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The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,085 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 10:56:42 AM  SBH wrote: Albin was asked in the press conference why he didn't go for it on three fourth downs in Akron territory. His answer, "Because our defense was dominating. Next question." My next question would be, isn't the dominance of your defense a reason to take risks to score points? I'm not saying punting was right, I'm not commenting on that, but the logic checks out fine. I'm old enough to remember that some coaches that cut their teeth in the business back in the middle of the twentieth century that were still around used to have a fairly common phrase. You used to hear, "It's not a sin to punt." Maybe this adage is less common because rule changes in defensive holding, pass interference, and protecting offensive players have increased point totals or maybe adages just change over time. It is what they do. But I think everyone agrees that scoring points is just about always better than punting and punting very, very probably results in a better situation than turning it over. It also, I think, squares with nearly everyone's intuition, traditional coaching styles, and modern analytics that it is usually more of a sin to punt when you are trailing that if you have the lead and usually more of a sin to punt in an offensive shootout than a defensive struggle. This DOESN'T mean that it is ALWAYS right to punt if you have the lead on a defensive battle. Being up 14-10 with fourth and short just outside your kicker's trusted range with 7 minutes left is very different that being up 20-0 with fourth and 15 in your own redzone with 7 minutes left. But if you have the lead and how the game is going affects the analysis and just about every situation and coaching style makes you more inclined to punt with the lead or in a defensive game. Consider the exact opposite of what you are arguing. I recall a game against UMass in 2018 where we kicked off, gave up a quick over the top TD, and then threw a pick six to fall behind 14-0 almost immediately. Ohio then scored a TD on their next 6 drives and then a field goal on the 7th. UMass started going for it on every fourth down. When Mark Whipple was asked about it, he said he couldn't afford to punt because it was clear Ohio was going to get points on most of their possessions. You could flip this on its head just like you did in the opposite scenario. If you are having trouble stopping Ohio isn't it important to give your defense a chance by not giving Ohio a short field. Also, in a game that is 45-35 early in the second half, why not trust that your offense won't be in this position of facing 4th down too many times for the rest of the game and to trust that they will capitalize on the rest of their possessions and that you should be more inclined to punt in this type of game than in other games. I'm guessing that your gut is telling you that is just wrong without a background in coaching or doing any complex analytics. The opposite is also true. I'm not arguing either way on if all those punts yesterday were correct strategy. The idea of taking less risks trying to get points with the lead in a defensive battle than you would in most other situations totally analytically checks out though. Last Edited: 9/29/2024 2:02:25 PM by Victory Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,219 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 11:42:48 AM  L.C. wrote: I enjoyed the post game interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_EFuq56pUQ You can see that the team is starting to develop an identity, and that identity is based around relentless defense, and that gives the offense confidence. A moment that stood out to me was at 4:23 where the players were asked about the fact that the defense held Akron to -23 yards rushing. The defensive guys weren't surprised, but Coleman and Parker both were stunned. They knew the defense played well, but that was even better than they realized. I would say that this team is ahead of where I expected. Particularly they are ahead in terms of uniting into a team. You start with some returning players, add freshmen, Juco players, and players from the portal, and you never know what you will end up with. Ohio has ended up with a great group of players that has become a team. I'm looking forward to watching a team that fights hard every game. A fine positive post on another thread that if you don’t know the score you’d think we lost. Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 693 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 12:57:54 PM  Poor coach. There is even criticism when you win. Oh, well, it's Bobcat football. No, it wasn't pretty. Wasn't pretty at all, in fact, but we got a win, and I guess that goes for something. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,085 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 1:29:24 PM  We outgained them 440-178 and were even on turnovers. You would usually win by more than 20 with those stats. Maybe the argument for it being closer than the score indicated is how long it took our offense to really get going. The most disappointing thing was the penalties. There are penalties like getting called for a PI on a deep ball rather than giving up a catch which might be smart, then there are penalties like holding trying to protect the QB that are bound to happen sometimes, and then there are penalties like false start, illegal formation, and unsportsmanlike conduct that are just due to not concentrating. It felt like a lot of our penalties were type 2 in what turned out to be bad times or type 3. Last Edited: 9/29/2024 1:58:06 PM by Victory Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,866 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 1:35:36 PM  The only true threat the Zips had was their fantastic punter, who kept flipping the field on us. Why not try to keep the ball away from him as long as possible by extending drives on fourth and short in their territory? Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,240 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 1:43:37 PM  Morris Mound wrote: Morris Mound wrote: Some mid-game observations. - The Oline looks so much smaller with Dennison out. But it also seems a little bit more effective in run blocking? - Parker Navarro is a really slippery runner. Some more designed QB runs might open up the run game a bit. - Solid special teams play. Especially from Coleman Owen (who is just great in general). - DBs look better than from the non-conference slate. Tank Pearson had some good plays. OK one more non-Ohio observation. Akron's offense may as well have not bothered taking the field after the scripted plays in the first couple of drives. Ben Finley is awful. Moorhead needs to get 'cruitin'. I agree that Finley is awful but he was playing decent until he was sacked for the safety. After that, he was tenuous and off-target. I think he got his bell rung. Late in the game after a sack he hobbled off the field and took a knee on the sideline. I was surprised they brought him out for their final possession. Kudos to our D for making them one-dimensional. They had minus 18 yds rushing in 20 carries. Their leading rusher had just 12 yds on four carries. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,213 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 1:52:29 PM  Maddog13 wrote: Poor coach. There is even criticism when you win. Oh, well, it's Bobcat football. No, it wasn't pretty. Wasn't pretty at all, in fact, but we got a win, and I guess that goes for something. As Victory pointed out, Ohio outgained Akron 440-178. They also held Akron to -18 yards rushing. Ohio was an 11.5 point favorite, but won by 20. Were there areas where Ohio needs to improve? Absolutely, but that is expected. I expect them to improve each game. Was it a disaster? Absolutely not. I'm glad Ohio gets a bye week. They need it, and now is a great time. Then, go beat CMU. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,085 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 2:07:36 PM  L.C. wrote: Maddog13 wrote: Poor coach. There is even criticism when you win. Oh, well, it's Bobcat football. No, it wasn't pretty. Wasn't pretty at all, in fact, but we got a win, and I guess that goes for something. As Victory pointed out, Ohio outgained Akron 440-178. They also held Akron to -18 yards rushing. Ohio was an 11.5 point favorite, but won by 20. Were there areas where Ohio needs to improve? Absolutely, but that is expected. I expect them to improve each game. Was it a disaster? Absolutely not. I'm glad Ohio gets a bye week. They need it, and now is a great time. Then, go beat CMU. I agree. Perfect time for a bye. We went off at -7.5. The line dropped from 12 to 7.5 like a rock in the final day or so. There had to be information out there that Navarro was still having trouble throwing the ball. I was at the game but a friend said that the announcers said during the broadcast that he was still having trouble during the week. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,213 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 3:29:21 PM  Victory wrote: ...We went off at -7.5. The line dropped from 12 to 7.5 like a rock in the final day or so. There had to be information out there that Navarro was still having trouble throwing the ball. I was at the game but a friend said that the announcers said during the broadcast that he was still having trouble during the week. That would explain why they threw so few passes, and gave Akron a heavy load of Tyus. In prior games this year, Navarro attempted about 15 passes per half, but against Akron, only 18. With Navarro dinged up, and Poulus out, that makes the win even more impressive. Ohio did what they had to do. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bobcat Love General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 977 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 8:26:42 PM  L.C. wrote: I enjoyed the post game interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_EFuq56pUQ You can see that the team is starting to develop an identity, and that identity is based around relentless defense, and that gives the offense confidence. I'm glad we won. Akron is arguably terrible, but I'll take a conference win any day of the week. That said, we are 4 quarters removed from the relentless defense essentially calling Uncle in Lexigton. Let's give it a few more games before we get too excited. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,121 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/29/2024 9:12:45 PM  Let's work on 4 things during the bye week: 1. get Navarro healthy; 2. find a way to eliminate the costly and ill-timed penalties; 3. work on securing the football; 4. find a way to get Bobcats not named Owen involved in the passing game. 11 penalties v. Akron for 91 yards. Some were costlier than others, negating a long punt return, a long run down the sideline by Tyus and one long scramble by Navarro. Ohio fumbled 3 times, losing 2 of them. The one fumble we didn't lose ended up a touchdown but could have been costly if not for Ohio linemen falling on the ball in the end zone. Half of Navarro's 12 completions went to Owen with no other receiver getting more than 1 reception. One other thing, look for Walter Bob to compete for more playing time on the D-line. Already a strength for OUr team, I look for Bob to add not just depth but quality to this position. The JUCO transfer and former Bama recruit saw limited minutes late v. Akron with 2 tackles. He came into summer camp late and I believe he saw his first action in Saturday's win. Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,110 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 9:01:39 AM  I worry that the staleness of our offense was even more detrimental this weekend because I sat by numerous recruits taking in the game. While the band did their part to recruit, the offense did not. It just was boring, slow-moving, and uninspiring. Yeah, the defense looked good, but watching the pretty predictable offense isn't going to have recruits eager to sign up. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,361 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 9:26:44 AM  SBH wrote: Albin was asked in the press conference why he didn't go for it on three fourth downs in Akron territory. His answer, "Because our defense was dominating. Next question." My next question would be, isn't the dominance of your defense a reason to take risks to score points? Nah, I'm good with the decision to punt with the lead. A failed fourth down at that part of the field may just be the break and momentum boost that flips the game. Back to Top OhioBobcat General User Member Since: 1/20/2006 Post Count: 1,587 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 10:09:12 AM  Ohio is 1-0 in the MAC. NIU is 0-1. Ohio wins a conference game by 20 and some people aren't happy about it. I don't get it. It's MAC football, it's not always going to be pretty. Much of the time it isn't. But damn man, a win is a win. Some people need to focus on the good around here when it happens. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,113 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 10:52:10 AM  OhioBobcat wrote: Ohio is 1-0 in the MAC. NIU is 0-1. Ohio wins a conference game by 20 and some people aren't happy about it. I don't get it. It's MAC football, it's not always going to be pretty. Much of the time it isn't. But damn man, a win is a win. Some people need to focus on the good around here when it happens. It's fine to cover your eyes until the end of the game, but for a lot of us - we watch all of it and are critical of mistakes. 11 penalties is worth being upset about, especially when you're playing one of the worst teams in college football. We have 9 fumbles through 5 games. You see the score and are stoked and that's also fine. For me, the BYE week couldn't come fast enough. Looking forward to CMU - we can't have the same mistakes. In the last 14 games vs CMU we've lost 10. They've won 6 of the last 7. They win 75% of the time vs us at home. Need to get everyone healthy. Clean up the mental errors. Happy they leaned hard into Tyus, because we need to control the clock and not allow teams to get ahead of us. When Parker isn't asked to do very much, he is pretty decent. Even when things weren't clicking, he wasn't forcing it. That's extremely encouraging. Miami looks like ass, so I'm elated we play them this early in the season before they figure out that they shouldn't be this bad. Ideally, we're at least 6-3 heading to a home game vs EMU who is inexplicably 2nd in scoring (32ppg) and #1 in sacks. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,213 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 11:13:38 AM  The one complaint that I hear about the game that I disagree with is the complaint regarding the vanilla offense. Now that we know that Navarro has a bad wrist, it's certainly understandable why they didn't throw the ball more, and it's not like they had Poulos available to come in and throw the ball around, either. In the post game press conference, Navarro fidgets more than the others, which may be due to his wrist, and when asked if they are glad to have a bye week right now, Navarro is quick to say "Yeah!". The coaches have to find a game plan that will work with what they have available, and they did. Now it's time to heal up, and then to beat CMU. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,866 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 12:29:04 PM  Kevin Finnegan wrote: I worry that the staleness of our offense was even more detrimental this weekend because I sat by numerous recruits taking in the game. While the band did their part to recruit, the offense did not. It just was boring, slow-moving, and uninspiring. Yeah, the defense looked good, but watching the pretty predictable offense isn't going to have recruits eager to sign up. They had to like the crowd, though. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,361 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 12:45:49 PM  Our offense was so bad that our quarterback is conference co-offensive player of the week. Clean up the damm penalties. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,522 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 2:36:29 PM  I've lived through enough homecoming disappointments (and I'm not that old...am I?) to not complain about a homecoming win. I don't care that it was against Akron, it was a game we needed to win and we did. Like someone else said, clean up the penalties. There were a lot on Saturday (and I think one hold was declined by Kron), far too many. This team feels like a work in progress, and winning games like this one that we are supposed to win (on paper) is a positive. Back to Top Pete Chouteau General User Member Since: 11/17/2004 Location: You Can't See Me Post Count: 1,624 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 9/30/2024 5:21:27 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: One other thing, look for Walter Bob to compete for more playing time on the D-line. Already a strength for OUr team, I look for Bob to add not just depth but quality to this position. The JUCO transfer and former Bama recruit saw limited minutes late v. Akron with 2 tackles. He came into summer camp late and I believe he saw his first action in Saturday's win. Bob sure as hell played with an "edge" as Tim likes to say. I think he laid about 11 hits in the 3 snaps he played. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,121 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: Akron    Posted: 10/12/2024 4:29:57 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Let's work on 4 things during the bye week: 1. get Navarro healthy; 2. find a way to eliminate the costly and ill-timed penalties; 3. work on securing the football; 4. find a way to get Bobcats not named Owen involved in the passing game. 11 penalties v. Akron for 91 yards. Some were costlier than others, negating a long punt return, a long run down the sideline by Tyus and one long scramble by Navarro. Ohio fumbled 3 times, losing 2 of them. The one fumble we didn't lose ended up a touchdown but could have been costly if not for Ohio linemen falling on the ball in the end zone. Half of Navarro's 12 completions went to Owen with no other receiver getting more than 1 reception. One other thing, look for Walter Bob to compete for more playing time on the D-line. Already a strength for OUr team, I look for Bob to add not just depth but quality to this position. The JUCO transfer and former Bama recruit saw limited minutes late v. Akron with 2 tackles. He came into summer camp late and I believe he saw his first action in Saturday's win. Looking like 1 and 4 are taken care of. However, 2 and 3? Not so much with 3 penalties in the first 5 minutes of CMU game and costly lost fumble on 2nd possession that stops a positive Ohio drive. 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