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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 6:49:01 PM 
shabamon wrote:


The only thing that was gutless was the third down play call on our drive right before Iowa State's touchdown. And I only say that in the hindsight of ISU scoring. With the way our defense was playing, we trust that they can do it again, so at the time, a run on that third down that we don't convert didn't seem like a big deal. As for the knees to end the game, we did the math and we had a plan to run out the clock and it completely worked as intended. No complaints at all.


Willing to admit Iím overreacting to that sequence. As well as the few plays after.

Wins are wins. But I donít like the direction of the offense. Or the seeming cowardess of the play calling of the last few weeks. Defense is playing out of their mind.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 7:05:08 PM 
ExCat21 wrote:
Was anyone close enough to see this at Peden?

https://twitter.com/KStateWildcatFP/status/17031504750239...


That behavior is pretty trash from the Iowa St fan, but that smirk at the end of the clip is priceless.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 7:11:21 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
SBH wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
GUTLESS FOOTBALL. As always.


Go root for someone else. You're pathetic.


Iím BEGGING you to come meet me. Iím still in Athens. No bigger loser on this website. Wipe your tears. Then come find me.

Gutless cowards are all the same. Whether theyíre goobers on the internet or they take 9 straight knees to run out clock.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I dunno. The TV view looked good to me. But maybe the camera angles were misleading.


It was good.

Everyone in the far endzone was confused. It didnít even debatable.

Great win. Great defense. Gutless football. For the third straight week.

This is not the team of last year. This is not the playbook of last year. Last years team doesnít run the ball 25 of the last 30 plays in a one score game.



I'm waiting for you outside Tony's right now. I'm the guy on the Rascal scooter.

If you're so tough, however, why not walk up to Albin and tell him he's gutless? I assure you he'll put you on your ass.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 7:34:57 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I dunno. The TV view looked good to me. But maybe the camera angles were misleading.


Big 12 crew. Sorry about your luck. Enjoy the flight and whatever undercooked chicken you choose for postgame.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 7:39:08 PM 
SBH wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
SBH wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
GUTLESS FOOTBALL. As always.


Go root for someone else. You're pathetic.


Iím BEGGING you to come meet me. Iím still in Athens. No bigger loser on this website. Wipe your tears. Then come find me.

Gutless cowards are all the same. Whether theyíre goobers on the internet or they take 9 straight knees to run out clock.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I dunno. The TV view looked good to me. But maybe the camera angles were misleading.


It was good.

Everyone in the far endzone was confused. It didnít even debatable.

Great win. Great defense. Gutless football. For the third straight week.

This is not the team of last year. This is not the playbook of last year. Last years team doesnít run the ball 25 of the last 30 plays in a one score game.



I'm waiting for you outside Tony's right now. I'm the guy on the Rascal scooter.

If you're so tough, however, why not walk up to Albin and tell him he's gutless? I assure you he'll put you on your ass.




Not that I expected a gutless turd like you to respond to my PM, but you have my address.

There will be many tears had by a lot of sad old men.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 7:52:20 PM 
Is Ohio's offense where we think it should be right now? Not quite. On the other hand, Iowa State has a very good defense, and Ohio controlled the ball for most of the clock against them. Ohio survived the non-conference schedule at 3-1. Could they have gone 4-0? Yes. Could they be 1-3? Yes. 3-1 is a very good start, and I'm not sure that any other MAC teams will match it other than Toledo. Well, also EMU, but they play two FCS games, so one won't count for bowls.

Now it's time to start the conference games. Will Ohio be able to average 30+ a game in MACtion? We'll find out soon enough. I personally thought that Rourke made some outstanding throws against ISU, and I think that against MAC defenses, he is going to put up some big numbers.

Go Bobcats!

Last Edited: 9/16/2023 9:04:52 PM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:04:31 PM 
SBH wrote:
I'm waiting for you outside Tony's right now. I'm the guy on the Rascal scooter waiting for Souvlaki's to open.


Fixed it for you.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:15:17 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
SBH wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
SBH wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
GUTLESS FOOTBALL. As always.


Go root for someone else. You're pathetic.


Iím BEGGING you to come meet me. Iím still in Athens. No bigger loser on this website. Wipe your tears. Then come find me.

Gutless cowards are all the same. Whether theyíre goobers on the internet or they take 9 straight knees to run out clock.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I dunno. The TV view looked good to me. But maybe the camera angles were misleading.


It was good.

Everyone in the far endzone was confused. It didnít even debatable.

Great win. Great defense. Gutless football. For the third straight week.

This is not the team of last year. This is not the playbook of last year. Last years team doesnít run the ball 25 of the last 30 plays in a one score game.



I'm waiting for you outside Tony's right now. I'm the guy on the Rascal scooter.

If you're so tough, however, why not walk up to Albin and tell him he's gutless? I assure you he'll put you on your ass.




Not that I expected a gutless turd like you to respond to my PM, but you have my address.

There will be many tears had by a lot of sad old men.


I don't exchange PMs with 12 year olds.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:18:12 PM 
. wrote:
I have no idea if that field goal was good or not. I trust the guy standing under that goalpost.


Yeah, I think every angle but that one is misleading and that angle it is almost impossible to miss the call.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:22:09 PM 
Ohio played about as clean a game as possible. The OL gave up 0 sacks and gave Rourke plenty of time on most pass plays; the team had 1 penalty, late in the game I believe; and Ohio turned the ball over 0 times.

Noticed a lot of defensive substitutions late in the game with newcomers coming up big, including Kwame Sutton, Tristian Cox, and Kaci Seegars. Can't believe there's a better ILB duo in the MAC than Keye Thompson and Bryce Houston, 2 players that could have moved on after last season but were compelled to come back for one more year. Don't believe either one has taken off many plays this year, if any at all.

For the most part the ISU DB's blanketed OUr receivers today. But Rourke, who was protected in the pocket by his line, had several scrambles for nice gains due in part, I would think, because of the ISU tight coverage on our receivers.

Last Edited: 9/16/2023 9:19:46 PM by bobcatsquared

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:27:17 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I dunno. The TV view looked good to me. But maybe the camera angles were misleading.


The NCAA needs to put a laser or something at the top of uprights, with a light that goes on if the ball crosses the laser.


And what if a pigeon flies through at nearly the same time?

Let refs be refs and umps be umps.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 8:43:10 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:

And what if a pigeon flies through at nearly the same time?

Let refs be refs and umps be umps.


A European swallow or an African swallow?

But then African swallows ain't migratory are they?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 9:36:33 PM 
I'm not sold that FG is good. The angles of the camera can be extremely deceiving... That is why the referees are positioned where they are...


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 11:03:25 PM 
SBH wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
That field goal was good. Missed call. We have to make those points count.


Not good from where I sat.


From the video angles it was impossible to tell, but the official call was immediate and there was no post play conference, so I'm guessing the officials were all in agreement. In any case, the "official" explanation was that the call was not reviewable since the kick was high over the uprights.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/16/2023 11:07:56 PM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
I thought it was no good. It went right over the pole. If the pole extended up it would have doinked. By rule that's no good, right?


If it "doinks" inside the uprights it's good, outside it's not.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 12:31:30 AM 
Whether the call was right or not is irrelevant. Unlike the notorious fifth down that CMU got vs Okla St a few years ago, this was a judgement call by the ref. In this case, the ref's judgement was that the kick was not good. End of story. It doesn't change the fact that Ohio played a helluva defensive game and deserves the win. They shut down ISU for 55 minutes and produced a 41-pt swing from last year's loss. And the offense managed to hold onto the ball for the first time this season Now let's hope they don't have a letdown vs BG next week.


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 5:47:19 AM 
I still think Rich Karlisí kick to win the 1986 AFC championship game against the Browns was wide left, so what do I know?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 7:32:06 AM 
I'm watching Fox 8 Cleveland news this Sunday morning, and the sports report showed the field goal attempt, with the reporter stating that the Ohio Bobcats were given a gift as the refs blew the call, then stating that ISU lost by three points. According to them, no doubt about it. I beg to differ, as has been discussed previously here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 8:18:52 AM 
joefromperry wrote:
I'm watching Fox 8 Cleveland news this Sunday morning, and the sports report showed the field goal attempt, with the reporter stating that the Ohio Bobcats were given a gift as the refs blew the call, then stating that ISU lost by three points. According to them, no doubt about it. I beg to differ, as has been discussed previously here.


Reporters make a living telling lies to get attention.


I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 8:33:52 AM 
joefromperry wrote:
I'm watching Fox 8 Cleveland news this Sunday morning, and the sports report showed the field goal attempt, with the reporter stating that the Ohio Bobcats were given a gift as the refs blew the call, then stating that ISU lost by three points. According to them, no doubt about it. I beg to differ, as has been discussed previously here.


Crazy. I donít know how anyone could say that FG was conclusively BETWEEN the uprights when it crossed the plane of the goalposts other than the ref standing directly below that upright and he in fact said it did not.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 8:37:37 AM 
I thought that the ISU DBs were playing lights out all day, even on the passes Rourke was completing. They were all over our receivers.

That defensive prowess was only exceeded by our front 7. I was worried about their RB leading up to this game...38 yards of team rushing. Who does that against a P5 opponent? I guess we do.

Just keep playing how they're playing and we'll be just fine.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 8:38:21 AM 
joefromperry wrote:
I'm watching Fox 8 Cleveland news this Sunday morning, and the sports report showed the field goal attempt, with the reporter stating that the Ohio Bobcats were given a gift as the refs blew the call, then stating that ISU lost by three points. According to them, no doubt about it. I beg to differ, as has been discussed previously here.

If you are standing directly below the post, looking up, it will be very clear which side of the goal post the ball went on. From any other view, a 2-dimensional perspective will be uncertain, except for one. If you are directly behind the ball, so the that, as the ball flies, it remains stationary on the screen, you will also be able to see where the flight is with relation to the goal post. On any 2-dimensional picture where the ball is moving laterally on the screen, there is simply no way to tell, and that is why this is not reviewable.

I have watched the video multiple times, and it doesn't look good to me. I see plenty of pictures of the ESPN video frozen at the 18 second mark, where the ball is right of the upright (inside it), but the ball is clearly not to the upright yet. In fact, if you continue to watch the video, at the 18.5 second mark, the ball is actually behind the upright, so that picture frozen at 18 seconds was clearly too early. As you get closer to the 19 second mark, the ball is above the upright, then by 19 seconds, it is to the left of the upright. At what point in time was the ball at the plane of the upright? On a 2-dimensional shot, there is no way to know for sure. My best guess is that it was at the 19 second mark, when the ball is clearly to the left of the upright (outside). At best it could have been a shade earlier, and the ball could have traveled directly over the upright, in which case I'm not sure if it should be ruled good or not. The one thing I can say for sure is that the photo you see with the ball to the right of the upright is deceptive, because the ball clearly is behind the upright a split second later, so it was not at the plane of the upright at the time of that frozen frame.


The referee did not hesitate. He watched the ball, then decisively made his call. I have no reason to question it, and the video certainly does not give me a reason to think he was incorrect. At best, the video shows that it was a very close call.

Pataskala wrote:
Whether the call was right or not is irrelevant. Unlike the notorious fifth down that CMU got vs Okla St a few years ago, this was a judgement call by the ref. In this case, the ref's judgement was that the kick was not good. End of story. It doesn't change the fact that Ohio played a helluva defensive game and deserves the win. They shut down ISU for 55 minutes and produced a 41-pt swing from last year's loss. And the offense managed to hold onto the ball for the first time this season Now let's hope they don't have a letdown vs BG next week.

This seemed to be the consensus on the ISU board. They thought that it was probably good, but that it didn't change the fact that Ohio outplayed ISU, and they were not happy at all about the fact that Ohio did outplay ISU.

Last Edited: 9/17/2023 8:43:38 AM by L.C.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 9:36:13 AM 

 


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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 9:52:05 AM 
The Iowa quarterbacks mommy & daddy at the game so there sooooo were 19,998 Ohio fans and (2) Iowa fans

Last Edited: 9/17/2023 9:55:33 AM by Bobcat Jerry

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 4 Thread: Iowa St.
   Posted: 9/17/2023 12:07:29 PM 
I KNOW that kick was no good. I was there.
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