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Topic: RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Topic: RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

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GraffZ06
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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 1:38:18 PM

We still sit #364 in the nation (dead last) at 3pt% defense.

What's interesting is we are 10th in the nation in FEWEST amount of 3pt attempts against us (29.3% of possessions).

We collapse, rotate and double inside because teams shoot in and around the paint on us at will. Our guards are pathetic at stopping dribble penetration. Our guards AND forwards jump, lunge and fall for every perimeter shot fake allowing penetration and we have no bulk/size to body up people in the post or on the offensive boards.

This has led to fewer 3pt attempts but they are WIDE OPEN and knocking them down at nation worst levels when they do.

Everything about our defense is bad right now.

How to get better? Let's look at defensive box plus minus and % minutes played shall we?

1. Aidan Hadaway (+0.6), 73.2% minutes
2. Shereef Mitchell (+0.2), 26.8%
3. AJ Clayton (-0.6), 79.9%
4. Ajay Sheldon (-0.6), 50.9%
5. Vic Searls (-0.9), 43.4%
6. Elmore James (-1.1), 65.3%
7. AJ Brown (-1.5), 65.0%
8. Jackson Paveletzke (-2.6), 74.4%
9. Ayden Evans (-4.6), 2.5%
10. Elijah Elliott (-4.9), 18.7%

I'll let you draw your own conclusions from there.

Last Edited: 11/25/2024 1:39:34 PM by GraffZ06

FearLeon
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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 1:50:30 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Save the "But the transfer portal...." nonsense - every team in this event is basically in the same boat.

Well, that worked great. We finished 6th in an event where every team is battling the same transfer portal issues. Illinois State and James Madison have the same issues. At some point, you can't use this excuse.

And please for the love of god...no more saying...."We can't schedule games, because nobody wants to play us."

Those days are so long gone.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

GraffZ06
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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 2:05:04 PM

Victory wrote:

There was a time when we had some national pride.

If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.

QFT.

Some of us said something very similar to this back when the football v basketball arms races were heating up. We don't have enough $$ to be both a top 75 football team (who gets rewarded with insert random no-name bowl game against SW Alabama State) and a top 75 basketball team with legit chances for atlarge ncaa bids most years.

We said if we choose both then they likely both suffer in mid major mediocrity.

Welcome to it.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 2:22:07 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Victory wrote:

There was a time when we had some national pride.

If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.

ok fine. But we are getting run out of the gym by basketball teams in the very same situation. We can't even win at the also-ran level. No one is remotely saying we should be competing with the big boys but it's not too much to expect to compete with programs at our level and we can't even do that.

Last Edited: 11/25/2024 4:21:51 PM by ohiocatfan1

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 2:30:43 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Victory wrote:

There was a time when we had some national pride.

If the goal us to just beat up on a crappy conference then let's drop down to D2.

This isn't like an household entertainment budget that you chose to spend a certain amount on going to the movies, a certain amount on eating out, or a certain amount on more TV channels.

These dollars are supposed to be dollars that provide a return with respect to marketing and campus life. If we dropped tha football program we wouldn't suddenly have all that money to throw into basketball because the return on investment calculations wouldn't be the same. Plausibly, could have a decent amount more but probably nowhere near the existing football budget.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 4:37:15 PM

rollbobbies wrote:

CatsUp wrote:

On the subject of rebounding there are a couple of things that come to mind from my basketball days that I am wondering are even a thing nowadays.:

1.) �Following your shot�. Is this something that is stressed at all now or has it lost out to being in position to strike the best pose after a make?
2.) �Boxing out aggressively so that ones backside maintains physical contact with the opposing player�.

I remember being reminded of these two things probably more than anything else during practice back in the day. Really I don�t see this happening for most teams but IMHO we definitely need to put these into practice. Is there a concern about �getting burned� on the other end?

Curious to hear from anyone who knows more about this than I do. I�m sure there are many here. :)

On your first point, you are correct in saying that follow your shot is not really taught anymore, especially at the college and professional levels and probably most high school programs. For the exact reason you mentioned later in your post. The risk of getting burned in transition. Most coaches want 2-3 players starting to get back in transition right away after a shot (some more, some less depending on how aggressive the coach is in their rebounding/transition defense thinking), and the easiest way to do this is for the shooter and one or two players to consistently get back. The thinking is that a non-shooting player that can start crashing as the ball is shot is more likely to get an offensive rebound than the shooter that has to land and then build momentum towards the ball. As with any strategy, it doesn't always play out that way, but the thinking is that doing this consistently is the most efficient rebounding/transition defense strategy. And usually the more conservative strategy is employed more often when you play with more guards that aren't going to get many offensive rebounds over big guys that can go get offensive rebounds. In my opinion that is clearly the case with us, because we have fewer guys who could end up with the O-board, we probably opt to get back on defense to protect against easy buckets in transition.

On your second point, yeah it is important to box out. But when you play two big guys that are less athletic, shorter, and not as strong as other teams, along with having two small guards on the court at all times, you can box out however much you want. Sometimes you are going to get out sized to rebounds. I feel like that is the bigger issue with this team. We just don't have the size, length and athleticism to rebound with the teams we've competed with so far. It's not an effort issue, it's a style of play issue. As many others have stated, Boals has clearly chosen to play with more guards and shooting vs athleticism and size. That can benefit you in some ways, but is clearly hurting us in the rebounding battle on both ends. (This is my opinion, I'll be the first to admit I don't spend every possession making sure all 5 guys on the floor are boxing out, so it could be partially and effor issue, I just think size is the bigger issue).

Thanks for your response rb. Much appreciated. I agree the game has changed over the years. I even notice that officials seem to be calling box out plays differently. It used to be a player being boxed out would go up aggressively over the back of the player at their own risk. Being boxed out when doing that meant they might not land their feet. Now, it seems �the boxer� gets called for undercutting.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 5:42:15 PM

Really frustrating game, again. Just a really disappointing start to the season, though I had us 2-3 after Myrtle. But even the Asheville win was disappointing. Every game has been a disappointment except Portland when we actually hit 3s.

You all know my rants of our forwards, who I think are good and capable players in the paint, jacking 3s and hanging out on the perimeter. 90 of 189 attempted 3s are from our forwards. Clayton was 1 for 1 from 3, plus 2 drawing 2 fouls in the paint in which he hit all 4 free throws. This is a very common story. By all means be a dual threat, but let's balance it out. He should not attempt more 3s than 2s.

But that isn't even the story, it's the defense. We just keep giving way too many open looks. It's really discouraging to think we may just have bad defenders?

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 7:09:28 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Save the "But the transfer portal...." nonsense - every team in this event is basically in the same boat.

And please for the love of god...no more saying...."We can't schedule games, because nobody wants to play us."

Those days are so long gone.

Agree 100% Fear Leon on " we can't schedule games because nobody wants to play us." Kent is playing Bama and Auburn. Toledo is playing Houston and Purdue. Both of those programs seem to have no problem finding power four teams to play them. Complete BS on "nobody wants to play us."

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/25/2024 8:33:56 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Save the "But the transfer portal...." nonsense - every team in this event is basically in the same boat.

And please for the love of god...no more saying...."We can't schedule games, because nobody wants to play us."

Those days are so long gone.

I still don't see a reason to not believe Boals on this? If he says that they tried to get a game with every P5 and failed why would he lie. Because Toledo is playing two doesn't mean this is a lie.

Last Edited: 11/25/2024 8:35:11 PM by Victory

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/26/2024 10:08:16 AM

My guess is not because power four teams won�t schedule the Bobcats, but because Ohio doesn�t want to lose those games. A few years ago, Ohio had Michigan and Florida on the schedule. Two losses later and the last two seasons zero power four games on the schedule.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/26/2024 10:57:35 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Then why did we let Memphis buy us? That's more likely a loss than a lot of P5 teams.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/26/2024 3:45:14 PM

Victory wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Then why did we let Memphis buy us? That's more likely a loss than a lot of P5 teams.

How is it that Toledo and Kent have no problems getting games with Houston, Purdue, Alabama and Auburn? All of those schools are power four and top 15 programs. Kent and Toledo have been just as good or better than Ohio the last few years. The games are out there if they want to schedule a power four programs. Memphis is a solid team, but they are not a power four team like the four schools I mentioned above.

Last Edited: 11/26/2024 3:48:35 PM by Bobcat1996

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/26/2024 9:45:51 PM

Because Boals, for better or worse, wants 1 for 1s, or at least 2 for 1s. Maybe 2 away and a neutral. Getting p4 teams to go on the road is what's impossible.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/27/2024 11:47:25 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Because Boals, for better or worse, wants 1 for 1s, or at least 2 for 1s. Maybe 2 away and a neutral. Getting p4 teams to go on the road is what's impossible.

Bingo Graff! Ohio is not getting a 1 for 1 with a power four school.

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/28/2024 9:27:41 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Because Boals, for better or worse, wants 1 for 1s, or at least 2 for 1s. Maybe 2 away and a neutral. Getting p4 teams to go on the road is what's impossible.

Bingo Graff! Ohio is not getting a 1 for 1 with a power four school.

We signed a buy with Memphis who is not P4. Why would we expect 1 for 1 with a P5 who would be less willing because almost all have more money. It IS plausible that we ask for more money than nearly all mids because our home attendance is higher and we have more to lose in giving up a home game. That seems a lot more plausible. Memphis is a better team than a lot of P5s so we aren't afraid of a tough game. We have also played them in the past. Other MAC teams getting games is an indication that these games are out there underthe right circumstances. But we already know that without those specific examples. It is NOT an indication that we didn't try. The way people talk about scheduling on this board is like they think that it is easy. Sure, I don't know for sure that Boals isn't lying to us but I see no reason to jump to conspiracy theories. With P5s playing conference games, the made for TV P5 vs P5 matchups, and 360 D1 teams trying to get them these games are less available. And it isn't like picking up the phone as asking to play is all that has to happen. There have to be all sorts of other things worked out. They probably just didn't work out. That's the most reasonable explanation. Really, it is.

Last Edited: 11/28/2024 9:30:00 AM by Victory

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RE: Official Game 7 Thread: Texas St.

Posted: 11/28/2024 1:56:33 PM

Victory wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Because Boals, for better or worse, wants 1 for 1s, or at least 2 for 1s. Maybe 2 away and a neutral. Getting p4 teams to go on the road is what's impossible.

Bingo Graff! Ohio is not getting a 1 for 1 with a power four school.

Nobody said Boals is lying to us. Just not quite sure the basketball scheduling people are trying really hard to find power four road games. Kentucky is playing Wright St, Bucknell and Brown among a few others. Purdue is hosting N Ky., Yale, Toledo and Marshall. Those are two examples of power four programs in bordering states that are playing schools comparable to Ohio. There are plenty more examples out there.

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