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(30 second recap: the final 4 games of the regular season Basketball schedule in the CUSA won't be set until they have results from the first 14 games, so that over those last 4 games, the top 4 teams in the conference will play all play one another in attempts of boosting RPI and SOS). Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/29/2018 1:43:22 PM  mf279801 wrote: https://deadspin.com/conference-usa-is-completely-revampi... Has anyone seen this? Thoughts? (30 second recap: the final 4 games of the regular season Basketball schedule in the CUSA won't be set until they have results from the first 14 games, so that over those last 4 games, the top 4 teams in the conference will play all play one another in attempts of boosting RPI and SOS). Came here to post it haha. It's intriguing! We'll see how it works this season. I can see the logic behind it for sure. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,115 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/29/2018 1:47:05 PM  It's creative. I think smaller conferences need to find interesting ideas. I hope this works. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/29/2018 3:04:15 PM  A scheduling nightmare for: 1) Players and classes 2) Traveling fans 3) Promotions and special events In a one bid league such as the MAC, this would not change anything. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,408 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/29/2018 11:12:00 PM  Alan Swank wrote: A scheduling nightmare for: 1) Players and classes 2) Traveling fans 3) Promotions and special events In a one bid league such as the MAC, this would not change anything. Yup RS Bobcat Back to Top OUs LONG Driver General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Copley, OH Post Count: 660 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/30/2018 9:16:29 AM  RSBobcat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: A scheduling nightmare for: 1) Players and classes 2) Traveling fans 3) Promotions and special events In a one bid league such as the MAC, this would not change anything. Yup I applaud the effort to do something different. Would be easier in a more regionally concentrated conference like the MAC in regards to travel arrangements although admittedly still a challenge. Maybe a bye week prior to this transition would help? Probably not enough to ensure a 2nd bid for the MAC with the current state of the conference BUT doing more of the same isn't going to improve our chances either. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,439 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/30/2018 9:20:40 AM  If C-USA can make this work for everyone involved, the MAC definitely can. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,797 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/30/2018 9:33:32 AM  shabamon wrote: If C-USA can make this work for everyone involved, the MAC definitely can. I would rather sit back this year and see what happens. Because the other thing this does too is leave yourself open to potential losses as well. Can very easily be a double-edged sword, similarly to the double-byes in conference tournaments. For me personally, I always thought the Ivy League had the best answer to the problems faced by mid-majors. But they went and messed that up with a conference tournament and are leaving themselves at the mercy of potentially getting their #4 seed in the dance versus their best team. Let me get back on my rocker before everyone casts stones. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,070 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/30/2018 10:12:03 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: shabamon wrote: If C-USA can make this work for everyone involved, the MAC definitely can. I would rather sit back this year and see what happens. Because the other thing this does too is leave yourself open to potential losses as well. Can very easily be a double-edged sword, similarly to the double-byes in conference tournaments. For me personally, I always thought the Ivy League had the best answer to the problems faced by mid-majors. But they went and messed that up with a conference tournament and are leaving themselves at the mercy of potentially getting their #4 seed in the dance versus their best team. Let me get back on my rocker before everyone casts stones. I'm gonna agree. This could potentially backfire and each team goes 2-2 and it's all for naught. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,800 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/30/2018 10:12:11 AM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: shabamon wrote: If C-USA can make this work for everyone involved, the MAC definitely can. I would rather sit back this year and see what happens. Because the other thing this does too is leave yourself open to potential losses as well. Can very easily be a double-edged sword, similarly to the double-byes in conference tournaments. For me personally, I always thought the Ivy League had the best answer to the problems faced by mid-majors. But they went and messed that up with a conference tournament and are leaving themselves at the mercy of potentially getting their #4 seed in the dance versus their best team. Let me get back on my rocker before everyone casts stones. You are definitely right that the best option for getting the best team into the NCAA tournament is for the regular season champ to go. The conference tournaments are all about giving every other team something to play for (and money). I'm not sure how this scheduling idea will work out either, but for a conference like Conference USA, it's worth a try, and it's a good idea for the MAC to pay attention and see how it plays out. I have concern for certain negative consequences being possible as much as positive ones. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/31/2018 11:32:27 AM  I just think this all seems rather desperate. Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,034 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 5/31/2018 1:04:10 PM  Ohio69 wrote: I just think this all seems rather desperate. It is - and if you haven't looked around in a little while, we're in desperate times. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We haven't gotten two teams into the NCAA tournament since 1999. That's 19 years for those of you in Rio Linda. Last Edited: 5/31/2018 1:05:05 PM by GraffZ06 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,380 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/1/2018 9:54:56 AM  So, basically they're going to have a tournament before the tournament? Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,074 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/1/2018 11:22:47 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: So, basically they're going to have a tournament before the tournament? Yep, if you're one of those five teams that can be very exciting but if not, it's like you're playing in the B league of your league. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,817 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/1/2018 12:19:06 PM  Alan Swank wrote: A scheduling nightmare for: 1) Players and classes 2) Traveling fans 3) Promotions and special events In a one bid league such as the MAC, this would not change anything. You assume these athletes are taking actual classes and not the on-line variety. I think you seriously fail to understand how many teams use on-line classes in today's world of a University education and specifically those with tight schedules like athletic teams. Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 2,034 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/1/2018 1:03:32 PM  I'm going to say I applaud the CUSA for trying something new and thinking outside the box on this one. But, in the end, I think it's going to do more harm than good. A lot of good mid-majors are going to have to play a couple extra tough games. Some/half of them on the road. And, similar to the now defunct Bracket Buster - instead of getting the hypothesized bump in SOS and quality wins for those that win, it will more realistically just act as a way to eliminate more mids from the equation by adding a couple extra losses to their resume (and they won't be considered "quality losses" either) for the teams that lose. No committee is going to add Western Kentucky to the at-large line just because they beat Old Dominion a 2nd time. But - it sure will remove all doubt that Old Dominion is out (for a random example). No - the only way to get committee respect is to play and beat P5 schools. And those P5 schools know it and thus will only play on their court. So good luck. It's all about national perception. Western Kentucky tops Old Dominion - that gets a scroll at the bottom of ESPN. Western Kentucky beats Louisville - that gets it's own segment on SportsCenter. One gets national attention and changes perception. One doesn't. Back to Top Ohio69 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,023 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/1/2018 2:52:10 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: No committee is going to add Western Kentucky to the at-large line just because they beat Old Dominion a 2nd time. This seems more likely. The NCAA prefers mid-standing P5 teams (even with losing conference records) over top 1-2 mid major conference teams for at large bids. So, why would this change anything? Then again, at this point, Bluto's right!...... And Conference USA are just the guys to do it.... Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?..... Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/3/2018 3:22:53 PM  Okay, it was a little vague on the seeding. Do they freeze the seeding prior to playing the last games or could a team screw themselves for the conference tournament? The article said they seed the teams but it doesn't specify if that seeding is the seeding also used for the conference tournament or whether they reseed after 18 games. It's nice to try something different but I don't see this as having any real impact. Back to Top spierce General User Member Since: 8/4/2017 Post Count: 10 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/3/2018 3:53:13 PM  Teams that are 1-5 going into the last 2 weeks will be guaranteed finishing 1-5. Teams 6-10 will be seeded 6-10 and 11-14 seeded 11-14. Also the top 2 seeds will get byes into the semifinals of the tournament. I think that's best thing about this. One bid leagues should reward teams that do well in regular season. The big negative in this is travel. A team could play at Old Dominion on Thursday and then at UTEP on Saturday. For the MAC travel wouldn't be so bad because it is much more geographically friendly than Conference USA. Another potential negative is not knowing what your schedule is goign into the last 2 weeks. Rough on fans who travel to games. Honestly, while this is getting Conference USA some buzz right now it will not get the league a second bid. Middle Tennesee's RPI was something like 33 and they didn't get an at large bid. It's an interesting idea but I don't think it will have the desired results. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,008 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/3/2018 11:25:28 PM  The A-10 I believe has its top programs play more frequently by design boosting quadrant wins. Their scheduling approach has helped the A10 stay a 3 bid conference. The MAC should scrap divisions and go to something similar, a 15 game schedule where you play everyone 1 time aside for teams from the previous season playing twice (1-4, 5-8, 9-12) based on the previous season standings. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,887 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/4/2018 12:07:03 PM  I hate this. Just feeds into the prevailing thought of today that the only thing that matters is postseason play. Openly admitting your own conference regular season takes a back seat to pandering to computer rankings. Dumb. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,314 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/6/2018 12:33:49 PM  It'll get CUSA a lot of press but probably won't make much difference. You improve your RPI primarily by playing and beating Quadrant 1 teams (basically, RPI 1-75). After the regular season last year, CUSA had three teams that could be considered Quadrant 1: MTSU (28), WKU (54), and ODU (71). If this plays out next year, at least two of the top five will be Quadrant 2 or lower. Which means playing those two teams won't help your RPI much; you have to beat them on the road to get any real bump. (Last year, the next two were T'erd (101) and UTEP (155)). The real problem for CUSA is overall strength of schedule. Only two teams (MTSU and WKU) had a SOS under 100. Only four other teams had a SOS under 200 (ranging from 136-187). CUSA's #3 RPI team, ODU, had a SOS of 207. The MAC at least had opportunities for improving its RPI -- the worst SOS in the MAC was BG's at 188. The MAC just didn't take advantage of its opportunities. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,104 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/7/2018 2:30:43 PM  I don't like this idea at all. It penalizes teams for havING a good season by toughenING their schedule for the last four games with the only unlikely benefit being possibly getting an NCAA at large. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,462 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/7/2018 2:44:04 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: ...with the only unlikely benefit being possibly getting an NCAA at large. Actually, i THINK that CUSA's hope is that this will lead to a better seeding, not necessarily additional bids. I could certainly be wrong. Back to Top gbur General User Member Since: 12/18/2013 Post Count: 90 Status: Offline     RE: C-USA scheduling games    Posted: 6/7/2018 5:39:04 PM  It looks like the Sun Belt will be having a flex schedule as well.They are going to place the teams in pods of 3 after 16 games and play a home and home with the other two teams. https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/06/04/sun-be... / Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 25 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 502 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 502 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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