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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/7/2022 10:43:10 PM 
I cannot believe I am saying this in November but: Solid hoops loss..time to win The Battle of the Bricks on the gridiron now!!!
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/7/2022 10:52:21 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
I cannot believe I am saying this in November but: Solid hoops loss..time to win The Battle of the Bricks on the gridiron now!!!


If there is a positive to losing in basketball it’s that no one goes undefeated. Would’ve been a nice win for sure. Should’ve been a win. It wasn’t though. A lot to build on. They looked like trash most of the game and nearly had it. DW3 is a beast. Outside of that…. pretty underwhelming/awful performance by all.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/7/2022 10:54:37 PM 
lovebobcat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
shabamon wrote:
The final shot

https://twitter.com/BelmontMBB/status/1589810042508713986

I'm surprised by Roderick's reaction to the play as it developed. The cutter stumbles into the lane and falls and Ben stays with him instead of thinking on the fly to guard the look behind the arc. There's no way they're going to pass to a guy in the lane lying on the ground.


A senior making that decision. Too bad. He played a key role in what should have been a win. It makes no sense why he trailed that guy.



Okay, c'mon... even if Roderick reacted instantly and flew out to the top of the key, he was too far away to impact the play. No reason to single him out. They were switching on screens.

That was a well-designed offensive play, and the Belmont kid just made a clutch shot. Hat tip.


Will agree to disagree.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/7/2022 11:06:48 PM 
Only got to watch the second half. Looked like really sloppy ball until the about the 9:00 minute mark when we started to make a run. We had a lot of ball hog ball before that run. Toward the end we seemed to be passing more and getting teammates better shots. I think it'll take a little time for this team, with so many new parts, to develop good chemistry. There flashes of that at end. Too bad AJ's clutch shot turned out not to be the winning shot.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/7/2022 11:45:21 PM 
Belmont shot 28% from three and 54% at the FT line.

This game was ours for the taking. Blowing the 14-6 lead early was a killer.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 6:22:13 AM 
After having a chance to sleep on it, I'm feeling incredibly optimistic about the season. Have to imagine that our offensive flow will improve. Decision making will improve. Lineup decisions will change (like the idea to go with three freshmen to blow the 15-6 lead early and give them momentum for the next 15 minutes of game time). And, we have yet to see AJ Brown.

Losing to a deep three at the buzzer hurts. The kid made a shot. Like someone else wrote previously: just gotta tip the cap to a shot like that.

It's gonna be a fun season.

Happy to see DW3 back in form. Beast
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 8:14:46 AM 
BurritoBuggy4 wrote:
After having a chance to sleep on it, I'm feeling incredibly optimistic about the season. Have to imagine that our offensive flow will improve. Decision making will improve. Lineup decisions will change (like the idea to go with three freshmen to blow the 15-6 lead early and give them momentum for the next 15 minutes of game time). And, we have yet to see AJ Brown.

Losing to a deep three at the buzzer hurts. The kid made a shot. Like someone else wrote previously: just gotta tip the cap to a shot like that.

It's gonna be a fun season.

Happy to see DW3 back in form. Beast


This is where I’m at. That lineup swap with the 15-6 lead hurt us the most. No one on the floor at that time wanted to be the go-to guy. I feel like that becomes Miles when AJB returns as a starter (to your point, silver lining).

I think Hunter and Baker will get more controlled/mesh well in time as a solid backcourt tandem. They can both make things happen. Would like to see Clayton insert himself more into the offense. The production was there preseason.

Side note — did Hadaway get in trouble or benched bc he taunted the crowd after his 3? Don’t remember seeing him much after the fact. I kinda liked that, made me think of Stevie Taylor — a once overly confident freshman who was a spark off the bench.

Excited to see how this team grows as the season goes on, we have the talent.

Last Edited: 11/8/2022 8:21:25 AM by FJC31

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 8:15:59 AM 
Tough loss for sure considering we had it in our hand. .3 seconds to inbound a ball and call a time out seems far fetched but, it's not exactly the Trent Tucker Rule or anything so, who knows?

I didn't have a problem with Brod's play at the end. His guy fell but, with that little amount of time, it's hard to make that switch. The Belmont guy hit a Vander Plas special...

Actually pretty happy with our play. Devon will need to hit more of his shots if we want to beat the better MAC teams. 5 of 16 probably won't cut it. I'm sure he already knows it. Dwight was the man and should get lots and lots of looks. Surprised he only played 24 minutes or so... Keep him rested and at his most effective performance level.

Couple of thoughts by some other posters were right on in my opinion. Belmont's shooting percentages were lower than they will be for the rest of the season but we couldn't take advantage. Also, the run Belmont made in the middle of the first half with our new guys in did hurt us. But, it's a great experience for the young guys to get singed by the fire. We will see how they respond...

Next up, Cleveland! Go Bobcats!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 8:59:27 AM 
Some random thoughts from the morning after:

1) Just a sloppy game overall on both sides, both teams looked like it was their first time on the floor this season. Couldn't really take much away from this game other than we have room for improvement in pretty much all areas.

2) After 1 game, my concerns with DW3 getting back to full strength appear to have been paranoia. He looked better than I remember and I think our offense can run through him. Struggled with the double team at first but you could see adjustments being made as he started to recognize the double team early and look for the open man from the post. Exciting to see him continue to build stamina and remind the MAC that he will be a presence down low.

3) OUr freshmen looked like you would expect in their first collegiate game. The potential/talent is evident but they need to get caught up to the speed/physicality of D1 hoops. Waiting for the scoop on AJ Brown, we'd all like to see what we have there.

4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.

5) I was surprised to see Jaylin Hunter play uncontrolled like he did. That 5th foul was just plain stupid and forced Sheldon to play in crunch time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:03:37 AM 
Thoughts from the game other than the ones already stated:

- 17 boards between Wilson and Clayton. I will take that every day of the week. IJ returning will be important as it adds another true big body to the mix

- No assists from the bench. That will need to change, esp since there is not a true go-to scorer coming off the bench at the moment

- When AJ returns, having 2 seniors come off the bench will be helpful (assuming Miles goes to the bench and becomes the 6th man), esp if one of the starting guards gets in foul trouble

- I am surprised we didn't see more of Adelodun in this game. In a game where it was clear that Belmont had more length overall, he seems like the player that could have helped, esp when you consider that it is his 3rd year in the program.

- Ballhandling really seemed like a struggle for us most of the game. Maybe I have been spoiled with having guys like Cooper, Simmons, Preston, and Sears over the last decade, but I cannot remember a game in recent memory that we either lost or nearly lost the ball because of sloppy dribbling or failure to secure a pass as I saw last night. I am sure some of that is first game of the season jitters and will clear up over the course of the year, but it was frustrating to watch.

- Sheppard is a great player. His length and quickness at PG is impressive and I think was the key to the game. We don't have anyone that can match up against that. I will be curious to see how the rest of his season goes and whether, as a 6'6" PG, he gets some NBA looks

- Tyson looks like he is going to have a bigtime freshman season for Belmont. Here's hoping we can get a big season from one or more of our freshmen.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:09:36 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:16:19 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.





Got this vibe a little bit as well. I have more faith in the current staff working with Baker than I did when Saul took over and had Bean.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:16:44 AM 
Boals Bullshit

Lineup:
Sheldon (Fr)
James (Fr)
BRod
Hadaway (Fr)
Gabe Wiz (first minutes at OU)

Score 15-6 Bobcats with 12:45 left in first half
sheldon blocked by about 3 people at once
Belmont Transition wide open 3 Make
15-9 - 12:20
Hadaway dribbles aimlessly into lane, gets stripped
layup
15-11 - 12:09
Timeout Ohio

SAME LINEUP RETURNS TO THE COURT!!

11:38 - Wiz Travel
11:24 - Belmont runs action, rim catch and layup for big man

15-13
11:07 - Wiz fade away bank shot flies off backboard/rim
11:01 - Layup
also, miraculously, a block on Brod and somehow Belmont retains possession???
15-15
Sub in Dwight/Miles/Hunter
10:52 - Wide open made 3
18-15 Belmont

12-0 run in less than 2 minutes.

This isn't a first year coach or a dominant recruiting class. You can't let this happen when youre a 5th year coach. Especially against a good team.

No coach is perfect but this type of stuff costs ohio time and time again. hindsight is 20/20 but this is just brutal.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:20:16 AM 
Tuesday morning thoughts:

1.) I'm sure Boals has regrets up 15-6 and then going down 18-6 with three true freshman on the floor. Can get away with that against UC-Clermont, but not on the road at Belmont in game one. I get a two minute run, but not a five minute run with these guys on the floor. That truly was the difference in the game.

2.) We put no man on the passer under the basket with 1.4 left to get the ball to half-court. That was a mistake.

3.) Whiz then is on the passer with 1.1 left but did nothing to distract the pass to Tyson.

4.) Adeledun barely hit the floor. If he doesn't play much this year, then when?

5.) Baker/Hunter: 8-25 from field. We can't beat Akron, Toledo and Kent with those numbers.

6.) Hunter needs to develop into a facilitator. Can't go through games where he only has one assist.

7.) The shooting form of Hunter and Baker make J Preston's release look like Pete Maravich.

8.) Still think he made a defensive blunder on last play of game, but good to see Brod make some clutch plays in the last ten minutes...including rebound that set up what should have been Clayton game-winner.

9) Ball-handling was a disaster. Too many TO's that led to transition points for Belmont.

10.) DW3...my god...what a beast. I think he'll have a chance to finish top five in FG% in country this year. His two missed shots was a block from an impossible angle and then a 3 footer. Guy is a true warrior. We can't lose him at all this year. Stay healthy big man.

11.) AJ Brown. Can't wait for this guy to get in the mix. Would have been a difference maker last night.

12.) Take care of business Saturday against Cleveland State and let's move on officially from this one.

Last Edited: 11/8/2022 9:21:54 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:20:30 AM 
FJC31 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.





Got this vibe a little bit as well. I have more faith in the current staff working with Baker than I did when Saul took over and had Bean.


I agree, I have faith in Boals that he can make it work. We need to establish our shooters so I say get the shots up early on and make adjustments down the road.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:26:34 AM 
Still a tough one to accept the morning after. My thoughts:

-I don't see the Bean Willis comparison. We brought Baker in specifically to be a scoring guard option. When all was said and done with our departures following last season, the clear need was someone who could create his own shot and be a primary scoring option. Many people on this board concurred. When Devon Baker pulls up and clanks a three with 25 seconds on the shot clock, then we'll talk.

-The Baker/Hunter duo is going to take some time to gel. Remember that Baker wasn't available for the Spain trip.

-I thought Belmont got away with a lot of jersey grabbing and other swiping contact especially against Wilson in the paint. This is just one example, but look at what all Dwight had to deal with without getting a call: https://twitter.com/OhioMBasketball/status/15897946718445...

-I hope Clayton has added something in his offensive game other than being a spot shooter. Post ups, mid range, drives. Didn't see it last night. He has at least seemed to improve his rebounding.

-The turnovers were disconcerting, but the worst are the ones where we secure a defensive rebound, then try to throw the outlet to a guard cutting up the floor, only for that pass to get intercepted before the ball even gets to the frontcourt. It's careless amateur level basketball and it happened a couple times last night.

-I was expecting worse from Wiz based off the Capital report, but he at least looked serviceable. The spin move and off hand shot he made looked good and he had another nice move that got called for a travel that I honestly didn't see.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:28:59 AM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.





Got this vibe a little bit as well. I have more faith in the current staff working with Baker than I did when Saul took over and had Bean.




I agree, I have faith in Boals that he can make it work. We need to establish our shooters so I say get the shots up early on and make adjustments down the road.


We need Baker to be somewhere between Bean and Bassett.

Last Edited: 11/8/2022 9:30:08 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:32:06 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Still a tough one to accept the morning after. My thoughts:



-I hope Clayton has added something in his offensive game other than being a spot shooter. Post ups, mid range, drives. Didn't see it last night. He has at least seemed to improve his rebounding.



Spot on. With his length, needs to show a post move and a baseline 8-12 foot jumper game. I honestly can't remember the last time he scored in the paint making a move. It's usually off an offensive board.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 9:48:33 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.



Unfortunately, it just looks likes he's volume shooter without much ability to run an offense. (Less than ONE assist per game over the last two seasons)

Throughout his career he shoots once about every 2.4 minutes, similar pace to Sears, only last year he shot 39% FG, compared to Sears 44%.

He also only shot 24% from 3.

I like he wasn't scared to shoot, there will be nights (last night) when we need some to shoot us out of a rut, BUT most of his shots were not within any semblance of an offense.

Someone has to be the PG. Didn't seem like any of the four last night wanted it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 10:11:53 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
Anyone know if Boals did post-game? I missed it. Looking at the replay....Tyson was Roderick man and Roderick got lost. Forced Baker to come out late on Tyson.

Sickening.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVMo8o9ocQ


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   Posted: 11/8/2022 11:43:51 AM 
A-townBound wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Anyone know if Boals did post-game? I missed it. Looking at the replay....Tyson was Roderick man and Roderick got lost. Forced Baker to come out late on Tyson.

Sickening.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsVMo8o9ocQ


Thanks for posting. I guess it's a rule, but not sure how you can catch the ball at mid-court....call timeout and then throw it 25 feet closer in front of your own bench on the inbounds.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 12:00:00 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Some random thoughts from the morning after:



4) Maybe its just me but I got some Bean Willis vibes from DeVon Baker.



I texted the same thing last night to an Ohio buddy. It's only one game, but 5-16 from the field won't have us beating the top 3 teams in the conference.




Someone has to be the PG. Didn't seem like any of the four last night wanted it.


I was expecting Hunter to be that guy. Hopefully everybody got the nerves out of the way and will play with more conviction moving forward. I think we came out tense and pretty much played that way the whole game. We should start to see them gel a bit more moving forward.

I also thought we looked pretty gassed, especially in the first half.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 1 Thread: Belmont
   Posted: 11/8/2022 12:47:38 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Still a tough one to accept the morning after. My thoughts:

-I don't see the Bean Willis comparison. We brought Baker in specifically to be a scoring guard option. When all was said and done with our departures following last season, the clear need was someone who could create his own shot and be a primary scoring option. Many people on this board concurred. When Devon Baker pulls up and clanks a three with 25 seconds on the shot clock, then we'll talk.

-The Baker/Hunter duo is going to take some time to gel. Remember that Baker wasn't available for the Spain trip.

-I thought Belmont got away with a lot of jersey grabbing and other swiping contact especially against Wilson in the paint. This is just one example, but look at what all Dwight had to deal with without getting a call: https://twitter.com/OhioMBasketball/status/15897946718445...

-I hope Clayton has added something in his offensive game other than being a spot shooter. Post ups, mid range, drives. Didn't see it last night. He has at least seemed to improve his rebounding.

-The turnovers were disconcerting, but the worst are the ones where we secure a defensive rebound, then try to throw the outlet to a guard cutting up the floor, only for that pass to get intercepted before the ball even gets to the frontcourt. It's careless amateur level basketball and it happened a couple times last night.

-I was expecting worse from Wiz based off the Capital report, but he at least looked serviceable. The spin move and off hand shot he made looked good and he had another nice move that got called for a travel that I honestly didn't see.


To be clear, I see where the Bean vibes come. However, I absolutely agree Baker was a necessary add that late in the portal season and we’re better off with than without. To FearLeon’s point, if he falls between a Bassett and Bean we’re in good shape. That seems more likely than another Bean.

Hunter/Baker also hit big 3’s when we really needed some offensive life.

Last Edited: 11/8/2022 12:48:20 PM by FJC31

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   Posted: 11/8/2022 1:13:17 PM 
We'll see how the season shakes out (how good Belmont really is) but I walk away from that feeling like it was a difficult way to lose but there's a lot to feel good about. I'm more encouraged than discouraged. So many new pieces, first true road game, and we fought back at the end and were less than two ticks from a W.

On to the next one.
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   Posted: 11/8/2022 1:40:09 PM 
This was a painful loss but not a really bad loss.

We shot terribly from 3 in the exhibition. We shot 45% in this game. I doubt we can keep that up. I hope we can come reasonably close but fear that we wont. We were 8-9 from the free throw line to which I would make the exact same comment.

The offense looked out of sync and chaotic for a lot of the game. I hope with all the new players that can get better quickly. I'd sure like to get more than 8 assists each game.
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