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Topic: RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Topic: RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/27/2024 11:34:17 PM

Maddog13 wrote:

Pete Chouteau wrote:

In a fit of drunken pragmatism...

TV revenue is what drives Toledo and NIU out of the conference. What are we getting per school? Is it $1M? Current MWC gets $15M-ish. AAC gets $7M-ish.

What if the MAC rented out 2 teams, football only, for 1 share of TV revenue to be divided among MAC members? That could theoretically increase our payout by 50%-100%.

What if those 2 teams rotated among the highest ranked? That would leverage sending the MAC's finest to improve the MWC's likelihood of being the #5 conference champion and that's a playoff spot. And there. We invented promotion and relegation in American college football.

I think that we just found our new Athletic Director.

Come on, man! You know it's got be Bobcat Love. Who else has the gravitas?

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/28/2024 7:29:10 AM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Maddog13 wrote:

I want to help out, Bobcat Love. Seriously. Let's see if I got this straight:

1.) Keep bringing up the breach of fiduciary responsibility regarding away football scheduling, because once a mark, always a mark. In other words, know our worth, and we should be able to demand more than just a million dollars, which is a chump change portion of what these big time programs are getting.

2.) If Comer and Gonzalez get caught without a backup plan concerning this current environment of realignment, demand that the trustees immediately clean house, which I assume includes them and their staff.

3.) Insist that Gonzalez lock up some kind of safe haven or alliance with some of the other MAC teams of value, so we don't get screwed during this process. In other words, there is safety in numbers.

4.) If that doesn't work, we need a Plan B and even a Plan C or know why it is that we don't have one. I guess too that it would be good to know why they don't seem concerned at all that the current situation in College Football might threaten the MAC and the Ohio Bobcats directly.

5.) Demand accountability from Gonzalez now, because there is nowhere to hide. In other words, the best defense is a good offense.

6.) Albin better figure out the transfer portal/NIL and NOW or he and his staff are GONE. No more excuses. No more riding on the coat tails of Solich. Dominate the regular season, win the MAC, or get out.

7.) No more 2 - 2 records coming into the MAC, and if we play a Power 4 Conference Team, we better hang with them at the very least and win more than we lose, or, at least, die trying.

It sounds like you are suggesting too that the only disconnect here is that we are far too passive of a fan base and not demanding better. Do I understand that correctly or am I missing something?

Pretty close, but a few corrections.

1.) Keep bringing up the breach of fiduciary responsibility regarding away football scheduling, because once a mark, always a mark. In other words, know our worth, and we should be able to demand more than just a million dollars, which is a chump change portion of what these big time programs are getting.

- This requires the conferences work together to increase the minimum demands. This should have been a topic at the G5 "summit" in Dallas a few weeks ago. Frankly it's more on the conference commissioners, but I don't hear a peep from the University AD's or Presidents.

2.) If Comer and Gonzalez get caught without a backup plan concerning this current environment of realignment, demand that the trustees immediately clean house, which I assume includes them and their staff.

- Incorrect. I would only hold the higher Executives responsible. The staff's of Julie and Lori are great. It's the top tier decision making that I'm calling into questions.

5.) Demand accountability from Gonzalez now, because there is nowhere to hide. In other words, the best defense is a good offense.

- Shouldn't this be in effect at all times??? Does anyone go into work with no accountability from Stakeholders??? Seems weird for that not to be a requirement.

6.) Albin better figure out the transfer portal/NIL and NOW or he and his staff are GONE. No more excuses. No more riding on the coat tails of Solich. Dominate the regular season, win the MAC, or get out.

- It's broad, but put a better product on the field. This program should never get boat raced by Kentucky and look like they don't belong on the same field. It's not happening with Toledo, NIU, or BG - so why us?

7.) No more 2 - 2 records coming into the MAC, and if we play a Power 4 Conference Team, we better hang with them at the very least and win more than we lose, or, at least, die trying.

- Incorrect. I would be damn proud if I were Bowling Green and my school had put a scare into Penn State AND Texas A&M. You can bet my head would be held high. We don't have to go 2-2, but we shouldn't embarass ourselves like we did last Saturday.

Everything seems pretty intuitive to me. I'm not sure what I'm missing.

This all seems like a massive overreaction to the current situation with Toledo and NIU. I couldn't care less about losing NIU. Toledo would be foolish to make a move right now.

I do agree that the MAC has not been sufficiently proactive but blame that entirely on Steinbrecher. How this man commands an $800K+ salary is beyond me. The MAC should be pursuing a merger with MWC, not sitting back and letting them try to pick off our programs.

What's interesting about the NIU thing is that their president is one of the league's weakest in terms of support of intercollegiate athletics.

Last Edited: 9/28/2024 7:31:14 AM by SBH

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/28/2024 9:20:48 AM

"Everything seems pretty intuitive to me. I'm not sure what I'm missing."

Thanks, Bobcat Love, for taking the time to clarify what you are advocating for. No, I don't think it is necessarily intuitive for everyone. We all have unique perspectives and experience, which is good and what makes this site a potentially powerful Forum. It's also what leads to miscommunication at times. I like what you have laid out. Sounds doable with more fan, Alumni and booster pressure. Good thoughts, Man.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/29/2024 9:22:50 AM

SBH wrote:

We always seem to be on the same page on these sort of things. I couldn�t agree more. The MAC as a whole should be working a merger with Sun Belt, AAC, MWC. Form the most powerful G5 conference. Insulation from the outside. They could easily structure conference as E/W and like the Big 10 is doing only have you travel long distances I believe it was 2-3 times per year.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/29/2024 2:12:53 PM

The MWC reportedly is also looking at Texas St, UTEP and NMSU, as well as several western schools from the other subdivision. https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporters/here-are-the-r...

These would seem to be better fits for them than any MAC school

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/30/2024 8:17:39 AM

Toledo in the Mountain West...so ridiculous you can't help but laugh.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/30/2024 9:25:21 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Toledo in the Mountain West...so ridiculous you can't help but laugh.

You don't see Hawaii as a true division rival? LOL

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/30/2024 9:59:52 AM

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Toledo in the Mountain West...so ridiculous you can't help but laugh.

Hey, it's not as ridiculous as Cal and Stanford in the ACC. Both schools literally have views from their campuses of the San Francisco Bay and are only several miles away from the Pacific Ocean - and yet, they now compete in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/30/2024 10:54:17 AM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Toledo in the Mountain West...so ridiculous you can't help but laugh.

It's been suggested that they change their name to the All Coast Conference. Of course, the Big10 is still the Big10 with 18 teams. So, I guess it's all how you identify, not any actually reality.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 9/30/2024 11:11:36 AM

Pete Chouteau wrote:

Not sure where you're getting your number of $15M there, as I'm seeing the MWC schools are currently getting $6M per year. The hope is to get $12-15M for the members who left for the PAC. Per the Athletic:

The four Mountain West schools on the move see the potential for more revenue, even if it�s not at a Power 4 level. They currently receive around $6 million in television money from the Mountain West�s TV deal with Fox, CBS and TNT, a number that likely would�ve been bumped up a bit in the Mountain West�s next TV deal beginning in 2027. The reformed Pac-12 hasn�t taken its rights to market, but the schools� hope is to draw more than $10-12 million per member from a new TV deal with fewer mouths to feed (for comparison, the Big 12 and ACC distribute around $30 million per school). The league�s Pac-12 Enterprises production company has also proven to be a revenue-generator, even outside college sports. The possible introduction of performance-based revenue sharing could further reward the new league�s most successful members.

But based on your number, here's the problem: that per year value the MWC is getting is because they include the likes of San Diego State, Boise State, Colorado State and Fresno State in their TV package. That's all gone now off to the new PAC 12.

There's no way in hell you're getting between $6-10M per year with UNLV, New Mexico, San Jose State, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii and Air Force and by throwing a bone at Toledo and NIU.

Last Edited: 9/30/2024 11:12:12 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/1/2024 11:27:10 AM

UTEP to the MWC. Texas State was offered a spot but sounds like the Pac-12 also has some interest in them after getting Gonzaga to leave the WCC.

MWC now talking with FCS schools including Tarleton State. Wonder how that'll impact NIU. Their fanbase wants out of the MAC but not sure what type of Mountain West we're looking at when speaking about schools like UTEP and Tarleton State. Honestly doesn't look that great compared to the MAC or rest of G5. It'll be better but not by a huge amount. All of that TV money will be gone in a second once their current contract runs up.

Also, it feels like Toledo fans would rather stay in the MAC. That would be the smart move for them in my opinion and wait to see if other options present themselves in the future.

Last Edited: 10/1/2024 11:31:31 AM by FormerMember

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/1/2024 1:13:19 PM

MAC had better act fast if there really is interest in adding Western Kentucky.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/1/2024 1:46:21 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

Andrew Ruck wrote:

Toledo in the Mountain West...so ridiculous you can't help but laugh.

If you get a Sharpie, you can extend the Atlantic coast by drawing a line from Miami, across the Gulf, up the Rio Grande to its origin in Colorado, then across the Rockies to San Francisco.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/2/2024 3:42:52 PM

One thing I have learned through this process is that NIU fans have a greatly inflated view of their program considering no one outside of Dekalb could care less about their athletics.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/3/2024 2:05:40 PM

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One thing I have learned through this process is that NIU fans have a greatly inflated view of their program considering no one outside of Dekalb could care less about their athletics.

NIU averaged 9456 last year-second from the bottom(our friends at Akron). They don�t seem to have much of a fan base. What is the MW thinking?

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/3/2024 6:55:11 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:

FormerMember wrote:

One thing I have learned through this process is that NIU fans have a greatly inflated view of their program considering no one outside of Dekalb could care less about their athletics.

NIU averaged 9456 last year-second from the bottom(our friends at Akron). They don�t seem to have much of a fan base. What is the MW thinking?

The Mountain West thinks they can make more money by having a team in the central time zone near the Chicago market which would've made sense if tv deals were still based on the logic from the early 2000�s. They have a decent tv deal now but good luck to them when they begin negotiations without Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Colorado State and Utah State.

At this point, the MWC is just trying to survive and NIU fans want to feel wanted and part of something bigger than the MAC so they're telling themselves that this makes them relevant when in reality, it'll change very little for them.

Last Edited: 10/4/2024 12:11:37 PM by FormerMember

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/4/2024 12:52:13 PM

Gloria Nevarez is a complete and total half wit.

She will eventually run the Mountain West into the ground, and she's already in the process of doing so.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/4/2024 9:38:06 PM

I think all these changes are making it appear that the MAC could likely be picking up another 1-3 schools. Take Temple, WKU, maybe still MTSU. Wouldn�t mind UConn in Football only if we make other additions.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/5/2024 11:21:25 AM

cbarber357 wrote:

Looks to me like that would only happen we if we lose 2 schools. As folks have said MTSU made their choice before. And not likely to be a candidate again, but who knows.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/8/2024 10:59:43 AM

I haven't followed this too closely, but have either NIU or Toledo shown any interest in this offer?

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/9/2024 1:54:14 PM

O$U is defunding its men's gymnastics team, one of the last 16 varsity men's gymnastics teams in D1, for budgetary reasons. Gotta think that the extra travel to the west coast for all its sports likely has something to do with it. Any MAC school would face the same issue with latching on to the MWC.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/9/2024 2:18:35 PM

Travesty. Redeploy 0.0001 of the FB budget. No excuse for defunding these athletes given OSU's monstrous revenues.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/9/2024 9:10:23 PM

Pataskala wrote:

This is the perfect example of �never let a good crisis go to waste�.

There is no reason here other than they want to.

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RE: Mountain West looking to poach NIU/Toledo as football-only members

Posted: 10/10/2024 9:55:50 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

This is the perfect example of �never let a good crisis go to waste�.

There is no reason here other than they want to.

Flash forward in 5 years:

You are looking liiiiiiiiive at beautiful Marathon Field at Kroger Stadium where the #1 ranked Ohio State Cardinal Health Wendy's Buckeyes brought to you by Nationwide Intel are taking on the Buckee's MAGA Texas Longhorn Steakhouse.

Last Edited: 10/10/2024 9:58:05 AM by M.D.W.S.T

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Posted: 10/12/2024 3:06:34 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

This is the perfect example of �never let a good crisis go to waste�.

There is no reason here other than they want to.

We�d sell all those right too! We just don�t have any buyers

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