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  Message Not Read  DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/12/2024 2:49:56 PM 
The current "Pac-12" -- Oregon St and Washington St -- have convinced Boise, San Diego St, Fresno and Colo St to leave the MWC and become "Pac-12" schools. Others may follow. This is stupid. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/d... /

Last Edited: 9/12/2024 2:51:52 PM by Pataskala


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/12/2024 2:57:43 PM 
This is about money, not ego, and it's not all that hard to understand the thinking, even if there's a risk.

The MWC has a TV deal with TNT that runs through 2028. It's not a very good TV deal, and all of the money in college sports comes from TV deals.

So by triggering the exit fees -- which the author notes will be covered by the PAC 12 -- they get to negotiate a TV deal in two years instead of 4.

The ACC is a good example of what happens to a league that locks in a bad, long-term TV deal. It's not surprising that schools want as many bites at that apple as possible.

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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/12/2024 9:11:25 PM 
Are we joining the MWC?


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/12/2024 9:50:48 PM 
Urban Bobcat wrote:
Are we joining the MWC?

No reason to do that. How about the PAC-12?


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/12/2024 10:13:37 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
This is about money, not ego, and it's not all that hard to understand the thinking, even if there's a risk.

The MWC has a TV deal with TNT that runs through 2028. It's not a very good TV deal, and all of the money in college sports comes from TV deals.

So by triggering the exit fees -- which the author notes will be covered by the PAC 12 -- they get to negotiate a TV deal in two years instead of 4.

The ACC is a good example of what happens to a league that locks in a bad, long-term TV deal. It's not surprising that schools want as many bites at that apple as possible.



Agreed, with those teams gone, just think of th TV deal the MWC can demand.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 7:11:59 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Urban Bobcat wrote:
Are we joining the MWC?

No reason to do that. How about the PAC-12?

BTW, while I was being tongue-in-cheek, this could become an actual, serious question. Will the PAC-12 be a power conference, or a G5 level conference, or somewhere in between? Based on it's current membership, it does seem to, at least, have the potential of more credibility than the MWC.

If it will be a power conference, or even an in-between conference, could the extra revenue pay for the extra costs necessary to fly all over the country to play the likes of Boise State, Oregon State, etc? With the ACC now including "Atlantic Coast" teams like Stanford, and the Big "Ten" including local regional teams such as USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington, surely Ohio can qualify as a "Pacific Coast" team?


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 9:59:51 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
This is about money, not ego, and it's not all that hard to understand the thinking, even if there's a risk.

The MWC has a TV deal with TNT that runs through 2028. It's not a very good TV deal, and all of the money in college sports comes from TV deals.

So by triggering the exit fees -- which the author notes will be covered by the PAC 12 -- they get to negotiate a TV deal in two years instead of 4.

The ACC is a good example of what happens to a league that locks in a bad, long-term TV deal. It's not surprising that schools want as many bites at that apple as possible.



Agreed, with those teams gone, just think of th TV deal the MWC can demand.


So the 100 million they’re getting from the PAC2 the remaining members will be flush with money for several years. What a deal until the moneys gone.

Last Edited: 9/13/2024 10:29:09 AM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 10:21:10 AM 
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 11:11:27 AM 
Wow have they considered adding USC, Oregon... Washington, perhaps??
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 11:25:00 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


Academics? That's so last decade!


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 12:17:15 PM 
This probably is the least favorable scenario involved, but it's pretty obvious there are some MWC schools that aren't as serious about maintaining relevancy in football as OSU and WSU. Otherwise there probably would have been a deal in place long ago to just join the MWC. So they're taking the schools that are serious about it. I have no issues with that.

As damaged as the name is, the brand PAC-8, 10, 12 probably still holds more weight than the MWC. And lets not forget that conference has a boatload of cash to spread around right from the jump due to CFP and NCAA Tournament money OSU and WSU claimed when the other schools left the conference.

A lot of people are wondering: why didn't they just do this last year before everyone left? Well, you can blame Stanford and Cal (and partly UW) for that. The argument against improving the football and basketball product was always that Boise State, Fresno State and SDSU didn't fit the "academic" profile. They didn't add BYU way back when because of the religious affiliation. The PAC 12 was happy with who they were. And I don't think this move entices Stanford or Cal to come back. IMO they'd rather be Independent than consider themselves equals as the school down I-5 in Fresno. The horror!

I'll be curious to see which direction they go now. Media is speculating that they'll go after Eastern schools. But I can't see a program like Memphis joining this league. Is it really that much of a step up from the AAC? Maybe they'll just wait for that Big 12 phone call.

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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 12:48:45 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
This probably is the least favorable scenario involved, but it's pretty obvious there are some MWC schools that aren't as serious about maintaining relevancy in football as OSU and WSU. Otherwise there probably would have been a deal in place long ago to just join the MWC. So they're taking the schools that are serious about it. I have no issues with that.

As damaged as the name is, the brand PAC-8, 10, 12 probably still holds more weight than the MWC. And lets not forget that conference has a boatload of cash to spread around right from the jump due to CFP and NCAA Tournament money OSU and WSU claimed when the other schools left the conference.

A lot of people are wondering: why didn't they just do this last year before everyone left? Well, you can blame Stanford and Cal (and partly UW) for that. The argument against improving the football and basketball product was always that Boise State, Fresno State and SDSU didn't fit the "academic" profile. They didn't add BYU way back when because of the religious affiliation. The PAC 12 was happy with who they were. And I don't think this move entices Stanford or Cal to come back. IMO they'd rather be Independent than consider themselves equals as the school down I-5 in Fresno. The horror!

I'll be curious to see which direction they go now. Media is speculating that they'll go after Eastern schools. But I can't see a program like Memphis joining this league. Is it really that much of a step up from the AAC? Maybe they'll just wait for that Big 12 phone call.


A lot of good stuff there . I think the ex PAC teams next problem is when the ACC breaks up. What do they do when FSU, Clemson, NC and Virginia leave at the very least?
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 4:44:52 PM 
I seriously doubt that any network beyond Amazon Prime or YouTube would fork over any significant cash to get Oregon St, Washington St and eight or ten MWC schools. The attraction of the Pac=12 was in USC, UCLA and maybe Oregon. They might get CBSSN and/or FS1 to sign a deal, but not for nearly the kind of cash the Pac-12 demanded before it busted up.

I look for the MWC left-outs (probably Hawaii, Utah St, maybe others) to move to CUSA or possibly Sun Belt.

Last Edited: 9/13/2024 4:48:13 PM by Pataskala


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/13/2024 5:38:03 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
I seriously doubt that any network beyond Amazon Prime or YouTube would fork over any significant cash to get Oregon St, Washington St and eight or ten MWC schools. The attraction of the Pac=12 was in USC, UCLA and maybe Oregon. They might get CBSSN and/or FS1 to sign a deal, but not for nearly the kind of cash the Pac-12 demanded before it busted up.

I look for the MWC left-outs (probably Hawaii, Utah St, maybe others) to move to CUSA or possibly Sun Belt.


They don't need to fork out significant money. Just beat the MWC deal, which pays $3.5m per team.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/14/2024 2:51:58 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/14/2024 9:29:01 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/14/2024 11:16:26 PM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


They have changed everywhere.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/15/2024 8:17:17 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


They have changed everywhere.

Do you think Ohio should start plans to expand Peden to 50,000, and lobby to join the PAC-12 so as to become the third P5 team in Ohio?
;)


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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/15/2024 8:23:46 AM 
My concern here is that the remaining MWC teams don't merge into other conferences and we end up with 15 more teams in the FCS. People were offering insane ways to get better P4 payouts. If that happens then that payout is dropping.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/16/2024 10:43:20 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
I seriously doubt that any network beyond Amazon Prime or YouTube would fork over any significant cash to get Oregon St, Washington St and eight or ten MWC schools. The attraction of the Pac=12 was in USC, UCLA and maybe Oregon. They might get CBSSN and/or FS1 to sign a deal, but not for nearly the kind of cash the Pac-12 demanded before it busted up.

I look for the MWC left-outs (probably Hawaii, Utah St, maybe others) to move to CUSA or possibly Sun Belt.


C-USA would be the most likely scenario as the Sun Belt has previously stated they don't want to leave their regional footprint. I'd also be interested to see if the WAC comes into play. Those schools are either FCS or non-football, and they have an interesting partnership with the A-SUN for football scheduling. I'm wondering if any of those schools are interested in transitioning up.

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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/16/2024 3:30:01 PM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


They have changed everywhere.

Do you think Ohio should start plans to expand Peden to 50,000, and lobby to join the PAC-12 so as to become the third P5 team in Ohio?
;)


I know this was a joke, BUT

If we ever got another generous donation, there is a world where we could close in the sides near the hill (ala Clemson). Always leave the hill. There is a ton of usable land near the student section side where the vistors walk through. Wouldn't be much demo to add that curved section like on the other endzone.
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   Posted: 9/16/2024 6:04:16 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


They have changed everywhere.

Do you think Ohio should start plans to expand Peden to 50,000, and lobby to join the PAC-12 so as to become the third P5 team in Ohio?
;)


I know this was a joke, BUT

If we ever got another generous donation, there is a world where we could close in the sides near the hill (ala Clemson). Always leave the hill. There is a ton of usable land near the student section side where the vistors walk through. Wouldn't be much demo to add that curved section like on the other endzone.


This was a pun from years before you came to this board. At one time, there were some diehards that constantly posted about how we need to move to the ACC and build a 2nd deck on Peden to make us 45k fans.
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   Posted: 9/16/2024 6:05:39 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
What isn't being mentioned much in this and similar discussions is the effect on student athletes. When, for example, Stanford sends a team cross country to play Rutgers or Maryland, what are the effects on studies?


99% of these players today take online classes.


At Stanford? While there, one afternoon I bumped into a football player. He told me he was transferring to Hawaii. I asked why. He answered thusly, "Academics. Too tough here." I wonder if things have changed there.


They have changed everywhere.

Do you think Ohio should start plans to expand Peden to 50,000, and lobby to join the PAC-12 so as to become the third P5 team in Ohio?
;)


I know this was a joke, BUT

If we ever got another generous donation, there is a world where we could close in the sides near the hill (ala Clemson). Always leave the hill. There is a ton of usable land near the student section side where the vistors walk through. Wouldn't be much demo to add that curved section like on the other endzone.


If we are going to demo anything, it needs to be the east and west stands which are literally losing chunks of concrete and bricks.
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  Message Not Read  RE: DT: Absurdity of the week : "Pac-12" adding MWC schools
   Posted: 9/17/2024 1:39:42 PM 
It doesn't matter whether you call this new PAC12 a P or G. What matters is they are positioned to perennially be at least the 5th best conference champion, thereby earning the final automatic bid into the CFP.

The 4 MWC teams could not possibly be gambling here. There has to be something ready to go in addition to the absurd amount of money OSU and WSU got to keep.

Brilliant legal wording used by the CFP committee to fence off the rest of us and keep us in our place.

I have no doubt this was intentional. And I expect the MAC to be back at 12 teams, if not less, very soon.
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Pete Chouteau wrote:
It doesn't matter whether you call this new PAC12 a P or G. What matters is they are positioned to perennially be at least the 5th best conference champion, thereby earning the final automatic bid into the CFP.

The 4 MWC teams could not possibly be gambling here. There has to be something ready to go in addition to the absurd amount of money OSU and WSU got to keep.

Brilliant legal wording used by the CFP committee to fence off the rest of us and keep us in our place.

I have no doubt this was intentional. And I expect the MAC to be back at 12 teams, if not less, very soon.


You think they made that wording because they are scared of an emerging power that will challenge them?
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