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Maybe what Boals needs to do is sacrifice shooting/extending the floor in favor of getting bruisers in the paint on both sides of the court. You can't reach the NBA by being exclusively a back to the basket kind of player. Young players model their game off the people at the top. Everyone is trying to stretch the floor and wants to put up shots from deep. That's why Boals recruits the way he does. Clayton/Evans/Hadaway are all in that mold because that's what young players want to be and they were all 3 star recruits for that reason. You're the second person to suggest that Evans is in that mold. Is he a shooter? I just watched as many highlight videos as I could find, and none of them involved touches outside. They're just short clips from last year though, and may not be comprehensive. I would have thought Evans' best case is more of a Jon Smith/Flomo type. Not a big body, but long enough to rebound and change shots. FormerMember wrote: Sure, you can still find traditional centers but there's not a ton of them out there and the ones available at the mid-major level are typically raw and need more time to develop. Wiz was once high regarded. The miss rate on centers at our level is really high. This is definitely true. Agree with you here. A guy who is 6'11 is basically a top 100 recruit, and it means nothing. What I'd like to see is more big bodies, even if those bodies aren't that tall. Texas State wasn't a tall team, but they were much stronger than us. I think we're going to continue to struggle despite our talent for basically as long as we all have to pretend that Aiden Hadaway is a "big." He was a wing in high school and recruited as a wing. He's not quite skilled enough as a wing, so we have him playing up a position. FormerMember wrote: We definitely need more balance in that regard but would you rather recruit lesser players just because they're marginally better in the paint? What Boals needs to do better is develop his big men better and develop a tougher mentality down low. It doesn't need to just be fixed by recruiting. Coaching plays a role too. It feels like a false premise to suggest that my stance is we need to recruit lesser players. But we seem to consistently load up on wings and guards, and plenty of them don't hit. Last year, Cornish was basically a wasted roster spot. Ben Nicol hasn't played a minute. Burris is injured, but in that same wing mold. Our recruiting class next year includes two small forwards and two shooting guards. I get we're not gonna get the 7 footer unless he's a project. But we need more strength. It doesn't have to be a blue chip guy, and he doesn't have to be particularly talented. But somebody who can protect the paint and rebound at this point's far preferable to another 6'7 (in recruiting world, but actually 6'4) wing who is 180lbs. The team has had the exact same deficit for 2 seasons now. Just hoping Boals acknowledges that, and this isn't just a symptom of Boals ball. I agree with most of what you're saying. We don't necessarily need more size but we definitely need more physicality in the paint. It's a tough conversation for me because I agree with heavily targeting wings and guards at the mid-major level and think Boals is one of many coaches at this level with that type of strategy. He's had success with it but our upside is clearly limited without better forwards who can bring more consistency down low when our outside shooting is off. We'll see if Boals changes his recruiting priorities in future years. I still want to see more of the season play out before making major proclamations because I believe this roster will eventually figure things out in conference play. Last Edited: 11/27/2024 11:23:45 AM by FormerMember Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,496 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/27/2024 12:21:20 PM  We're aligned, I think. I'm all for talented wings/guards, and I'm a pretty big proponent of position-less basketball. But the teams that play that way have the flexibility to match other teams style, when needed. Golden State is obviously the most famous example, but everything they do hinges on Draymond Green's incredibly unique defensive versatility. Right now, we're basically asking Clayton to fulfill that role. He can't. And, worth noting, that every championship team Golden State had included a true 5 in the rotation, and often one in the starting 5, depending on matchup. Bogut and Ezeli gave them matchup flexibility, on top of Green's unicorn skill set. I still don't think we know if Boals is trying to build a "position-less" small ball team, or if he's just failing to sign true bigs. There are enough data points to suggest each that I think one could easily assume either is true. But I will say this: if the approach to bigs that we've seen on the court reflects his preference, I think we're in trouble. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,326 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/27/2024 2:27:19 PM  FormerMember wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: FormerMember wrote: I agree with your point about mobility and shooting but you often lose rim protection and rebounding when young players are more focused on those skills than being tough down low. Maybe what Boals needs to do is sacrifice shooting/extending the floor in favor of getting bruisers in the paint on both sides of the court. You can't reach the NBA by being exclusively a back to the basket kind of player. Young players model their game off the people at the top. Everyone is trying to stretch the floor and wants to put up shots from deep. That's why Boals recruits the way he does. Clayton/Evans/Hadaway are all in that mold because that's what young players want to be and they were all 3 star recruits for that reason. You're the second person to suggest that Evans is in that mold. Is he a shooter? I just watched as many highlight videos as I could find, and none of them involved touches outside. They're just short clips from last year though, and may not be comprehensive. I would have thought Evans' best case is more of a Jon Smith/Flomo type. Not a big body, but long enough to rebound and change shots. FormerMember wrote: Sure, you can still find traditional centers but there's not a ton of them out there and the ones available at the mid-major level are typically raw and need more time to develop. Wiz was once high regarded. The miss rate on centers at our level is really high. This is definitely true. Agree with you here. A guy who is 6'11 is basically a top 100 recruit, and it means nothing. What I'd like to see is more big bodies, even if those bodies aren't that tall. Texas State wasn't a tall team, but they were much stronger than us. I think we're going to continue to struggle despite our talent for basically as long as we all have to pretend that Aiden Hadaway is a "big." He was a wing in high school and recruited as a wing. He's not quite skilled enough as a wing, so we have him playing up a position. FormerMember wrote: We definitely need more balance in that regard but would you rather recruit lesser players just because they're marginally better in the paint? What Boals needs to do better is develop his big men better and develop a tougher mentality down low. It doesn't need to just be fixed by recruiting. Coaching plays a role too. It feels like a false premise to suggest that my stance is we need to recruit lesser players. But we seem to consistently load up on wings and guards, and plenty of them don't hit. Last year, Cornish was basically a wasted roster spot. Ben Nicol hasn't played a minute. Burris is injured, but in that same wing mold. Our recruiting class next year includes two small forwards and two shooting guards. I get we're not gonna get the 7 footer unless he's a project. But we need more strength. It doesn't have to be a blue chip guy, and he doesn't have to be particularly talented. But somebody who can protect the paint and rebound at this point's far preferable to another 6'7 (in recruiting world, but actually 6'4) wing who is 180lbs. The team has had the exact same deficit for 2 seasons now. Just hoping Boals acknowledges that, and this isn't just a symptom of Boals ball. I agree with most of what you're saying. We don't necessarily need more size but we definitely need more physicality in the paint. Ding...Ding....Ding. I'm not saying we always need to have a 6'10 guy every year in the paint. But man...even someone like Tylan Pope (Texas State)....6'6....6'7...240-250 wide body with muscle who rebounds. I believe Boals was counting on someone like this the last few years to be a Pope like player....who is even a little taller than Pope....his name is Bahamas Ezuma. Last Edited: 11/27/2024 2:28:42 PM by FearLeon #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top bobcat 2000 General User Member Since: 1/21/2006 Post Count: 196 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/27/2024 5:40:09 PM  jeff boals may have played for larry hunter but he,s most certainly not the recruiter larry hunter was.hunter brought in solid bigs like gary trent, curtis simmons, pat flomo, and diante flenorl. this was augmented with guards like gus jhonson, cory reed, and geno ford. these are the kind of players jeff needs to recruit in order to help with issues like 3 shot D and rebounding. Back to Top bobcat 2000 General User Member Since: 1/21/2006 Post Count: 196 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/27/2024 5:49:58 PM  if not then we,ll be reliving 1998. boals played for larry hunter and knew what larry was bringing in. jeff needs to start thinking about recruiting Gary trent diante flenorl devaugn washington type bigs. and supplement that with corey reed and gus jhonson like back court players. Back to Top BobcatWarrior General User Member Since: 11/4/2010 Post Count: 35 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/27/2024 8:20:29 PM  We need to find at least one hs post every year and also look to JUCO or "high-major"for transfer. Early indications are this is a need. A bit surprised by our seemingly lack of focus here. Boals' teams as a player thrived with solid bigs. I wonder if the transition of the game to a perimeter game leaves less "posts" to recruit. Curious why nobody has looked at Andrew Hoerner of Miamisburg. 3rd Team All-State D1 as a junior. Plays high- level AAU. 6'8". Only offer I can find is D2 Ashland?! Saw him play tonight. Skilled, fundamentally, VERY nice shooter mid range and out. Good instincts to block shots and on D. I must be missing something. I see D1 player. Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Buffalo Grove, IL Post Count: 1,152 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/28/2024 5:16:35 PM  Watching Illinois play today. Underwood looks like he’s broken the code by recruiting bigs from Eastern Europe and a guard from Canada. He’s got a 7’1” Center who can board and hit from three. He also has a 6’6” F from Lithuania who is a solid guy on the wing. The PG from Canada has decent handles, can drive, finish or dish. It’s a total remade roster. Maybe our guys need to expand their recruiting pond? "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top FJC31 General User Member Since: 3/31/2022 Post Count: 1,460 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/28/2024 6:28:06 PM  El Gato Roberto wrote: Watching Illinois play today. Underwood looks like he’s broken the code by recruiting bigs from Eastern Europe and a guard from Canada. He’s got a 7’1” Center who can board and hit from three. He also has a 6’6” F from Lithuania who is a solid guy on the wing. The PG from Canada has decent handles, can drive, finish or dish. It’s a total remade roster. Maybe our guys need to expand their recruiting pond? Watched this game as well. Jakucionis and Ivisic are nice, combined for 44 points tonight. We did offer Alan Gballou who was from Paris. I agree, though. Would love to see an international recruiting channel open more. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,218 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/28/2024 7:27:00 PM  Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada. Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program. Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Buffalo Grove, IL Post Count: 1,152 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/28/2024 7:33:11 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada. Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program. That’s pretty smart. I hope we can adjust our targets. "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,823 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/29/2024 6:53:47 AM  bobcat 2000 wrote: if not then we,ll be reliving 1998. boals played for larry hunter and knew what larry was bringing in. jeff needs to start thinking about recruiting Gary trent diante flenorl devaugn washington type bigs. and supplement that with corey reed and gus jhonson like back court players. Thos guys are 50 years old now, not sure they could help us right now. Though Gary’s ball handling has improved. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,797 Status: Offline     RE: Recruiting Bigs    Posted: 11/29/2024 1:33:19 PM  El Gato Roberto wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada. Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program. That’s pretty smart. I hope we can adjust our targets. Not only that, legally you can't pay them NIL funds since they are here for the collegiate experience. Seems to be a cheaper and more effective route to go when it comes to finding bigs. 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