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mid70sbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/30/2022 11:30:06 PM 
SBH wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:

At least her priorities are straight. Not about a good education or being part of a family. No, it's the bucks.


Such moralizing nonsense. OU is the 179th ranked school in the country. There's a high probability chance that by transferring to a P5 school, he ends up at a better ranked school, and can make a little money. And maybe some of that money can help his actual family, as opposed to some arbitrary sense of family you're trying to apply so you can pretend his decision is somehow morally wrong.

Sucks for Ohio Basketball, but we don't own the dude. If he thinks this is the best thing for him, so be it. I hope he makes some money from basketball while he can. He worked really hard to get where he is, and I don't think he has an NBA future given how he played against guards with length.


Sorry, his mom is sitting courtside openly complaining to strangers that her son, on a full ride college scholarship, isn't getting enough cash. Bad look. Good riddance.


+10. I guess she watched the movie "Greed is Good". His future is overseas at best.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/30/2022 11:46:57 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:


+10. I guess she watched the movie "Greed is Good". His future is overseas at best.



If his future is overseas at best, there's nothing greedy about trying to position himself to earn whatever money he can on his talents in the meantime. He's worked very hard to be very good at basketball. He's likely not good enough to make a career of it, and there's an outside chance he can get a free degree and make some NIL cash. What's greedy about that?

You, on the other hand, are viewing this solely through a lens of your own self-interest. You would rather take money out of somebody's pocket then see him leave a basketball team you root for.

Who is the greedy one here, exactly?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 12:49:51 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:


+10. I guess she watched the movie "Greed is Good". His future is overseas at best.





Who is the greedy one here, exactly?



The P5 schools and the media - They win/profit no matter what happens w/Sears....


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 1:52:42 AM 
The way everything collapsed the last couple weeks makes you wonder if Searsí and BVPís departures werenít widely-known within the locker room.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 2:34:26 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:


+10. I guess she watched the movie "Greed is Good". His future is overseas at best.



If his future is overseas at best, there's nothing greedy about trying to position himself to earn whatever money he can on his talents in the meantime. He's worked very hard to be very good at basketball. He's likely not good enough to make a career of it, and there's an outside chance he can get a free degree and make some NIL cash. What's greedy about that?

You, on the other hand, are viewing this solely through a lens of your own self-interest. You would rather take money out of somebody's pocket then see him leave a basketball team you root for.

Who is the greedy one here, exactly?



Makes sense.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 4:14:56 AM 
. wrote:
The way everything collapsed the last couple weeks makes you wonder if Searsí and BVPís departures werenít widely-known within the locker room.


I can't imagine that's true. If it was, even LESS reason to accept that ridiculous CBI invite.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 6:24:25 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:


Sorry, his mom is sitting courtside openly complaining to strangers that her son, on a full ride college scholarship, isn't getting enough cash. Bad look. Good riddance.


It's truly bizarre to me how completely the NCAA managed to convince people that wanting to earn money is somehow wrong.

You think he's going to get a demonstrably worse education elsewhere? He either cares about it or he doesn't. If he does, he'll get a good education basically wherever. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter where he is. As for the "family" bit, you think he's not gonna be close with his teammates elsewhere?

I would rather he be a Bobcat next year. But if he's not gonna be, I'm not gonna pretend it's some immoral choice. And I'm certainly not going to criticize some kid's mom about the content of a conversation I wasn't involved in.


You continue to act like the full scholarship doesnít itself have a lot of value! For many itís the scholarship and education that makes a difference in their lives over the pocket change they will pick up from NIL monies

Last Edited: 3/31/2022 7:57:01 AM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 7:10:23 AM 
Itís funny how people online/social media keep calling Mark Sears a PG. We know that Sears is not a PG. Jason Preston was a PG.

I crack up how everyone online is raving about his PG skills. Averaged 4 assists. At Kent State? 0 assists. Vs Kent in MAC tourneyÖ1 assist. At LSU 1 assist. His best was 9 assists vs a crappy Miami D. Oh and he averaged 3 turnovers a game too to match those 4 assists. Including 7 in the loss to Toledo at home. He disappeared in just about every big game.

Mark Sears is a 6-foot shooting guard. Sorry, those donít last very long at the next level. BLove compared this move to Mr. Dribble out the clock J Smooth J Simmons. I can see that.

Last Edited: 3/31/2022 7:11:11 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 7:49:46 AM 
It is easy to be upset with Sears and his decision.
Let's take a deep breath people and realize this NCAA rule has certainly changed the D1 landscape.
I don't blame players to test the waters and see if they are able to take advantage of these new rules.
How many of us have changed jobs for any number of reasons including for money. Some of us, who have made job changes, may have had second thoughts.
Is the grass always greener, not always.

No one knows what the future holds for our program.
Boals will certainly have a challenge a head of him. He probably knows more than us as to who will be returning next year and therefor what pieces he needs to replace. He may be looking over the portal as we speak and even has a short list of players.
Ohio is not alone with this challenge, many in our conference are encountering a similar situation.
As someone else mentioned on this board, there is almost zero chance that any mid major player will receive NIL moneys.
Do these NIL moneys have a negative impact on a teams chemistry? After all, most of a players team mates will not be seeing any of this money.
Money can be the root of all evil.





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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 8:18:32 AM 
I'm not surprised. Hopefully we can get an impact transfer. I don't like the prospects of relying on freshmen.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:11:11 AM 
Here's a crazy idea.
Ohio should set themselves up as a mid-major farm team for P6 teams. Recruit HS players that are talented but need seasoning for the P6 teams. We could be a one/two and done team for the majors. Kind of a Kentucky only not for the NBA but for the P6. With Boals' connections his P6 buddies can park extra bodies with us so they have a ready supply of replacements for their own one/two and dones. Helps them get around scholarship limits.
They could give us lucrative buy games every year. Kind of like when MLB teams play their minor league teams to showcase their upcoming talent.

Not sure how far fetched this is, but the current model isn't sustainable for teams like Ohio.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:15:49 AM 
Absolutely terrible news. Yes, we haven't heard details on his decision and motivation in making the move. But I would be surprised if I hear anything that would change my mind on this - I am very disappointed in Mark's decision.

B-Love said it best...what the hell happened to loyalty? School pride? Bonds with teammates and coaches? Coach Martin brought him to Hargrave, then got him the offer at Ohio. Coach Boals entrusted him as a freshman and handed him the keys to the offense as a Sophomore. The student body and fan base got behind him and sang his praises. I'm certain he has many teammates who have stuck their necks out for him and had his back. We all spent 4+ years in Athens, how do you not fall in love with it? I just really struggle to understand how it is so easy to just walk away from all of that.

And for what? If there was a clear and obvious path to significant NIL dollars and/or a better route for his professional career, I'd understand. Personally, I do not see it. This move is more risky than beneficial. We all had hoped that Jaaron's struggles and Preston's success and getting drafted made it obvious for future Bobcat stars to want to stick around, but I guess not.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:29:05 AM 
IceCat76 wrote:
Here's a crazy idea.
Ohio should set themselves up as a mid-major farm team for P6 teams. Recruit HS players that are talented but need seasoning for the P6 teams. We could be a one/two and done team for the majors. Kind of a Kentucky only not for the NBA but for the P6. With Boals' connections his P6 buddies can park extra bodies with us so they have a ready supply of replacements for their own one/two and dones. Helps them get around scholarship limits.
They could give us lucrative buy games every year. Kind of like when MLB teams play their minor league teams to showcase their upcoming talent.

Not sure how far fetched this is, but the current model isn't sustainable for teams like Ohio.


I was thinking about the same thing IC, although not quite to the depth you have posted :).
If we could establish a working relationship with even one ďblue bloodĒ or a school or two who are nearly so, we may actually be able to field an even better team than we have now. The academics piece might be a problematic for some but applying that old, worn out saying that I donít particularly like to use, ďitís time to think outside the boxĒ, might be appropriate here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:30:17 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:

You continue to act like the full scholarship doesnít itself have a lot of value! For many itís the scholarship and education that makes a difference in their lives over the pocket change they will pick up from NIL monies


Yeah, I'm not acting like that at all. In fact, my point is that in this scenario the education is static. He's going to get one wherever he goes. It's not as if he's leaving solely for the NIL money. It's NIL money and a full scholarship.

I just find the moral grandstanding here to be pretty ridiculous. In this thread we've got people insulting Mark Sears' Mom for being greedy and evoking the importance of an education and "family" (while referring to a basketball team). The anti-NIL folks try awfully hard to stake some moral high ground, but the reality is that their opposition stems from self-interest and the desire to maintain competitive balance in college athletics. You're arguing for taking money out of the pockets of people who worked very hard to develop a talent because you worry that putting money in their pockets will limit your own enjoyment of a hobby of yours.

There's no moral highground there, and your attempts to pretend there is by evoking the importance of education is a strawman that ignores the very obvious. I understand your view. I understand this could be bad for college athletics as a product. I simply think it's immoral to limit the earning ability of people in pursuit of a better entertainment product for the NCAA.



Last Edited: 3/31/2022 9:36:46 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:33:00 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


You continue to act like the full scholarship doesnít itself have a lot of value! For many itís the scholarship and education that makes a difference in their lives over the pocket change they will pick up from NIL monies


As I've posted before:

I played D1 Soccer for O.U., in the Mid 1970's.

We had 1 scholarship ,so we were all "walk-ons"

My second year we even had to have a volunteer coach.

I transferred to FDU, in Teaneck, N.J.

I wrestled D1 there.

My Senior year I got a very, small partial scholarship.
Basically, they used the remaining money in the team's budget
as partial scholarships for Seniors.
It wasn't much, but we were thrilled to get anything.

I would have given anything to have gotten a full scholarship.

I played Soccer and Wrestled because I loved the sports.
There was no chance of "going pro" in either sport.

Even if there was, I went to college to get a degree I could use for my future endeavors.







Last Edited: 3/31/2022 9:38:07 AM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:38:05 AM 
This is exactly what the power 5/6 wanted from the beginning. Treat the mid majors as the minor leagues, then pillage them when needed.

What does help the mid majors though are all those recruited to big name schools that weren't playing or will lose playing time due to the transfers and then transfer out to a mid major. Difference is, they are untested to an extent.

Last Edited: 3/31/2022 9:39:26 AM by Chuck_IV


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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 9:51:16 AM 
Chuck_IV wrote:
What does help the mid majors though are all those recruited to big name schools that weren't playing or will lose playing time due to the transfers and then transfer out to a mid major. Difference is, they are untested to an extent.



The depth of talent in the Transfer Portal this year is unprecedented.

I'm disappointed this is what college basketball has turned into, but there's no use crying over spilled milk. Time to go out and sign some free agents.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:01:36 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


You continue to act like the full scholarship doesnít itself have a lot of value! For many itís the scholarship and education that makes a difference in their lives over the pocket change they will pick up from NIL monies


As I've posted before:

I played D1 Soccer for O.U., in the Mid 1970's.

We had 1 scholarship ,so we were all "walk-ons"

My second year we even had to have a volunteer coach.

I transferred to FDU, in Teaneck, N.J.

I wrestled D1 there.

My Senior year I got a very, small partial scholarship.
Basically, they used the remaining money in the team's budget
as partial scholarships for Seniors.
It wasn't much, but we were thrilled to get anything.

I would have given anything to have gotten a full scholarship.

I played Soccer and Wrestled because I loved the sports.
There was no chance of "going pro" in either sport.

Even if there was, I went to college to get a degree I could use for my future endeavors.









We are all very very familiar with your story. However, we are discussing 100% (100%+ with "full cost of attendance monies") scholarships, not equivalency sports.
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   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:03:37 AM 
Chuck_IV wrote:
This is exactly what the power 5/6 wanted from the beginning. Treat the mid majors as the minor leagues, then pillage them when needed.

What does help the mid majors though are all those recruited to big name schools that weren't playing or will lose playing time due to the transfers and then transfer out to a mid major. Difference is, they are untested to an extent.


P5/6 schools have nothing to do with this NIL stuff, nor the transfer portal. Pending legal defeats brought you the portal, and State Legislatures and Congress brought you NIL. Not any different than when people want to blame state high school associations for open enrollments, but fail to realize they are just following their state laws.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:08:27 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Chuck_IV wrote:
This is exactly what the power 5/6 wanted from the beginning. Treat the mid majors as the minor leagues, then pillage them when needed.

What does help the mid majors though are all those recruited to big name schools that weren't playing or will lose playing time due to the transfers and then transfer out to a mid major. Difference is, they are untested to an extent.


P5/6 schools have nothing to do with this NIL stuff, nor the transfer portal. Pending legal defeats brought you the portal, and State Legislatures and Congress brought you NIL. Not any different than when people want to blame state high school associations for open enrollments, but fail to realize they are just following their state laws.

Who lobbied the politicians for this legislation to be passed? P5 assets. Mid-majors need to combine lobbying resources to get our own corrupt politicians elected to push our agenda.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:10:47 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Chuck_IV wrote:
This is exactly what the power 5/6 wanted from the beginning. Treat the mid majors as the minor leagues, then pillage them when needed.

What does help the mid majors though are all those recruited to big name schools that weren't playing or will lose playing time due to the transfers and then transfer out to a mid major. Difference is, they are untested to an extent.


P5/6 schools have nothing to do with this NIL stuff, nor the transfer portal. Pending legal defeats brought you the portal, and State Legislatures and Congress brought you NIL. Not any different than when people want to blame state high school associations for open enrollments, but fail to realize they are just following their state laws.

Who lobbied the politicians for this legislation to be passed? P5 assets. Mid-majors need to combine lobbying resources to get our own corrupt politicians elected to push our agenda.


I am sure that you have documentation that shows P5 schools were paying lobbyist to promote this legislation? And funny, 8 months ago, this board was excited about the NIL, and we get excited over the portal and dream of all the players we may get. But reality is, none of this has been good for schools like us. However, people ignored the reality of all this legislation.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:19:25 AM 
Funny how y'all couldn't wait for Grainger to portal out...

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:32:42 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

You continue to act like the full scholarship doesnít itself have a lot of value! For many itís the scholarship and education that makes a difference in their lives over the pocket change they will pick up from NIL monies


Yeah, I'm not acting like that at all. In fact, my point is that in this scenario the education is static. He's going to get one wherever he goes. It's not as if he's leaving solely for the NIL money. It's NIL money and a full scholarship.

I just find the moral grandstanding here to be pretty ridiculous. In this thread we've got people insulting Mark Sears' Mom for being greedy and evoking the importance of an education and "family" (while referring to a basketball team). The anti-NIL folks try awfully hard to stake some moral high ground, but the reality is that their opposition stems from self-interest and the desire to maintain competitive balance in college athletics. You're arguing for taking money out of the pockets of people who worked very hard to develop a talent because you worry that putting money in their pockets will limit your own enjoyment of a hobby of yours.

There's no moral highground there, and your attempts to pretend there is by evoking the importance of education is a strawman that ignores the very obvious. I understand your view. I understand this could be bad for college athletics as a product. I simply think it's immoral to limit the earning ability of people in pursuit of a better entertainment product for the NCAA.





So basically you're saying we shouldn't care?

Also just wanted to point out that many NIL deals don't even involve cash. So there's that...

Last Edited: 3/31/2022 10:35:21 AM by spongeBOB CATpants

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  Message Not Read  RE: Sears Transfer Portal?
   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:37:35 AM 
BLS, for the record, I am not anti-NIL. I did though from the beginning understand that NIL was going to be a bad thing for OHIO athletics due to our demographics.
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   Posted: 3/31/2022 10:44:11 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
BLS, for the record, I am not anti-NIL. I did though from the beginning understand that NIL was going to be a bad thing for OHIO athletics due to our demographics.


Like most everything, its not about "local" anymore. NIL looks very closely at social media impact. The opportunities for NIL are not simply with the the local bar or auto dealer, but larger social media opportunities.

Last Edited: 3/31/2022 10:47:33 AM by cc-cat

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