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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 9:21:00 AM 
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 1:50:12 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I see many references to 1 more year on Jeff’s contract and a “lame duck season,” but I’m told from a source that I would assume would know, that he actually has 2 years left on his deal. FYI


You can thank the former female AD for that high pay extension. He has two more seasons thanks to her. I had no problem giving Coach Boals a few more years but to reward him as the top paid mens hoops coach in the league was another one of her huge blunders!


The gender of the AD has nothing to do with the quality of decisions. I’m not here to defend the former AD, in hindsight, there were multiple poor decisions and in some ways, you were a pioneer in recognizing that. My issue is that you continuously call out the “female” part, it has absolutely nothing do to with the place we are in. Do you have that much of an issue with women in power? I don’t even think people would be that upset if your argument had been “the former AD made multiple poor decisions”, but you continuously throw gender into the mix in a way that is completely irrelevant.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 5:53:00 PM 
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 7:54:55 PM 
I wouldn’t go as far to say I’ve heard the administration doesn’t care about winning basketball games, but I’ve heard major shakeup is coming.

Every budget, including football, took a major (around 10%) cut this year. Members of their “athletics executive team” have been fired with more to come. High turnover. It’s going to look very very different.

Maybe it’s good.

GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.
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   Posted: 4/4/2026 8:14:30 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 8:40:24 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


Not all sources are created equal. I don't trust your source. You need to double source this, before I'd come close to believing it.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/4/2026 9:03:32 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


I know most people here seem to have a hard time grasping this, but revenue share changes the economics of college basketball dramatically, and I don't see how anybody can make a compelling case that Boals isn't overpaid at this point.

His salary represents a ridiculous percentage of the program's operating budget, and the on-the-floor results haven't increased revenue. His contract was negotiated at a time when revenue couldn't be shared with players, and there are coaches in the same conference as Boals, employed by state schools in the same state, that get better results for demonstrably less money.

Spending less will undoubtedly make it harder to attract and excellent coach; but both Saul and Boals were brought in under a philosophy of paying as the top job in the conference, and we now have 12 years of mediocre results from that approach.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/5/2026 4:25:41 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


Not all sources are created equal. I don't trust your source. You need to double source this, before I'd come close to believing it.


You're absolutely right not all sources are equal. I know mine has access to information and trust them, otherwise I never would have shared - but I get that you and others don't, so skepticism is fine. You don't have to believe it's gospel. Just treat it as a data point as things move forward.
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   Posted: 4/5/2026 7:21:49 AM 
Certainly doesn't align with the fact that the university found a decent amount of money to help Boals populate next year's team. When he speaks of a culture change he means we're going to adopt the Akron model.

As for organizational changes, yes, I'm sure they're coming. That's what happens when a new AD comes in. Perhaps your "source" is threatened by that, as were a few staffers when the previous AD made structural changes. One change I know is happening is the transition of all fundraising activities to the University Development staff. Not a fan of that myself, but I'm sure Slade is following direction from above.



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   Posted: 4/5/2026 10:06:05 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


I know most people here seem to have a hard time grasping this, but revenue share changes the economics of college basketball dramatically, and I don't see how anybody can make a compelling case that Boals isn't overpaid at this point.

His salary represents a ridiculous percentage of the program's operating budget, and the on-the-floor results haven't increased revenue. His contract was negotiated at a time when revenue couldn't be shared with players, and there are coaches in the same conference as Boals, employed by state schools in the same state, that get better results for demonstrably less money.

Spending less will undoubtedly make it harder to attract and excellent coach; but both Saul and Boals were brought in under a philosophy of paying as the top job in the conference, and we now have 12 years of mediocre results from that approach.


This I agree with, the rest just seems like another questionable Graff post. I just don’t buy that administration doesn’t care about wins and losses. Part of their job success is tied to it. I can believe not wanting to pay Boals’ buyout, however.

Kind of weird to reference Ohio baseball. I don’t even pay attention to it, but is not Andrew See’s first season? Sounds like administration isn’t knee jerk reacting over a transitional rebuild year.

As for coaches salaries — everyone should check out KC Smurthwaite on X. Over the last few weeks he’s posted coach’s salaries, expenses, revenue, etc., across the landscape. Even bonuses.

Here are some MAC tidbits:

https://x.com/kcsmurthwaite/status/2040586465353363546?s=...
https://x.com/kcsmurthwaite/status/2035831824497484061?s=...
https://x.com/kcsmurthwaite/status/2038014518413115573?s=...
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   Posted: 4/5/2026 10:07:21 AM 
SBH wrote:
Certainly doesn't align with the fact that the university found a decent amount of money to help Boals populate next year's team. When he speaks of a culture change he means we're going to adopt the Akron model.

As for organizational changes, yes, I'm sure they're coming. That's what happens when a new AD comes in. Perhaps your "source" is threatened by that, as were a few staffers when the previous AD made structural changes. One change I know is happening is the transition of all fundraising activities to the University Development staff. Not a fan of that myself, but I'm sure Slade is following direction from above.





What exactly is the Akron model? Might also explain why Boals recently started following Sharron Young.
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   Posted: 4/5/2026 12:40:40 PM 
Buy your team every year. No more focus on four-year recruits.
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   Posted: 4/5/2026 6:56:27 PM 
SBH wrote:
Buy your team every year. No more focus on four-year recruits.


This seems in line with the departures we've seen. Frankly, it also seems better aligned with Boals/his staff's talents. There's definitely been inconsistent results identifying & developing high school talent, but they've been able to get good results out of older transfers for the most part.
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   Posted: 4/6/2026 7:59:50 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
SBH wrote:
Buy your team every year. No more focus on four-year recruits.


This seems in line with the departures we've seen. Frankly, it also seems better aligned with Boals/his staff's talents. There's definitely been inconsistent results identifying & developing high school talent, but they've been able to get good results out of older transfers for the most part.


I get continuity and culture being desired, but that’s been tossed to wayside for years since NIL/Portal. For a staff that hasn’t been able to develop, this should be the recruiting strategy.

The flip side of that is, why develop for someone else to poach? We should be the ones going for older transfers from all levels.
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   Posted: 4/6/2026 9:33:05 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
I heard from a source that the administration is upset, but it has nothing to do with the record and everything to do with the amount of $ being spent on basketball - a big chunk of which is Boals contract, which they disagree with.

I got the feeling the general sentiment is they think he's way overpaid and have been planning to let him walk once the contract runs out, regardless of any wins and losses.

The admin does not prioritize wins or losses in anything but football, because football is the only sport operating financially in the black. So they're running it like a business. Support the department that keeps you afloat (in their opinion). They can't "cut" the other departments (sports) because they have to stay D1. But they also don't have to fund them or care. And they won't. And they don't.

I was told specifically - the admin could not care less if any other sports team wins 0 games or 30 games. 1 football game at OSU net them $2.5M. Basketball or baseball don't make that in 5 years combined. So, just reign in their budgets.

Boals contract is at odds with that philosophy. He's gone no matter what. And he knows it too. Might play a small part in that "he's mailed it in" feeling some have. Also explains the lack of staff shakeup. Also explains why he's not on any "hot seat" per se - because they aren't spending a nickel on any buy-outs.

I think Jeff and staff are still truly trying to win games. It just won't matter in the end - and I'm sure some of that stings when it's coming from your alma mater.

And if you think going 15-17 is bad? Wait until you see this team with the next staff. Baseball team is currently 6-25. Admin is perfectly fine with it. They'll be fine when the basketball team's record is similar as well. Buckle up.


I know most people here seem to have a hard time grasping this, but revenue share changes the economics of college basketball dramatically, and I don't see how anybody can make a compelling case that Boals isn't overpaid at this point.

His salary represents a ridiculous percentage of the program's operating budget, and the on-the-floor results haven't increased revenue. His contract was negotiated at a time when revenue couldn't be shared with players, and there are coaches in the same conference as Boals, employed by state schools in the same state, that get better results for demonstrably less money.

Spending less will undoubtedly make it harder to attract and excellent coach; but both Saul and Boals were brought in under a philosophy of paying as the top job in the conference, and we now have 12 years of mediocre results from that approach.


It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.
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   Posted: 4/6/2026 11:48:49 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Monthly? He was given that contract in 2021 and it's 2026 now. Anything change in college basketball during that period of time that you can think of? Like, for instance, did the entire landscape change and the economics of the sport change completely?

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


Nobody is suggesting this happen. We're suggesting Boals be fired because he's making more than 1) the results justify, 2) peers of his that outperform him and 3) it makes sense to pay him given new revenue share realities.


M.D.W.S.T wrote:

He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.


Good.

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   Posted: 4/6/2026 12:08:17 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Monthly? He was given that contract in 2021 and it's 2026 now. Anything change in college basketball during that period of time that you can think of? Like, for instance, did the entire landscape change and the economics of the sport change completely?

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


Nobody is suggesting this happen. We're suggesting Boals be fired because he's making more than 1) the results justify, 2) peers of his that outperform him and 3) it makes sense to pay him given new revenue share realities.


M.D.W.S.T wrote:

He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.


Good.



So are you just complaining to complain or advocating for coaches to pay back their salary based on yearly results and changing landscapes?

Coaches sign contract extensions after successful seasons literally all the time. A contract is a contract. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The only way out of that is by firing them. They're not firing him in April on the last year of his deal. Do we need another 20 pages of airing of grievances?
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   Posted: 4/6/2026 1:21:59 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Monthly? He was given that contract in 2021 and it's 2026 now. Anything change in college basketball during that period of time that you can think of? Like, for instance, did the entire landscape change and the economics of the sport change completely?

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


Nobody is suggesting this happen. We're suggesting Boals be fired because he's making more than 1) the results justify, 2) peers of his that outperform him and 3) it makes sense to pay him given new revenue share realities.


M.D.W.S.T wrote:

He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.


Good.



So are you just complaining to complain or advocating for coaches to pay back their salary based on yearly results and changing landscapes?

Coaches sign contract extensions after successful seasons literally all the time. A contract is a contract. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The only way out of that is by firing them. They're not firing him in April on the last year of his deal. Do we need another 20 pages of airing of grievances?


I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable when people criticize Boals. Maybe avoid this thread?
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GraffZ06
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/6/2026 2:56:20 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Monthly? He was given that contract in 2021 and it's 2026 now. Anything change in college basketball during that period of time that you can think of? Like, for instance, did the entire landscape change and the economics of the sport change completely?

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


Nobody is suggesting this happen. We're suggesting Boals be fired because he's making more than 1) the results justify, 2) peers of his that outperform him and 3) it makes sense to pay him given new revenue share realities.


M.D.W.S.T wrote:

He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.


Good.



So are you just complaining to complain or advocating for coaches to pay back their salary based on yearly results and changing landscapes?

Coaches sign contract extensions after successful seasons literally all the time. A contract is a contract. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The only way out of that is by firing them. They're not firing him in April on the last year of his deal. Do we need another 20 pages of airing of grievances?


The point I was trying to make is for all the complaining and gnashing of teeth we see here about records vs certain opponents or player progression or recruiting from a limited region to players going on trips etc. That NONE of that ultimately matters.

Boals is done here when his contract is up and its up because of one thing. His salary.

You think we are going to pay Darrel from Iowa 500k rather than Boals 600k? Nah. I'm saying instead we're going to pay John from South Dakota 250k. And then forget about him and the team until his contract is up.

Football is king. Nothing else matters.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/6/2026 8:13:43 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:


The point I was trying to make is for all the complaining and gnashing of teeth we see here about records vs certain opponents or player progression or recruiting from a limited region to players going on trips etc. That NONE of that ultimately matters.

Boals is done here when his contract is up and its up because of one thing. His salary.

You think we are going to pay Darrel from Iowa 500k rather than Boals 600k? Nah. I'm saying instead we're going to pay John from South Dakota 250k. And then forget about him and the team until his contract is up.

Football is king. Nothing else matters.


I know you have a source who claims this, but it feels far too black and white to me.

According to the Miami fan post, Boals was complaining about "only" having a $600k revenue share budget. If that's accurate -- and I suspect it's at least directionally accurate -- that's pretty strong.

For reference, here are the audited athletics budget figures from 2023: https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Reports/2024/Ohio_Uni... . Basketball had a total operating budget of $2.9m.

Given that, it's almost certain that if Boals had $600k to spend on revenue share the overall budget was increased ahead of last season.

We absolutely should pay the next coach less. But that's because you can get better results from that money by spending it on players, instead. Boals made ~$700k the last couple of years.

What would you rather have: a $700k coach with $600k to spend on players, or a $400k coach with $900k to spend on players?
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   Posted: 4/7/2026 10:54:54 AM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:

It seems as though most people think contracts should be negotiated monthly.

From the Albin stuff that still persists, to Boals now being overpaid.


Monthly? He was given that contract in 2021 and it's 2026 now. Anything change in college basketball during that period of time that you can think of? Like, for instance, did the entire landscape change and the economics of the sport change completely?

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

Boals was given a contract extension not long after his mediocre result of winning an NCAA tournament game and a MAC title.


You don't go back and say sorry pal, I need half that back. I realize you're making the 4th highest salary, but I expect more than 5th highest results. Please write me a check for $200K.

This... is just not how anything works.


Nobody is suggesting this happen. We're suggesting Boals be fired because he's making more than 1) the results justify, 2) peers of his that outperform him and 3) it makes sense to pay him given new revenue share realities.


M.D.W.S.T wrote:

He'll likely be let quit at the end of next season, and then we can go back to arguing why we're paying Darrel from Iowa $500K instead of paying Boals $600K.


Good.



So are you just complaining to complain or advocating for coaches to pay back their salary based on yearly results and changing landscapes?

Coaches sign contract extensions after successful seasons literally all the time. A contract is a contract. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. The only way out of that is by firing them. They're not firing him in April on the last year of his deal. Do we need another 20 pages of airing of grievances?


“They’re not firing him on the last year of his deal.” Is this the last year or does Coach Boals have two seasons left? Some have suggested he has two years???
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   Posted: 4/7/2026 11:48:10 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Chicken George wrote:
I see many references to 1 more year on Jeff’s contract and a “lame duck season,” but I’m told from a source that I would assume would know, that he actually has 2 years left on his deal. FYI


You can thank the former female AD for that high pay extension. He has two more seasons thanks to her. I had no problem giving Coach Boals a few more years but to reward him as the top paid mens hoops coach in the league was another one of her huge blunders!


Thanks for one of the most novel and original groundbreaking posts that I’ve ever seen on BA. Truly POY (post of the year) material. You are truly educating the Bobcat masses!


Simply stating the truth OCF! While you and others continue to give the former AD a hall pass on her many blunders, I see no reason to compliment her on these huge mistakes. I don’t blame Coach Boals for accepting the top salary she offered, but why did she make him the top paid coach in the league at the time based on his performance at Ohio?
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   Posted: 4/7/2026 11:55:58 AM 
You do know that an AD doesn't make moves such as this without direction from the president and/or BOT. I can certainly believe they told her not to let Boals get away after beating Virginia in the NCAA tournament. I know it hurts you that leadership was far less enamored of Timmy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/7/2026 1:28:20 PM 
SBH wrote:
You do know that an AD doesn't make moves such as this without direction from the president and/or BOT. I can certainly believe they told her not to let Boals get away after beating Virginia in the NCAA tournament. I know it hurts you that leadership was far less enamored of Timmy.



You and others can consistently complain about Boals and the bad situation the basketball program is in. However, when I bring up the huge blunders and mistakes the former AD made, then I’m ridiculed. The truth is that the former AD refused to realize that her best hire was Albin. And yes the President, played a part in this also. This would not have happened on Rod McDavis or Nellis watch. Have no problem with Boals being renewed, but to make him the top paid coach in the league at the time was a huge mistake. Look at the results over his first five seasons. Annual fifth seed performances are worthy of being the top paid coach in the conference? Look at the football coach’s results over his first four seasons. No league coach won more conference games during his four year tenure as head coach. The football coach had accomplished unprecedented success for Ohio University. Not to mention that the football coach had dedicated 20 seasons to Ohio University. Keep complimenting the former AD on those blunders! In a power four conference, the people that made those huge mistakes would be dismissed. If you want to call that leadership, then you and I have different descriptions of leadership.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Jeff Boals!
   Posted: 4/7/2026 2:47:45 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


We absolutely should pay the next coach less. But that's because you can get better results from that money by spending it on players, instead. Boals made ~$700k the last couple of years.

What would you rather have: a $700k coach with $600k to spend on players, or a $400k coach with $900k to spend on players?


This of course presumes that anyone wants to play for one of the least paid coaches in college basketball and that person can actually sell them on playing here.

I'm with you man. We're aligned on 90% of this situation. But this is just too simplistic of a view. I don't for a second think its as easy as fire this guy, money pool holds, now you have free money to spend on all these better players.

- One, you actually have to find a better coach and sell him on making far less than his predecessor because your new view is, I'm gonna pay you less, so we can pay players more.
- Two, this new guy actually needs to find, and recruit better players. We've talked about it ad nauseum, but the actual recruiting aspect of the job isn't being done well enough. Budgetary restrictions, I don't know. But it's not currently working. And we don't know that it will improve under a guy with less of a resume and less regional ties than Boals. Or that the money for that even exists.
- Three, you have to hope our small pool money doesn't follow Boals out the door.
- Four, you have to hope a young, unproven coach can handle the job of managing multiple six-figure egos, when he himself is barely making more.

That's a lot of hope. That's a lot of assuming players are driven only by cash. And maybe they are. But that's a lot for a low paid coach to deal with in addition to maintaining OU's historical, successful relevance in the MAC.
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