. He told me that he considered it in this day and age "too dangerous" for a coach to get involved in any social media at all. He said he was busy enough coaching his team.

In his general statements to the whole group he said that Dartis' surgery went well and that he was expected back, perhaps squashing another BA rumor. He also mentioned BVP's "wing span" as though it was something to behold. He seemed to be very high on the JC recruit and the incoming freshmen. He mentioned the harder schedule this year and some of the big games and appeared ready for the challenge and confident of the outcome.

Maybe it was all a good snow job, but I was convinced that this may be a very good upcoming basketball season.

Just thought you'd like to know that just maybe you might have to amend your hashtag to something like:

#SaulDaMan4OHIO, or

#SaulBall4Me

Last Edited: 5/22/2018 12:05:13 AM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Private Message for Fear Leon (and his closest intimate friends)
   Posted: 5/22/2018 7:52:02 AM 
I can understand where Saul is coming from.

I do Municipal engineering.

NJ.com and other sites have pages for each town in the state.

People put up all kinds of stuff,most of which is negative,including comments about some of our projects.

I get asked all the time,"did you see what they said about _______ ?"

Nope,I don't look at the pages.

Why bother.

People post anonymously and "they know".

If I read I'll be tempted to correct them.

No matter what I post it won't change their minds.
Its better to just ignore them.
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71 BOBCAT
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   Posted: 5/22/2018 7:54:06 AM 
This all sounds great, but his current W-L record doesn't look so good. Saul has always sounded optimistic.
TIME WILL TELL.



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   Posted: 5/22/2018 8:12:08 AM 
Hate that this will be my first post here... have lurked on this board for years- Love Ohio hoops- go back to the days when Ted Thompson was on WOUB with Tom Starr and Ron Jantz and not on here....lol

That said- how much real estate does Fear Leon take up in some of your heads? Here you have an interesting post- you talked with Saul, got some insight to share, and yet made it all about trying to get good ole Fear Leon.
Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism. Fear Leon is what he is... no different than his absolute opposite OU Country where everything in the Ohio Hoops world is fine and dandy and we just needed Carter healthy and we're playing Nova at the Final 4.

In any case thanks for the info from Saul- hopefully he's not just telling you want you want to hear and the team bounces back next year. And if BVP is solid/great- than that's awesome- but if BVP becomes EDoz part 2- you should expect comments here... heck you should make them yourself. And that can come with or without the hashtag- all good by me.
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   Posted: 5/22/2018 8:15:32 AM 
nice recap.

I think there have been 3-4 recruits signed since Cincy Caravan. one of my favorite parts of caravans is learning a little about pla years I know nothing about. I still remember Saul saying folks know they played against Carter afterwards, bumps and bruises.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Private Message for Fear Leon (and his closest intimate friends)
   Posted: 5/22/2018 9:19:02 AM 
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:
Hate that this will be my first post here... have lurked on this board for years- Love Ohio hoops- go back to the days when Ted Thompson was on WOUB with Tom Starr and Ron Jantz and not on here....lol

That said- how much real estate does Fear Leon take up in some of your heads? Here you have an interesting post- you talked with Saul, got some insight to share, and yet made it all about trying to get good ole Fear Leon.
Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism. Fear Leon is what he is... no different than his absolute opposite OU Country where everything in the Ohio Hoops world is fine and dandy and we just needed Carter healthy and we're playing Nova at the Final 4.

In any case thanks for the info from Saul- hopefully he's not just telling you want you want to hear and the team bounces back next year. And if BVP is solid/great- than that's awesome- but if BVP becomes EDoz part 2- you should expect comments here... heck you should make them yourself. And that can come with or without the hashtag- all good by me.





Echoes my experience as well, minus the Ted connection and the extreme view of Country. I think Ryan is well aware of the deficiencies. Spot on analysis though.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Private Message for Fear Leon (and his closest intimate friends)
   Posted: 5/22/2018 9:58:27 AM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:
Hate that this will be my first post here... have lurked on this board for years- Love Ohio hoops- go back to the days when Ted Thompson was on WOUB with Tom Starr and Ron Jantz and not on here....lol

That said- how much real estate does Fear Leon take up in some of your heads? Here you have an interesting post- you talked with Saul, got some insight to share, and yet made it all about trying to get good ole Fear Leon.
Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism. Fear Leon is what he is... no different than his absolute opposite OU Country where everything in the Ohio Hoops world is fine and dandy and we just needed Carter healthy and we're playing Nova at the Final 4.

In any case thanks for the info from Saul- hopefully he's not just telling you want you want to hear and the team bounces back next year. And if BVP is solid/great- than that's awesome- but if BVP becomes EDoz part 2- you should expect comments here... heck you should make them yourself. And that can come with or without the hashtag- all good by me.





Echoes my experience as well, minus the Ted connection and the extreme view of Country. I think Ryan is well aware of the deficiencies. Spot on analysis though.


I am very aware of the deficiencies, you're correct. I have complaints about approaches this staff takes with strategy or lineups. I have concerns at times with recruiting, and I don't agree with every young man that has been given a scholarship. I also am well aware that as compared to the coaching staffs, and a select few people on here, I don't know a damn thing about talent evaluation. I just don't see any value in tearing down young men who are generally 18-22 years old. And generally, I'm not interested in tearing down my Alma Mater (and what I assume to be the Alma Mater of most people on here). When I was younger, I did, on occasion. In fact, I was hyper critical of Larry Hunter when I was a student. When he passed, I kind of regretted that, because I didn't know him as a man like many here did. So yeah, in case you're looking for perspective on me as it relates to Ohio hoops, and the angle I take sometimes here, there ya go.



Back to the crux of OCF's post though....

Thanks a bunch for sharing. One of the great things I see about college sports, and college hoops, is that at the beginning of every year there's always that hope for a new, good year, and a fresh start. I'm really excited to see BVP and Carter healthy and on the floor together. And I'm really hoping that Jordan gets to have a healthy and fantastic senior year.

Last Edited: 5/22/2018 11:31:04 AM by OU_Country
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   Posted: 5/22/2018 11:34:33 AM 
Constructive criticism is one thing. There's nothing constructive about "#12months."
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   Posted: 5/22/2018 12:59:51 PM 

I'm prepared for an onslaught of negativity on here and in the non-social-media-sphere right up until Leon Williams tips in the ball at the buzzer to the 2018 MAC Championship Game.... er, I mean Jason Carter.... When Jason Carter wins the MAC Championship game for us next year.....

Nothing to do now except root for the Bobcats.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 5/22/2018 10:26:45 PM 
Sual might think we are going to be really good, and maybe we will be, but the bigger question is does Saul know what it takes to be really good in this conference? His ability to evaluate talent and recruit compared to the top tier programs suggests otherwise.
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   Posted: 5/22/2018 10:48:36 PM 
bobcat28 wrote:
Sual might think we are going to be really good, and maybe we will be, but the bigger question is does Saul know what it takes to be really good in this conference? His ability to evaluate talent and recruit compared to the top tier programs suggests otherwise.


The coach is always going to talk up his team. You are right, that's not news. But hearing that Dartis is on track to play this year, that's news.

I can buy into the hype if he's healthy.
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   Posted: 5/23/2018 11:45:32 AM 
Saul has a lot of pieces, I hope that we have a guy that emerges, that can get a bucket when the pressure is on. Cowart and Kirk at the guards, with Taylor and carter in the front court can be formidable . Will Dartis develop more and play? Will Block play better and still start? There are a lot of questions, Saul and the Bobcats success will be predicated on player development. We on this site will make everybody on the team all-MAC caliber and if it was up to us the starting lineup would remain the same. Will Saul be willing to make some changes if necessary? Fear Leon is a honest fan with honest concerns, let’s hope Saul and the team succeeds.

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   Posted: 5/23/2018 11:50:25 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I was just at the Athens Bobcat Caravan. Had the opportunity to talk very briefly with Saul. He was brimming with optimism and seemed really high on the new guys and the newly available guys, like Carter and BVP. He said BVP was Carter-like in his abilities. He opined about the upcoming season, "We are going to be really, really good!" I did not get the impression that Saul was mouthing these words to paper over some underlying, deep-seat feeling of dread or that he was fearful that this was his last season. In fact, he acted like a man that might already have been extended. Maybe it's time to ask for another FOIA request. ;-)

Saul also confirmed to me that he never looks at BA. In fact, he kind of acted like he'd never heard of it. I hope that doesn't crush too many delicate egos on here. He told me that he considered it in this day and age "too dangerous" for a coach to get involved in any social media at all. He said he was busy enough coaching his team.

In his general statements to the whole group he said that Dartis' surgery went well and that he was expected back, perhaps squashing another BA rumor. He also mentioned BVP's "wing span" as though it was something to behold. He seemed to be very high on the JC recruit and the incoming freshmen. He mentioned the harder schedule this year and some of the big games and appeared ready for the challenge and confident of the outcome.

Maybe it was all a good snow job, but I was convinced that this may be a very good upcoming basketball season.

Just thought you'd like to know that just maybe you might have to amend your hashtag to something like:

#SaulDaMan4OHIO, or

#SaulBall4Me


He has made comments about people doubting him and the team that were voiced on bobcatattack so I don’t believe what he said about reading the site, let’s hope the rest of this is true, Go Cats

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   Posted: 5/23/2018 12:00:32 PM 
allen wrote:


He has made comments about people doubting him and the team that were voiced on bobcatattack so I don’t believe what he said about reading the site, let’s hope the rest of this is true, Go Cats


Based on last year,I would think people voicing doubts about him and the team,go well beyond BA.
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   Posted: 5/23/2018 1:48:12 PM 
allen wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I was just at the Athens Bobcat Caravan. Had the opportunity to talk very briefly with Saul. He was brimming with optimism and seemed really high on the new guys and the newly available guys, like Carter and BVP. He said BVP was Carter-like in his abilities. He opined about the upcoming season, "We are going to be really, really good!" I did not get the impression that Saul was mouthing these words to paper over some underlying, deep-seat feeling of dread or that he was fearful that this was his last season. In fact, he acted like a man that might already have been extended. Maybe it's time to ask for another FOIA request. ;-)

Saul also confirmed to me that he never looks at BA. In fact, he kind of acted like he'd never heard of it. I hope that doesn't crush too many delicate egos on here. He told me that he considered it in this day and age "too dangerous" for a coach to get involved in any social media at all. He said he was busy enough coaching his team.

In his general statements to the whole group he said that Dartis' surgery went well and that he was expected back, perhaps squashing another BA rumor. He also mentioned BVP's "wing span" as though it was something to behold. He seemed to be very high on the JC recruit and the incoming freshmen. He mentioned the harder schedule this year and some of the big games and appeared ready for the challenge and confident of the outcome.

Maybe it was all a good snow job, but I was convinced that this may be a very good upcoming basketball season.

Just thought you'd like to know that just maybe you might have to amend your hashtag to something like:

#SaulDaMan4OHIO, or

#SaulBall4Me


He has made comments about people doubting him and the team that were voiced on bobcatattack so I don’t believe what he said about reading the site, let’s hope the rest of this is true, Go Cats


No, if he read this page he would have played Ellis Dozier more minutes.
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   Posted: 5/23/2018 2:43:57 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
No, if he read this page he would have played Ellis Dozier more minutes.


Plus that Bridgewater guy. I heard he was pretty good.
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   Posted: 5/26/2018 5:37:54 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
I was just at the Athens Bobcat Caravan. Had the opportunity to talk very briefly with Saul. He was brimming with optimism and seemed really high on the new guys and the newly available guys, like Carter and BVP. He said BVP was Carter-like in his abilities. He opined about the upcoming season, "We are going to be really, really good!" I did not get the impression that Saul was mouthing these words to paper over some underlying, deep-seat feeling of dread or that he was fearful that this was his last season. In fact, he acted like a man that might already have been extended. Maybe it's time to ask for another FOIA request. ;-)

Saul also confirmed to me that he never looks at BA. In fact, he kind of acted like he'd never heard of it. I hope that doesn't crush too many delicate egos on here. He told me that he considered it in this day and age "too dangerous" for a coach to get involved in any social media at all. He said he was busy enough coaching his team.

In his general statements to the whole group he said that Dartis' surgery went well and that he was expected back, perhaps squashing another BA rumor. He also mentioned BVP's "wing span" as though it was something to behold. He seemed to be very high on the JC recruit and the incoming freshmen. He mentioned the harder schedule this year and some of the big games and appeared ready for the challenge and confident of the outcome.

Maybe it was all a good snow job, but I was convinced that this may be a very good upcoming basketball season.

Just thought you'd like to know that just maybe you might have to amend your hashtag to something like:

#SaulDaMan4OHIO, or

#SaulBall4Me


Enjoy this thread. Truly an honor to have my name in the subject line. It's amazing how many more people seem to be in my camp now that the season is over. They can truly sit back and analyze what this program has accomplished (or I should say not accomplished) these last four years and where it's heading. The upcoming season is the biggest year of Saul's coaching career. And OCF...you can stop with the FOIA request. Most contract extensions are usually announced publicly by the University. I will trust Arkley's reporting on this. Saul has #10Months to figure it out and turn it around. If not, it's over. That's pretty clear from Schaus. I'm reading a ton on here where many believe Saul has the working parts to have his best team ever. So with that said....there are no more excuses...zero.

Last Edited: 5/26/2018 5:46:26 AM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 5/26/2018 12:47:00 PM 
Saul is going to have to either win the MAC regular season title or make the NCAAs to make it out of year 5.

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   Posted: 5/27/2018 12:07:52 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Saul is going to have to either win the MAC regular season title or make the NCAAs to make it out of year 5.


I tend to agree with this sentiment - though I don't know if a regular season MAC anything means, well anything. Make the NCAA's or at a minimum the MAC championship game. Anything short and he's on some really thin ice IMO.
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   Posted: 6/29/2018 8:16:40 AM 
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:

Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism.


This should be posted to the masthead of this website.

It's laughable that people think players and/or coaches waste one ounce of brain power worrying about what is said in these message boards. I don't believe for one millisecond that Saul reads this junk, but maybe some of his lower level coaches or his players do .... but I'm guessing they do it and just laugh.

It's a freakin' message board .... placing any more value on it IS INSANE.
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   Posted: 6/29/2018 8:59:39 AM 
If healthy, the core of Block, Dartis, Kirk, Carter, Doug and Gollon that we have returning is as good as any other core in the league other than Buffalo of course. We realistically need one of Cowart, Preston and James to step up and give us 10 minutes a game and some scoring. We realistically need 2 of Murrell, BVP, Springs or McMurray to do the same. That would give us an 8-man rotation. All accounts say that BVP is going to be solid. I think that Cowart's overall skills at the JUCO level speak for themselves. I am intrigued by McMurray. I saw him in an All-Star game this year after the season was over. He looked dominating in that game. It's just an all-star game but he stood out among Akron and Canton players.
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   Posted: 6/29/2018 2:55:03 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:

Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism.


This should be posted to the masthead of this website.

It's laughable that people think players and/or coaches waste one ounce of brain power worrying about what is said in these message boards. I don't believe for one millisecond that Saul reads this junk, but maybe some of his lower level coaches or his players do .... but I'm guessing they do it and just laugh.

It's a freakin' message board .... placing any more value on it IS INSANE.


Both of these posts ^^^^^^^ just make way too much sense....well done and you know Fear Leon #TotallyAgrees!

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 6/29/2018 7:04:14 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:

Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism.


This should be posted to the masthead of this website.

It's laughable that people think players and/or coaches waste one ounce of brain power worrying about what is said in these message boards. I don't believe for one millisecond that Saul reads this junk, but maybe some of his lower level coaches or his players do .... but I'm guessing they do it and just laugh.

It's a freakin' message board .... placing any more value on it IS INSANE.


Both of these posts ^^^^^^^ just make way too much sense....well done and you know Fear Leon #TotallyAgrees!



Dang! You mean Frank and Saul aren’t reading my pearls of wisdom?!? Well fudge! Guess I might as well migrate over to a CAVS messageboard and persuade LeBron to stay in Cleveland; that should work. 😂😂😂
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   Posted: 7/1/2018 10:11:03 PM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
DinksRecordFreeThrow wrote:

Anyone with a brain knew Saul doesn't read BA- and if he did he'd never admit it. And that should put to bed the idiotic arguments from this past season that BA was hurting morale on the team and making Ohio look bad. This is a message board- with maybe 50 regular posters. Trying to assign it some heavier value is insane.

For the life of me I can't understand how grown women and men on this board can't handle fun or any sort of constructive criticism.


This should be posted to the masthead of this website.

It's laughable that people think players and/or coaches waste one ounce of brain power worrying about what is said in these message boards. I don't believe for one millisecond that Saul reads this junk, but maybe some of his lower level coaches or his players do .... but I'm guessing they do it and just laugh.

It's a freakin' message board .... placing any more value on it IS INSANE.


Both of these posts ^^^^^^^ just make way too much sense....well done and you know Fear Leon #TotallyAgrees!



Dang! You mean Frank and Saul aren’t reading my pearls of wisdom?!? Well fudge! Guess I might as well migrate over to a CAVS messageboard and persuade LeBron to stay in Cleveland; that should work. 😂😂😂



Well, that didn’t seem to work......
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