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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 7/28/2022 1:38:39 PM 
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 7/28/2022 2:02:52 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION.


This should affect your credit score.


This wins the interwebs reply of the month.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 7/29/2022 6:48:30 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 7/29/2022 9:39:12 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.


Just engaging in a little sarcasm there, Billy. In my freshman year at Wittenberg I had three roommates and one was a football player. Kind of got a few insights into D3 athletics.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 7/31/2022 11:34:45 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.


Just engaging in a little sarcasm there, Billy. In my freshman year at Wittenberg I had three roommates and one was a football player. Kind of got a few insights into D3 athletics.


I know you were OCF, but others don’t quite understand what amount is playing with.
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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/1/2022 12:03:27 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.


Just engaging in a little sarcasm there, Billy. In my freshman year at Wittenberg I had three roommates and one was a football player. Kind of got a few insights into D3 athletics.


OCF, D3 didn't even exist until 1975. Did Wittenberg not give athletic scholarships before then?

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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/1/2022 10:47:41 AM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.


Just engaging in a little sarcasm there, Billy. In my freshman year at Wittenberg I had three roommates and one was a football player. Kind of got a few insights into D3 athletics.


OCF, D3 didn't even exist until 1975. Did Wittenberg not give athletic scholarships before then?



No, they only gave scholarship's based on academic merit -- at least technically, as I alluded to above. They had some needs-based assistance as well, but they didn't call it a scholarship. And, I think there were also discounts for Lutheran PKs and some other categories. I believe the whole OAC, as then constituted, operated on the same basis. It looks like that D3 when formed followed the model that was already in place by conferences like the old OAC.

Last Edited: 8/1/2022 10:48:24 AM by OhioCatFan


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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/1/2022 11:05:19 AM 
My recollection, from advice given to me when applying for college, was that standards were flexible, and the more skills you had, the more likely you were to get admitted, and to get an "academic" scholarship. Straight A's and 1500 on the SAT, and editor of the school paper? Good. B+ Average, 1300 SAT, but play the tuba and defensive end, also good. This wasn't in regards to any specific school, but college in general. Many from my school went to college, but no one ever went to a "football power", at least, not to play football.


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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/1/2022 6:16:42 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION. Trust me it will accomplish the same thing and will greatly reduce the travel costs. But dream on all you want about adding the Dakota’s. Not trying to be Debbie Downer on the MAC, but college football has now become the OSU vs BAMA conferences and they are now like the “exclusive” Prom that going forward will only consider the prettiest of the prettiest! I now live in the heart of the ACC and believe me lots of far bigger names than OHIO and Miami’s are -hitting their pants worried about which insignificant ugly step-sister conference they will land in when the final dance partners are picked. But I guess yearning for a football game on a cold Tuesday/Wednesday November evening in North/South Dakota is just what has always been the missing link to propel the MAC to greatness! It will make the November weeknight games in Athens seem downright balmy though compared to the Dakotas. BTW will there be direct flights from
Athens to Bismarck?


Mount Union would have to reduce the number of scholarships they give if they joined the MAC.


Yep, those academic and need-based scholarships that so many D3 players qualify for. And, I've heard that just possibly, every now and then, that a football player's need and/or academic assessment might be based on different criteria than that used for the general student population. Now, that's just a rumor, mind you! ;-)


Ain’t no rumor at all. And being a private they have tons of flexibility with those grants.


Just engaging in a little sarcasm there, Billy. In my freshman year at Wittenberg I had three roommates and one was a football player. Kind of got a few insights into D3 athletics.


OCF, D3 didn't even exist until 1975. Did Wittenberg not give athletic scholarships before then?



No, they only gave scholarship's based on academic merit -- at least technically, as I alluded to above. They had some needs-based assistance as well, but they didn't call it a scholarship. And, I think there were also discounts for Lutheran PKs and some other categories. I believe the whole OAC, as then constituted, operated on the same basis. It looks like that D3 when formed followed the model that was already in place by conferences like the old OAC.


Ok, thanks.

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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/3/2022 1:26:43 PM 
oldkatz wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
BobcatSports wrote:
MWDST, Mount Union has some NFL’ers to crow about, Pierre Garçon and Cecil Shorts III immediately come to mind. They too have won multiple National Championships so why not just add them to MACTION.


This should affect your credit score.


This wins the interwebs reply of the month.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Should the MAC add new teams?
   Posted: 8/5/2022 12:37:37 AM 
Interesting story about how all the teams in the Northeast have lost the luster they had 30 or 40 years ago. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34301978... . They're trying to regain some of that but it looks just so overwhelming I had to pause and take a breath in the middle of it.

Paterno apparently had an idea to save football in the Northeast by putting together a conference with Penn St, Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, Rutgers and others back when they were all indies. But there wasn't agreement and schools started joining "P" conferences soon afterwards.


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