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Boals: $600K Stuff: $200K Players: $700K --------------- Budget: $1.5M I just fundamentally disagree that eliminating Boals off the line item is in any way as simplistic as being displayed in this thread. This isn't even about Boals. This is about saying publicly we are no longer paying coaches to come here. We're taking who ever will take us. 35 Year Old Cleatus Macfarland: $300K Stuff: $200K Players: $700K --------------- FREE MONEY No. I'm not really sure what there is to disagree with. And I'm not really sure what's even remotely controversial about what I'm saying. Look at the other best programs in the conference: Toledo, Kent, Akron, and Miami. And look at how their coaches salaries evolved. They brought in coaches for way less than Boals' salary, they were successful and got raises. The same happened with Boals' -- though to a lesser degree (his starting salary was already quite high relatively). So when/if we replace Boals, it's unclear to me why we need to pay somebody the same amount we are paying Boals. Nobody else in the conference does that until their coach has had success. M.D.W.S.T wrote: People are really talking about their desire to just be a 2 year stop on a 35 year old coaches resume? Good lord I hate that. No, but we're making them earn the salary. They have success, you pay to keep them. But you don't pay for past success for longer than you need to, and that's what's happening with Boals right now. We have to be ruthless about how we spend money cause we don't have a ton of it. Last Edited: 4/9/2026 11:13:46 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,700 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/9/2026 10:39:17 AM  It'll be interesting to see what Travis Steele's new contract number is once it's announced. There are rumors that it'll be in the $700 to $1 million range. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,655 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/9/2026 10:50:34 AM  TWT wrote: What are the permissible sources for revenue sharing? Can you guess what is allowable and what isn't? Donor Contributions Basketball Budget Marketing Dollars Student Fees Bond Issuance Commerial Loans University Reserves Journalism School Budget President's Salary Athletic Director's Salary The answer is any of the above is allowable. I don't think that's true, is it? At least, it's not true relative to the House v. NCAA settlement that led to the revenue share agreement. That clearly defined shareable revenue. In the settlement, those categories are labelled as 1, 7, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 15, and 19. Basically, it seems like the "shareable" revenue excludes student fees & private donations. TWT wrote: The university no problem can cough up the additional 300k for Boals rev share budget. Its just they don't want to do so and want Boals to overachieve on the budget he has first before signing off on more. They increased the budget substantially over the last two years. Back to Top QuantCat General User Member Since: 7/15/2025 Post Count: 38 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/9/2026 11:28:46 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: way less than Boals' salary, they were successful and got raises. The same happened with Boals' -- thought to a lesser degree (his starting salary was already quite high relatively). No, but we're making them earn the salary. They have success, you pay to keep them. But you don't pay for past success for longer than you need to, and that's what's happening with Boals right now. We have to be ruthless about how we spend money cause we don't have a ton of it. To prevent the quotes from getting longer than they already are, responding here. I don’t think we actually fundamentally disagree on anything in this, just acknowledging different approaches. The thing that stuck out to me is that Ohio may have played a role in the MAC coaching arms race taking off. There was a time where Jeff became the highest payed coach in the conference, then when teams like Akron, Kent, and Toledo had success against him, that salary was used as leverage until they all caught up. In some ways, that is kind of our fault. It just seems as though with the current state of MAC play, the cat is out of the bag and there is a clear divide between the schools who don’t pay their coaches a high % and those who do. On the front porch theory, the basketball specific use cases for mid majors would be the SDSU, FAU, Loyola, and the original use case was George Mason. I don’t have the specific numbers in front of me, but the George Mason case saw 2x-3x increases in applications, subsequent increases in basketball revenue, and a rush of donor support. The others I mentioned may or may not have use cases written out. Even in the Miami case, that data might not even be available for 2 years, at which point the numbers may or may not even support the theory. Some of the cases are very real, but it’s incredibly hard to actually make that happen. To support your thinking, I can see a world where an Ohio pays $300K-$350K, allocates the extra $400K to have a more than $1M player roster every year, then sells the program to coaches as a career launchpad. You’d have a program with tradition, consistently great fan support and attendance relative to peers, and we will set you up with everything you need to succeed at a high level. The incentive is that you’re given every tool to succeed and have a much better chance at furthering your coaching career and getting to the next place. In the rev share era of college athletics, coaches will have to realize that being setup for success can be a better long term opportunity and investment than taking a higher paying job where you are setup to fail. The cons of that approach would be that you are taking on massive risk and essentially forfeiting current salary (although let’s be honest most people would be thrilled to make $350K in a lower cost of living area like Athens) in the hopes that it will pay off with a bigger job. Even if you have a good case to sell to coaches, more often than not money talks and you’d have a hard time finding the right coach. The other risk (which is kind of a risk now) is that if the plan works, you are now hiring a new coach every 2-3 years, hiring is hard, and inevitably there will be a bad hire. The final potential risk to this is the whole thing of can MAC schools actually act as a career launchpad in this day and age? The MAC has had some really great coaches for years now in Sendy, Todd K, Steele, and Groce. At this moment, 3 out of the 4 have been unable to get the next job, and the other had to make what was essentially a lateral move in the hopes of being able to get the bigger job. I think Charleston is a good example, where the draw as a coach is that they have had 3 coaches in 5 years who all moved onto bigger and better jobs (BC, Louisville, USF). Groce at Akron wasn’t getting the next opportunity despite having all of the resources to succeed and most importantly succeeding, yet couldn’t get better than Charleston. This approach hinges on selling the ability to move up, but is that even possible in the MAC now? Overall there is a compelling case to trying to innovate, but it comes with substantial risk. I don’t even hate the idea but college athletics administrators tend to not love taking those kinds of risks. It’s also tough given that the cat seems to be out of the bag in the good MAC programs paying their coaches. The real solution is that we need one of the bobcatattackers to become a billionaire and fund OU athletics and we aren’t even having this conversation. We can dream! Last Edited: 4/9/2026 11:32:38 AM by QuantCat Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,655 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/9/2026 11:47:25 AM  QuantCat wrote: It’s also tough given that the cat seems to be out of the bag in the good MAC programs paying their coaches. I agree that we're basically fully aligned over all, so don't want to belabor the point. The one thing I'd say is that the above statement needs a bit of a qualifier. I think MAC programs have shown they'll pay proven coaches. But for the most part, first contracts seem to be in the same range and have a pretty low ceiling (~$450k or so). In fact, I think Ohio is basically the only program who has varied there; Boals' first contract was quite a bit higher than that, and his base only increased by about $100k after the tournament win. Back to Top bobcat 2000 General User Member Since: 1/21/2006 Post Count: 281 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/10/2026 4:24:51 PM  things have definetly changed. years ago when larry hunter was coach we has a coach who was in it for the long haul . if he were alive hed have stayed as coach no matter what. and we wouldnt have had to pay him a small fortune to do it. the problem we had with hunter is when gary trent left early for the nba and we lost curtiss simmons and another player the following year. that set the stage for the infamous 5-21 season of 1998. that is why he got fired eventually. not surprised about it though. he couldve made some better decisons knowing he was gonna lose trent to the nba and simmons the following year. some higher level recruiting and stronger conditioning couldve addressed the issue and we could probably have avoided that disaster season Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,700 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/10/2026 6:07:25 PM  bobcat 2000 wrote: things have definetly changed. years ago when larry hunter was coach we has a coach who was in it for the long haul . if he were alive hed have stayed as coach no matter what. and we wouldnt have had to pay him a small fortune to do it. the problem we had with hunter is when gary trent left early for the nba and we lost curtiss simmons and another player the following year. that set the stage for the infamous 5-21 season of 1998. that is why he got fired eventually. not surprised about it though. he couldve made some better decisons knowing he was gonna lose trent to the nba and simmons the following year. some higher level recruiting and stronger conditioning couldve addressed the issue and we could probably have avoided that disaster season Should have given him a few more years to right the ship, IMHO. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Athens General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 5,454 Status: Offline     RE: Fire Jeff Boals!    Posted: 4/11/2026 4:09:39 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: TWT wrote: What are the permissible sources for revenue sharing? Can you guess what is allowable and what isn't? Donor Contributions Basketball Budget Marketing Dollars Student Fees Bond Issuance Commerial Loans University Reserves Journalism School Budget President's Salary Athletic Director's Salary The answer is any of the above is allowable. I don't think that's true, is it? At least, it's not true relative to the House v. NCAA settlement that led to the revenue share agreement. That clearly defined shareable revenue. In the settlement, those categories are labelled as 1, 7, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 15, and 19. Basically, it seems like the "shareable" revenue excludes student fees & private donations. TWT wrote: The university no problem can cough up the additional 300k for Boals rev share budget. Its just they don't want to do so and want Boals to overachieve on the budget he has first before signing off on more. They increased the budget substantially over the last two years. I reviewed the text on the settlement and it specifically says private donations are allowable if that donation is given to the athletic department who then sees fit on how those funds are distributed. This a footnote at the bottom of page 12 of the document. Quote: Associated Entities and Individuals will be allowed to make indirect payments to student- athletes for their NIL by making contributions to the schools, which can then make payments to student-athletes. https://swimswam.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Grant-Hou... I didn't see anything on student fees in the document but universities can set student fees at their discretion and use them to the extent they feel necessary for their operations. 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