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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/21/2022 1:43:10 PM 
A friend of mine emailed a story about "racial and derogatory actions" at 2 separate residence halls.

Here's the link www.ohio.edu/news/2022/03/ohio-university-reaffirms-commi...

Just wonder if anyone knows the "back story" ?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/21/2022 6:16:14 PM 
Found it on Twitter. Photos here: https://twitter.com/_eciruam/status/1505955352101244935?t...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/21/2022 7:31:22 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Found it on Twitter. Photos here: https://twitter.com/_eciruam/status/1505955352101244935?t...


Thanks !
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/21/2022 11:33:56 PM 
Also on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CbYIs7EJieQ/?utm_source=ig_we...

Just disgusting and I hope they punish these miserable excuses for human beings for these heinous actions.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 6:51:53 AM 
There's a pretty extensive article in today's (3/22) The Post
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 9:33:01 AM 
Cellis033 wrote:
Also on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CbYIs7EJieQ/?utm_source=ig_we...

Just disgusting and I hope they punish these miserable excuses for human beings for these heinous actions.


Apparently one of the culprits/assholes is a (hopefully former) member of the baseball team. Frankly, he should be on his way home.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 10:25:37 AM 
SBH wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
Also on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CbYIs7EJieQ/?utm_source=ig_we...

Just disgusting and I hope they punish these miserable excuses for human beings for these heinous actions.


Apparently one of the culprits/assholes is a (hopefully former) member of the baseball team. Frankly, he should be on his way home.



Idk if this is true but apparently it was a freshman pitcher. Isn’t very good at pitching / bench player

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 11:23:51 AM by Ryan Carey


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 10:39:37 AM 
I saw that name on Twitter, but was hesitant (and think we should be hesitant on BA) to name names until there's more clarity. On Twitter somebody suggested that he was responsible for pissing on the RA's door, but unclear if or how that's related to the other incident, and would be really careful about linking the two based on the little information we have right now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 10:45:47 AM 
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 12:38:32 PM 
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 2:23:23 PM 
Went down the twitter rabbit hole and read any thread I could find. Found threads from the victims explaining what they believe happened. Seemed like the most reliable source.

All I can say is I'm not so sure the urination was influenced by race. It very well could have been but from the information available and posted by the victim, nothing directly ties the act to racial discrimination. The RA immediately went straight to "I'm the only RA of color" instead of any information as it relates to the relationship between the perpetrator and RA.

Now if more information comes out later that provides more context such as the student had made racist remarks towards the RA previously, then obviously it was racially fueled. The RA did not state he had any previous interaction with this student, which I feel would be a huge piece of info since it appears victim has taken the nuclear approach (tagging CNN, FOX news, Mike DeWine, etc.).

Also think its fair to assume that alcohol was a factor.

I'm not looking to get into a race war argument because the student is a POS for the act, but the reaction on social media is interesting to say the least. The student should be punished regardless if race was an influence and regardless of student-athlete status.

Nobody in the athletic dept. is going to "protect" the student-athlete, that's just simply a false statement. This isn't Ohio State.

Link for thread from victim:

https://twitter.com/Christhegod216/status/150597941148461...

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 2:51:39 PM by spongeBOB CATpants

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 2:47:47 PM 
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 2:59:46 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 3:00:59 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 3:05:56 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)


I know how much you love waxing poetic about the First Amendment, but I'm not following. What about pissing on somebody's door makes the First Amendment relevant here?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 3:29:29 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)


I know how much you love waxing poetic about the First Amendment, but I'm not following. What about pissing on somebody's door makes the First Amendment relevant here?



You missed the entire point. Pissing on the door -- or vandalizing the RA's XBOX -- would be an actual crime of some sort. The original charge, as I understand it, had to do with the use of the N-word.

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 3:32:41 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 3:35:07 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)


I know how much you love waxing poetic about the First Amendment, but I'm not following. What about pissing on somebody's door makes the First Amendment relevant here?



You missed the entire point. Pissing on the door would be an actual crime of some sort. The original charge, as I understand it, had to do with the use of the N-word.


I'll chime in here as my post may have caused some confusion.

There are two separate incidents here. Both OU and OUPD don't suspect any relation between the two other than they happened at almost the same time.

In my longer post, I was speaking about the student-athlete who urinated on the RA's door.

There was a separate incident involving a trash bag with racist language attached and left in front of another students dorm door.

From what I understand, they have charged the student-athlete but the other incident hasn't been solved.

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 3:36:22 PM by spongeBOB CATpants

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 3:37:36 PM 
Are there cameras in dorm hallways these days to help in incidents like this?


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 3:55:01 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:


I'll chime in here as my post may have caused some confusion.

There are two separate incidents here. Both OU and OUPD don't suspect any relation between the two other than they happened at almost the same time.

In my longer post, I was speaking about the student-athlete who urinated on the RA's door.

There was a separate incident involving a trash bag with racist language attached and left in front of another students dorm door.

From what I understand, they have charged the student-athlete but the other incident hasn't been solved.


Thanks for the clarification. I had thought that both incidents involved the same student.

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 3:55:24 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 7:46:54 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)


I know how much you love waxing poetic about the First Amendment, but I'm not following. What about pissing on somebody's door makes the First Amendment relevant here?



You missed the entire point. Pissing on the door -- or vandalizing the RA's XBOX -- would be an actual crime of some sort. The original charge, as I understand it, had to do with the use of the N-word.


As was pointed out, you misinterpreted two different incidents as a single incident.

Cool quote though. I wish people actually cared about the First Amendment in practice as much as they do in theory, but nowadays culture wars trump all, I guess.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/22/2022 9:32:36 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
Cellis033 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Yep, there could be zero link with the other incident(s) and he could simply have been angry with his RA. Regardless, he should be kicked out for at least the rest of the semester.



According to the Post they apparently have this perp in custody and charged him.


Charged with Criminal Mischief because the RA's Xbox was damaged. Not sure that charge is enough to warrant expulsion. Thinking a suspension is likely but not expulsion.


Glad to see they are gong to suspend or expel him on the basis of an actual crime. Assholes have First Amendment rights also. And, where should the freedom of speech be more protected than on our college campuses?

"The freedoms…guaranteed by the First Amendment must be accorded to the ideas we hate or sooner or later they will be denied to the ideas we cherish." -- Justice Hugo Black in Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169 (1972)


I know how much you love waxing poetic about the First Amendment, but I'm not following. What about pissing on somebody's door makes the First Amendment relevant here?



You missed the entire point. Pissing on the door -- or vandalizing the RA's XBOX -- would be an actual crime of some sort. The original charge, as I understand it, had to do with the use of the N-word.


As was pointed out, you misinterpreted two different incidents as a single incident.

Cool quote though. I wish people actually cared about the First Amendment in practice as much as they do in theory, but nowadays culture wars trump all, I guess.


Apparently, spongeBOB CATpants thought that a post he made earlier might have led to that conclusion, and courteously posted a clarification. I agree with your last two sentences above. And, if one has to "wax poetic" about any subject, I can't think of a better topic to do that on than the First Amendment. When it comes to First Amendment rights, I'm firmly in the camp of the late justices Wm Douglas and Hugo Black.

Last Edited: 3/22/2022 9:33:44 PM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/23/2022 8:40:09 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:


Apparently, spongeBOB CATpants thought that a post he made earlier might have led to that conclusion, and courteously posted a clarification. I agree with your last two sentences above. And, if one has to "wax poetic" about any subject, I can't think of a better topic to do that on than the First Amendment. When it comes to First Amendment rights, I'm firmly in the camp of the late justices Wm Douglas and Hugo Black.


Respectfully, I don't think you're very firmly in their camp, nor do I think anybody who supports the modern Republican party can be -- without a healthy dose of hypocrisy, at least. I'm not naive enough to believe there are perfect political options out there, and recognize that everybody ends up making trade offs in the voting booth, but any rational analysis of recent legislation shows a GOP that legislates based on culture war non-sense and has long abandoned anything remotely resembling First Amendment principles.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/23/2022 10:32:03 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


Apparently, spongeBOB CATpants thought that a post he made earlier might have led to that conclusion, and courteously posted a clarification. I agree with your last two sentences above. And, if one has to "wax poetic" about any subject, I can't think of a better topic to do that on than the First Amendment. When it comes to First Amendment rights, I'm firmly in the camp of the late justices Wm Douglas and Hugo Black.


Respectfully, I don't think you're very firmly in their camp, nor do I think anybody who supports the modern Republican party can be -- without a healthy dose of hypocrisy, at least. I'm not naive enough to believe there are perfect political options out there, and recognize that everybody ends up making trade offs in the voting booth, but any rational analysis of recent legislation shows a GOP that legislates based on culture war non-sense and has long abandoned anything remotely resembling First Amendment principles.


At this juncture the major threat to the First Amendment comes from the left. Denying First Amendment rights is what cancel culture is all about. I'm not going to get into an extended argument with you on this subject, but that's my assessment; you and your fellow travelers on BA are welcome to disagree and disagree vehemently. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

For your further edification, here's a brief synopsis of the absolutist position on the First Amendment developed by Black and Douglas. There are some differences between the two. Though I admire both of them for their First Amendment advocacy, I probably tend to side more with Douglas' interpretations and arguments at the points that the two diverge in their opinions. In the vast majority of First Amendment cases, though, they were on the same side, often with virtually identical reasoning. I apologize ahead of time for posting a link to an MTSU site:

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/887/absolutists

Last Edited: 3/23/2022 10:48:58 AM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/23/2022 12:09:59 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:

At this juncture the major threat to the First Amendment comes from the left. Denying First Amendment rights is what cancel culture is all about. I'm not going to get into an extended argument with you on this subject, but that's my assessment; you and your fellow travelers on BA are welcome to disagree and disagree vehemently. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

For your further edification, here's a brief synopsis of the absolutist position on the First Amendment developed by Black and Douglas. There are some differences between the two. Though I admire both of them for their First Amendment advocacy, I probably tend to side more with Douglas' interpretations and arguments at the points that the two diverge in their opinions. In the vast majority of First Amendment cases, though, they were on the same side, often with virtually identical reasoning. I apologize ahead of time for posting a link to an MTSU site:

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/887/absolutists


The reality is there are threats to the First Amendment from all sides.

That you think the major threat comes from one side just shows the partisan lens you're viewing this through, and how unserious you actually are. That you quote Holmes, Black and Douglas with a straight face and absolve your own party of their role is nothing but hypocrisy. You can dress it however you want, but the reason you so desperately want to avoid "an extended argument" is because whenever we have an extended argument your views don't stand up to scrutiny.

Your absolutism and insistence that the major threat comes from the left is rooted in Conservative grievance. You view yourselves as victims, and therefore are willing to overlook your own attacks against the First Amendment.

The hypocrisy runs deep. Not only does the Right gleefully participate in "cancel culture" themselves, but they then try and legislate away ideas they don't like.

It's "cancel culture" when directed at a member your tribe, but it's not when the target, is say, Colin Kaepernick or Kathy Griffin. It's not "cancel culture" when Conservatives try and have the author of the 1619 project removed from an academic chair because of her ideas, or try and have Jemele Hill fired. That the Right participates in cancel culture, while insisting it's only a phenomena of the Left is evidence of the lack of principle driving this. It's just culture war and victimhood, on both sides.

Where the Right ups the ante is in how they use the power of the state and legislator to bad ideas that scare them. Which party is using the power of the state to ban ideas that scare them like Critical Race Theory? Which party is passing "Don't say Gay" laws in Florida? Which party punishes private companies like Delta who speak out against legislation they disagree with by repealing tax breaks? In which party's name have people been burning books over the last few months? Which party is pushing for greater government control over private companies through a repeal of Section 230? Which party has passed laws that seek to curb peaceful protesters? Which party passed "Blue Lives Matter" bills? Care to examine the content of those bills through the lens of the First Amendment?

The Left uses intense social pressure and "cancel culture" to suppress ideas. It's abhorrent. The Right's chosen to fight fire with fire and does the exact same thing. They also happen to use the power of the state to fight their battles too. Surely a "First Amendment Absolutist" like yourself understand why one of those things is different than the other.

The Right's become so obsessed with culture wars and that they can no longer view anything outside of that lens, and have unwittingly lined up behind a group of legislators who are trying to legislate away ideas they don't like.

And because you don't like the ideas either, you'll defend that action while continuing to insist you're a staunch advocate of the First Amendment.

You're not anymore. And either is your party.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diversity and Inclusion Story
   Posted: 3/23/2022 12:44:56 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:


Apparently, spongeBOB CATpants thought that a post he made earlier might have led to that conclusion, and courteously posted a clarification. I agree with your last two sentences above. And, if one has to "wax poetic" about any subject, I can't think of a better topic to do that on than the First Amendment. When it comes to First Amendment rights, I'm firmly in the camp of the late justices Wm Douglas and Hugo Black.


Respectfully, I don't think you're very firmly in their camp, nor do I think anybody who supports the modern Republican party can be -- without a healthy dose of hypocrisy, at least. I'm not naive enough to believe there are perfect political options out there, and recognize that everybody ends up making trade offs in the voting booth, but any rational analysis of recent legislation shows a GOP that legislates based on culture war non-sense and has long abandoned anything remotely resembling First Amendment principles.


At this juncture the major threat to the First Amendment comes from the left. Denying First Amendment rights is what cancel culture is all about. I'm not going to get into an extended argument with you on this subject, but that's my assessment; you and your fellow travelers on BA are welcome to disagree and disagree vehemently. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

For your further edification, here's a brief synopsis of the absolutist position on the First Amendment developed by Black and Douglas. There are some differences between the two. Though I admire both of them for their First Amendment advocacy, I probably tend to side more with Douglas' interpretations and arguments at the points that the two diverge in their opinions. In the vast majority of First Amendment cases, though, they were on the same side, often with virtually identical reasoning. I apologize ahead of time for posting a link to an MTSU site:

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/887/absolutists


You are absolutely crazy!!!!! Cancel culture is a made up term! People want to boycott a product or drop a sponsor, that too is a 1st Amendment Right. No one is being denied their ability to speak. What they are realizing that with free speech can come accountability and consequences.

Free Speech is not free of consequence.
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   Posted: 3/24/2022 3:42:54 PM 
When you lose the New York Times, you know you have an electoral problem. Below is their editorial on Free Speech and Cancel Culture. Numerous polls have pointed out that across the board many Americans have a problem with Cancel Culture. The Ann Selzer poll has some interesting takes. I believe Nate Silver gives the Selzer poll the highest rating. Americans remember what happend to Brett Kavanaugh, Nicholas Sandman etc. They also remember the myriad of conservatives who were banned from Social Media platforms, while no such thing happened to the other side. Trying to pretend it does not exist only hastens the November shellacking (to quote President Obama.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cancel-culture...
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1506676547616493568
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